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Old 20th February 2018, 02:06 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Why? Is it OK they covertly steer reporting, even if nothing changed? There is no way to know whether or not anything changed since it was covert, unless you have inside info.

After the fact it showed trusting citizens the info delivery system cannot be trusted as it should.

No one including you can know whether or not that system is trustworthy, and whether or not it is still happening.
Had you bothered to read about the program the CIA didn't manipulate ALL journalists, just a few, and mostly overseas(which is their job BTW).

There are 3 kinds of propaganda:

1. Propaganda based on lies.

2. Propaganda based on perceived truth, which is based on cherry-picked facts to manipulate targeted prejudice (US Segregation Laws evolved from this).

3. Propaganda based on telling one side of the story only. In the 1930's Germany it was Jews are evil, in WWII US & UK it was the Third Reich are evil, murdering bastards, in the 1950's & 60's it was "The USSR is out to get us." or "Yankee Aggression will be the end of us all."

#1 & #2 always fall apart quickly - always. What you saw the CIA doing was #3, which was contrasting what the west was doing with what the Communist east was doing.

Knowing what is trustworthy in 2018 is as simple as stocking your Twitter feed with a variety of foreign journalists, a wide range on news papers, and just average (intelligent) people from around the globe. I get news out of Syria faster and unfiltered (which can be good and bad) from Twitter live-streams than I do the BBC, or US News outlets.

Being fooled, being a fool is a choice.

So unless you're bummed out the Soviet Union collapsed I'm not sure what you're on about.
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Old 23rd February 2018, 12:27 AM   #82
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Seen on the internet today:

H.R. 5181 (114th): Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr5181/text
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Old 23rd February 2018, 01:49 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Seen on the internet today:

H.R. 5181 (114th): Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr5181/text
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(5)the United States Government should develop a comprehensive strategy to counter foreign disinformation and propaganda and assert leadership in developing a fact-based strategic narrative; and
(6)an important element of this strategy should be to protect and promote a free, healthy, and independent press in countries vulnerable to foreign disinformation.
The published and stated intention of the US government to develop a fact-based narrative, and to encourage a free and independent press is surely the opposite of your speculation that the CIA is trying to control and manipulate the press to promote propaganda, isn't it? Is this the point you wanted to make here?
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Old 2nd March 2018, 09:03 AM   #84
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There was an item on RT recently which indicated the close connection between the CIA and FBI and Hollywood. There was a case mentioned where a writer had his career ruined and another mysteriously murdered, for trying to make a film about the Iranian contras. It's a bit like this forum when anybody says anything controversial:

http://aun-tv.com/2014/09/will-holly...p-and-the-cia/
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Old 2nd March 2018, 10:15 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There was an item on RT recently which indicated the close connection between the CIA and FBI and Hollywood. There was a case mentioned where a writer had his career ruined and another mysteriously murdered, for trying to make a film about the Iranian contras. It's a bit like this forum when anybody says anything controversial:
You're still here. Why is that, if anyone with knowledge of conspiracies is "disappearing"?

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Old 2nd March 2018, 10:46 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by HSienzant View Post
You're still here. Why is that, if anyone with knowledge of conspiracies are "disappearing"?

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pssst, pssst Henri isn't really here - he is, ah, elsewhere - nudge nudge wink wink.
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pssst, pssst Henri isn't really here - he is, ah, elsewhere - nudge nudge wink wink.
I was going to point out there were two possibilities:

(a) Either conspiracy theorists aren't getting bumped off like May files in June.
(b) Henri doesn't know as much about the conspiracy as he likes to think to be considered a threat by the conspirators.

Of course, there's also a third option, as the above two options aren't mutually exclusive.

(c) All of the above.

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Old 2nd March 2018, 03:56 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by HSienzant View Post
I was going to point out there were two possibilities:

(a) Either conspiracy theorists aren't getting bumped off like May files in June.
(b) Henri doesn't know as much about the conspiracy as he likes to think to be considered a threat by the conspirators.

Of course, there's also a third option, as the above two options aren't mutually exclusive.

(c) All of the above.

