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Old 21st April 2012, 11:00 AM   #1
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Trayvon Case Gotcha Down? Beat Whitey!

One excuse is as good as another I guess.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news...uburb-20120420
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Maywood, Ill. - Alton L. Hayes III, a west suburban man charged with a hate crime, told police he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida that he beat up a white man early Tuesday.

Hayes and a 15-year-old Chicago boy walked up behind the 19-year-old man victim and pinned his arms to his side, police said. Hayes, 18, then picked up a large tree branch, pointed it at the man and said, “Empty your pockets, white boy.”

The two allegedly rifled through the victim’s pockets, then threw him to the ground and punched him “numerous times” in the head and back before running away, police said. Hayes and the boy are black; the victim is white.

After being arrested, Hayes told police he was upset by the Trayvon Martin case and beat the man up because he was white, Cook County State’s Attorney’s office spokeswoman Tandra Simonton said, citing court records.
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Old 21st April 2012, 11:21 AM   #2
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A fine troll post. I am sure that you will get many, many replies (at least 50 pages worth), because many JREFers are completely tone-deaf to trolling.

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Old 21st April 2012, 12:28 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Axiom_Blade View Post
A fine troll post.
Why is this trolling?
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Old 21st April 2012, 12:45 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Axiom_Blade View Post
A fine troll post. I am sure that you will get many, many replies (at least 50 pages worth), because many JREFers are completely tone-deaf to trolling.
How is it a troll post?
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:18 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Cylinder View Post
Why is this trolling?
Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
How is it a troll post?
It may not be a troll post but the title is certainly sensationalist to rile folks up.

A word to bynmdsue, aggravated assault is the most common type of violent crime in this country. Despite the apparent racial motivation, this is about as unspectacular a case you can find regarding assault or hate crime.
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:20 PM   #6
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I think bynmdsue was making fun of the excuse they gave.

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Alton L. Hayes III, a west suburban man charged with a hate crime, told police he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida that he beat up a white man early Tuesday.
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:23 PM   #7
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Right. The title would be pretty close to trolling without that element. With it, it's a fairly representative thread title.
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:40 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Cylinder View Post
Why is this trolling?
Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
How is it a troll post?
Thanks; this made me giggle.
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:43 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Axiom_Blade View Post
Thanks; this made me giggle.
I'm serious. Do you think the title misleading? Do you think the topic not worthy of discussion?
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:49 PM   #10
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Y'all somehow miss this part?
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Hayes told police he was upset by the Trayvon Martin case and beat the man up because he was white
That's the reason he gave the police! I didn't go out and pick a robbery at random and assign some bizarre motive to it, it's the criminal genius's own statement of his motivation.
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:51 PM   #11
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The topic at hand should really be - SHUT UP! Don't tell the cops something stupid that's going to pile more charges on your head. They've got you for robbery, leave it at that!
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:53 PM   #12
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That guy should definitely be punished for hate crime.
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Old 21st April 2012, 01:54 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by bynmdsue View Post
The topic at hand should really be - SHUT UP! Don't tell the cops something stupid that's going to pile more charges on your head. They've got you for robbery, leave it at that!

Yea - that'll show those stupid cops....

Wait...

Oh $#@!
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Old 21st April 2012, 02:07 PM   #14
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Eh, you can't accuse criminals of being the sharpest knives in the drawers. He's being charged with a hate crime as he should given his own statement regarding his motivations. Not much to discuss beyond his placement on worlds dumbest criminals list.
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Old 21st April 2012, 02:19 PM   #15
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There was a case of a black gun man who shot up a subway train full of people and tried to blame it on "black rage" to get a reduced sentence. Or maybe he wanted a race war. Whoi can really know.

Maybe this more recent thug thought he could pull the same crap and get away with it.
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Old 21st April 2012, 03:32 PM   #16
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I like this story on so many levels. They were made about an alleged hate crime, so they committed a random hate crime. And not only that, but it was a robbery. And since this is black on white, this acts as an example to cite for when people say "You wouldn't charge a black person..."
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Old 21st April 2012, 04:46 PM   #17
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A fine troll post. I am sure that you will get many, many replies (at least 50 pages worth), because many JREFers are completely tone-deaf to trolling.
A fine troll post, Axiom. I am sure that you will get many, many replies (at least 50 pages worth), because many JREFers are completely,... oh nvm.
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Old 21st April 2012, 05:10 PM   #18
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This isn't a troll post its news. In 1992 the same thing happened in Atlanta Ga after the Rodney incident except worse. The victim was beated and trampled on because he was white and the assailants were mad becuase of what had happened on the other side of the country. The man was left with permanent neuro damage and no arrests were ever made.

In a place called underground Atlanta so many whites were assaulted for no reason that white people quit going and it closed down. No arrests were made there either.
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Old 21st April 2012, 10:23 PM   #19
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This isn't a troll post its news. In 1992 the same thing happened in Atlanta Ga after the Rodney incident except worse. The victim was beated and trampled on because he was white and the assailants were mad becuase of what had happened on the other side of the country. The man was left with permanent neuro damage and no arrests were ever made.

In a place called underground Atlanta so many whites were assaulted for no reason that white people quit going and it closed down. No arrests were made there either.
That's unfortunate (though I quit going there after much of the counterculture dropped further out and underground comics.etc. pretty much walked). It was a fun place at the time!!
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Kind of like the white guy that murdered a Sikh after 9/11 because the murderer blamed "Towel Heads" for the attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_...ir_Singh_Sodhi
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
This isn't a troll post its news. In 1992 the same thing happened in Atlanta Ga after the Rodney incident except worse. The victim was beated and trampled on because he was white and the assailants were mad becuase of what had happened on the other side of the country. The man was left with permanent neuro damage and no arrests were ever made.

In a place called underground Atlanta so many whites were assaulted for no reason that white people quit going and it closed down. No arrests were made there either.
Piedmont was impassable after the Rodney King thing.

Atlanta is depressingly racist. This is probably why I'm moving there in a couple of weeks to try to make a baby with a Black girlfriend. Anything for a weird life.
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Where were Bernard Goetz and G Zimmerman when you need them?
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Kind of like the white guy that murdered a Sikh after 9/11 because the murderer blamed "Towel Heads" for the attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_...ir_Singh_Sodhi
I would say very much like that. No race is immuned to that kind of targeting. It's sad but something I never noticed until I read it in a book; now it seems to ring so true to me. Every group is defined by their worst members. Hopefully, the majority of us can rise above it. Two black guys targeting a white guy and harming him because of a completely unrelated event does not define the state of mind of all black people; the same way a white guy murdering a Sikh because of Islamaphobia does not define the state of mind of all white people.
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I would say very much like that. No race is immuned to that kind of targeting. It's sad but something I never noticed until I read it in a book; now it seems to ring so true to me. Every group is defined by their worst members. Hopefully, the majority of us can rise above it. Two black guys targeting a white guy and harming him because of a completely unrelated event does not define the state of mind of all black people; the same way a white guy murdering a Sikh because of Islamaphobia does not define the state of mind of all white people.
Exactly.

But individuals continue to use the worst case behaviors of individuals to define groups.

It's a touchstone amongst conservatives that (fill in the blank) are lazy, criminally inclined, hostile to any conservative thought, and are immune from prosecution to boot.

At the same time, there are liberals who will assert with a straight face that (fill in the blank) are greedy, violent, selfish, hostile to any liberal thought, and since they control everything, are immune from prosecution.

I find myself in hot water when I tell people that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore are two sides of the same coin.

Having said that, there are differences in how white on black racist motivated crimes are discussed and portrayed in the media and how black on white racist motivated crimes are reported - one is quite rightly condemmed where the other is glossed over or ignored.
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[quote=BStrong;8222072]Exactly.

But individuals continue to use the worst case behaviors of individuals to define groups.

It's a touchstone amongst conservatives that (fill in the blank) are lazy, criminally inclined, hostile to any conservative thought, and 1) are immune from prosecution to boot.

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I find myself in hot water when I tell people that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore are two sides of the same coin.
Liberals don't like unpleasant facts.

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Having said that, there are differences in how white on black racist motivated crimes are discussed and portrayed in the media and how black on white racist motivated crimes are reported - one is quite rightly condemmed where the other is glossed over or ignored.
Too much Black on white to be newsworthy.

Re 1): No, just that too many too often use jail/prison time to become more violent and sociopathic felons.
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That guy should definitely be punished for hate crime.
And he is. So, I guess the system worked in this case.

He probably would have been better off if he had just said he wanted to rob the man, but that doesn't explain why they beat him up even after they took his wallet.
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Liberals don't like unpleasant facts.
Whereas conservatives relish them. Bathe in them daily.
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In a place called underground Atlanta so many whites were assaulted for no reason that white people quit going and it closed down. No arrests were made there either.
OT: That's sad. I really enjoyed it when I was there. Is it still closed? If so, any possibility of a resurrection? Although that word is probably not the best to use for an underground facility.
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I find myself in hot water when I tell people that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore are two sides of the same coin.
I refer to Noam Limbaugh and Rush Chomsky and similarly get into trouble. I have a hard time telling them apart. One is fat and a linguist, and the other is skinny and old. Or is it the other way around? Which one plays golf at MIT?