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Yeah that is always the weakness with the idea of vast evil conspiracies - the described group is usually impossible large and powerful but somehow are incapable of dealing with an individual divulging its secrets. Yet others like the KGB, Gestapo, NK government, drug gangs, Mafia, etc., are fully capable of silencing trouble makers without the slightest difficulty.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 02:18 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There was an item on RT recently which indicated the close connection between the CIA and FBI and Hollywood. There was a case mentioned where a writer had his career ruined and another mysteriously murdered, for trying to make a film about the Iranian contras. It's a bit like this forum when anybody says anything controversial:

http://aun-tv.com/2014/09/will-holly...p-and-the-cia/
Here's the condensed timeline for you:
1996: Webb publishes his series entitled 'Dark Alliance', about a supposed CIA- drug-smuggling connection. It is not censored.
The story is picked up ny numerous other media outlets, and triggers 3 federal investigations. None of this is censored. No-one is killed as a result.
1997: Following widespread criticism of the series, Webb resigns.He is not killed.
1998: Webb publishes a book about this subject. It is not censored. He is not killed.
2004: Webb commits suicide. His book, and other articles about the affair, are republished. They are not censored.
2014: A film is made about the story. The film is released, and is not censored. No-one is killed.

Looking at it this way, it would appear that the Evil Them have, instead of suppressing this story, have in fact fanned the flames of publicity and ensured a much wider audience, and a greater longevity, by not doing any of the things you claimed they did, in favour of letting Webb and his descendants live for some time after the story broke, letting them continue to publish, and allowing a Hollywood film to be made about it.

Faced with this level of incompetence, I submit we have nothing to fear from this conspiracy of cretins.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 04:19 AM   #90
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The point is that the FBI and CIA control Hollywood, and that no criticism of the FBI or CIA is allowed on penalty of death, or ruined careers. It was the same in the past if you were a communist. It's like no journalist can be employed now who thinks there was no Russian collusion, even at the BBC.

There is a bit on YouTube about this. I found the recent RT 'Watching the Hawks' interesting about this, but that does not seem to be on YouTube at the moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub9UWwEy8Yw
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Old 3rd March 2018, 06:08 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is that the FBI and CIA control Hollywood, and that no criticism of the FBI or CIA is allowed on penalty of death, or ruined careers.
That would be news to the FBI, the CIA, and Hollywood.

We'll await your evidence of these assertions, particularly naming those who were put to death for criticizing the FBI or CIA.

We all know you're just making stuff up.

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I'm not making this up. You are ill-informed. You can't get a job at the BBC, let alone Hollywood, if you don't support the Syrian opposition, or don't believe in Russian collusion. The New York Times gets awards for telling lies.

http://theduran.com/the-cia-and-deep...d-for-decades/
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Originally Posted by HSienzant View Post
That would be news to the FBI, the CIA, and Hollywood.

We'll await your evidence of these assertions, particularly naming those who were put to death for criticizing the FBI or CIA.

We all know you're just making stuff up.

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Maybe, They go full 1984 and not only kill the critics, but also erase them from memory?
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Old 3rd March 2018, 11:16 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I'm not making this up. You are ill-informed. You can't get a job at the BBC, let alone Hollywood, if you don't support the Syrian opposition, or don't believe in Russian collusion. The New York Times gets awards for telling lies.

http://theduran.com/the-cia-and-deep...d-for-decades/
Here's the problem.

Nobody in Hollywood knows where Syria is, let alone knows that there's a war going on there. When I say nobody I mean 90% of the folks you'll see on the red carpet tomorrow night at the Oscars.

The CIA doesn't control any aspect of Hollywood, just look at the movies about the CIA since 1970.

The FBI can barely control the FBI.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 11:23 AM   #95
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Here's the problem.

Nobody in Hollywood knows where Syria is, let alone knows that there's a war going on there. When I say nobody I mean 90% of the folks you'll see on the red carpet tomorrow night at the Oscars.

The CIA doesn't control any aspect of Hollywood, just look at the movies about the CIA since 1970.

The FBI can barely control the FBI.
Yeah it is interesting but from the movies I've seen the CIA is often cast as the bad guys or of questionable ethics - is that really what they do with their control of the media? Makes themselves look bad? Hmmm.

Oh my niece is involved in TV show productions AND she knows where Syria is so that makes it .001% in Hollywood do know where it actually is.

Now there are movies that show the CIA/ a CIA character in a good light but they are in my opinion in the distinct minority.

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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I'm not making this up. You are ill-informed. You can't get a job at the BBC, let alone Hollywood, if you don't support the Syrian opposition, or don't believe in Russian collusion. The New York Times gets awards for telling lies.

http://theduran.com/the-cia-and-deep...d-for-decades/
The source that feverish The Duran diatribe relies on doesn't seem to show the CIA and Hollywood connection either as damning, or as totalitarian, as you seem to want to believe.