At least Canadian Bacon is funny and somewhat redeems Moore.
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Wait, I want to know what straw reaction I was supposed to give?
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Kind of like the white guy that murdered a Sikh after 9/11 because the murderer blamed "Towel Heads" for the attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_...ir_Singh_Sodhi
Yes,

That one was extra noteworthy as the victim was from a different country, religion and ethnicity than the perpetrator was biased against.

Real genius, there.
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I would say very much like that. No race is immuned to that kind of targeting. It's sad but something I never noticed until I read it in a book; now it seems to ring so true to me. Every group is defined by their worst members. Hopefully, the majority of us can rise above it. Two black guys targeting a white guy and harming him because of a completely unrelated event does not define the state of mind of all black people; the same way a white guy murdering a Sikh because of Islamaphobia does not define the state of mind of all white people.
So true. No doubt much of it can be attributed to in-group out-group bias, though it does seem whites have the benefit of what I call multi-tiered stereotypes (i.e. uncouth poor, wholesome middleclass, and snooty uperclass) while other groups can be viewed more monolithically by their unsavory members. Just an observation.


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Exactly.

But individuals continue to use the worst case behaviors of individuals to define groups.

It's a touchstone amongst conservatives that (fill in the blank) are lazy, criminally inclined, hostile to any conservative thought, and are immune from prosecution to boot.

At the same time, there are liberals who will assert with a straight face that (fill in the blank) are greedy, violent, selfish, hostile to any liberal thought, and since they control everything, are immune from prosecution.

I find myself in hot water when I tell people that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore are two sides of the same coin.

Having said that, there are differences in how white on black racist motivated crimes are discussed and portrayed in the media and how black on white racist motivated crimes are reported - one is quite rightly condemmed where the other is glossed over or ignored.
Both may participate in partisan hackery but I assure you Rush Limbaugh takes the cake when it comes to obnoxious, acid spewing vitriol.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
This isn't a troll post its news.
Maybe the OP... but not the below....

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Why are you passing off easily refuted urban legend for fact? Underground is not closed and did not close down after the post-King-verdict riots (which afflicted serious damages and losses). The place has been a white elephant for thirty-five years. It only had a five or six year run when it was profitable and successful. But it's still there and arguably while there were obviously damages due to the riots, it wasn't making money before that and continued to not make money after. Unfortunately the merchants and tenants in the complex seem to be relying too much on Atlanta gov't largesse. There has to be a way to make an area that attracts over five million visitors a year into a success. Either the city/developers are charging too much for the real estate or they've just got a whole bunch of retailers who are clueless.
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Aggravated assault is the most common type of violent crime in this country.
Perhaps you are using some unduly restrictive definition of "violent crime", but in my experience simple assault (i.e. assault without a deadly weapon or serious bodily injury) is much more common than aggravated assault.
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Kind of like the white guy that murdered a Sikh after 9/11 because the murderer blamed "Towel Heads" for the attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_...ir_Singh_Sodhi
Yeah. It's a little known fact that there were four similarly motivated revenge killings by Christians of various brownish people in the US since the day after 9/11, and one was of an actual Muslim. Plus, of course, a Sikh, a Copt, and a non-Copt Egyptian Christian.

Also, of course, a minimum of 35 similarly or complementarily motivated revenge killings by Muslims during the same period of time.
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So true. No doubt much of it can be attributed to in-group out-group bias, though it does seem whites have the benefit of what I call multi-tiered stereotypes (i.e. uncouth poor, wholesome middleclass, and snooty uperclass) while other groups can be viewed more monolithically by their unsavory members. Just an observation.
Comes from being so numerous, I guess. We have to specialize.

I'm really disappointed about the paucity of good names for white people. White trash? Cracker? Honkey? Gray? Ofay? These are pretty laughable. At least Jews have some good ones.
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Ah, the Race War's theme music.
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Perhaps you are using some unduly restrictive definition of "violent crime", but in my experience simple assault (i.e. assault without a deadly weapon or serious bodily injury) is much more common than aggravated assault.
You're right. I was using assault as defined by the FBI statistics and aggravated assault is the only assault category they use in their stats.
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