Here is a review.

"The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television," by Tricia Jenkins
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Here's the problem.

Nobody in Hollywood knows where Syria is, let alone knows that there's a war going on there. When I say nobody I mean 90% of the folks you'll see on the red carpet tomorrow night at the Oscars.

The CIA doesn't control any aspect of Hollywood, just look at the movies about the CIA since 1970.

The FBI can barely control the FBI.
Those are hoaxes.

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Yeah it is interesting but from the movies I've seen the CIA is often cast as the bad guys or of questionable ethics - is that really what they do with their control of the media? Makes themselves look bad? Hmmm.

Oh my niece is involved in TV show productions AND she knows where Syria is so that makes it .001% in Hollywood do know where it actually is.

Now there are movies that show the CIA/ a CIA character in a good light but they are in my opinion in the distinct minority.
And that is a False Flag operation perpetrated by the MOSSAD to make teh CIA look bad.

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Originally Posted by tinribmancer View Post
Those are hoaxes.



And that is a False Flag operation perpetrated by the MOSSAD to make teh CIA look bad.

OPEN YER EYES, SHEEPLE!!11!1
There seems to be some funny goings on between Mossad and Harvey Weinstein:

http://www.hangthebankers.com/harvey...xually-abused/

I have never seen a CIA agent, or FBI agent, accused of bumping off people, or being idle and incompetent, in any Hollywood film. That's why the public simply can't believe it.
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There seems to be some funny goings on between Mossad and Harvey Weinstein:

http://www.hangthebankers.com/harvey...xually-abused/

I have never seen a CIA agent, or FBI agent, accused of bumping off people, or being idle and incompetent, in any Hollywood film. That's why the public simply can't believe it.
Oh my so you don't watch movies huh? Henri you are amazingly glued to your TV set only? So if in your sheltered life you've never seen that - well that just shows how out of touch with reality you are. As clearly demonstrated by the many amusing things you say.

Never heard of the Bourne series?

JFK?

Etc

Here's a whole list of them for you - enjoy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_in_fiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...rayal_in_media
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Oh my so you don't watch movies huh? Henri you are amazingly glued to your TV set only? So if in your sheltered life you've never seen that - well that just shows how out of touch with reality you are. As clearly demonstrated by the many amusing things you say.

Never heard of the Bourne series?

JFK?

Etc

Here's a whole list of them for you - enjoy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_in_fiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...rayal_in_media
I thought CTers saw movies and TV as some form of mind control programming done by Teh Ebil Shaduw GobmintsTM?
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Are Reptilians actually reptiles, though?
Probably, but republickers definitely are!!!! Watching last night's Star Talk which makes this quite appropriate!!!!!!
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What was the business about mobster affiliate Jack Ruby shooting and killing Harvey Oswald. Revenge or he "knew too much"? Was he just a good friend of Kennedy or something.
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What was the business about mobster affiliate Jack Ruby shooting and killing Harvey Oswald. Revenge or he "knew too much"? Was he just a good friend of Kennedy or something.
Wrong thread. Ask in the JFK thread.
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What was the business about mobster affiliate Jack Ruby shooting and killing Harvey Oswald. Revenge or he "knew too much"? Was he just a good friend of Kennedy or something.
An impulsive and insecure glory-seeker and alcoholic who was a big JFK fan and who (rightly) hated the man who had just murdered the President of the United States? Not too hard to imagine him (or many others) being a vigilante - especially with Dallas law enforcement's admittedly lax security.

If the goddamn President of the United States could overrule his Secret Service and ride in an open convertible in a major motorcade with local media announcing the motorcade's route in the paper, how tight do you think that the security of the assassin of the President (and a local cop, too) would be?

Things were a lot more lax in those days. That was 55 years ago, after all. Hindsight bias!

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An impulsive and insecure glory-seeker and alcoholic who was a big JFK fan and who (rightly) hated the man who had just murdered the President of the United States? Not too hard to imagine him (or many others) being a vigilante - especially with Dallas law enforcement's admittedly lax security.

If the goddamn President of the United States could overrule his Secret Service and ride in an open convertible in a major motorcade with local media announcing the motorcade's route in the paper, how tight do you think that the security of the assassin of the President (and a local cop, too) would be?

Things were a lot more lax in those days. That was 55 years ago, after all. Hindsight bias!
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