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Old 19th November 2022, 05:14 PM   #1521
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Originally Posted by Random View Post
Yeah, it's like when the batter swings at three pitches, misses all of them, has the umpire call him out, and the batter decides to advance to first base anyway. It's a clever tactic...
And the umpires are all partisan and they not only allow the batter to go to first, they instruct the official scorer not to record the strikeout as an out. It's clever, sportsmanship is stupid.

The problem with the Republican 'strategy' -- and this is no game -- is our laws, our system is predicated on people believing in our shared core values. The rule of law, majority wins, etc. The Republicans appear to be committed to taking power anyway they can. Our laws were not crafted for political parties that are committed, not to democracy, but only to gaining and holding power.

Decency, fairness, community, mutual respect. None of that matters. The only thing that matters is winning. Our system was not set up to deal with that kind of thinking. It's unAmerican.
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Old 21st November 2022, 10:48 AM   #1522
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Once again, this just shows how out of touch Dems are. This woman is quite zany...some might say crazy...but voters hate Dems so much they elected her again. But no, Dems...keep doing what you are doing and alienating voters.

I love it.
It's telling that if a Dem loses, they are out of touch. But when a Republican loses an election it's not because the Republican is out of touch...
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Old 21st November 2022, 10:51 AM   #1523
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If the recount shows that Bubba-rt lost, she'll use that as more evidence of the system being rigged.
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Old 21st November 2022, 11:41 AM   #1524
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Yeah, it's like when the batter swings at three pitches, misses all of them, has the umpire call him out, and the batter decides to advance to first base anyway. It's a clever tactic...
It's possible on a dropped third strike. The batter swings and misses, but the ball gets past the catcher. The batter then becomes a runner racing to beat the throw to first. Rare, but entertaining when it happens, and isn't that what we want from our elections?
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Old 23rd November 2022, 12:13 AM   #1525
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This one is not actually a serious bit of stupidity. It is a mildly amusing mistake, though.

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Walker: This erection is about the people
Given Walker's history, it may feel a bit more like a Freudian slip, of course.
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Old 23rd November 2022, 02:27 AM   #1526
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
This one is not actually a serious bit of stupidity. It is a mildly amusing mistake, though.



Given Walker's history, it may feel a bit more like a Freudian slip, of course.
Watch Cruz's and Graham's faces closely at the point where Walker says "erection". The didn't miss it but Cruz just keeps on nodding like a bobble-head and Graham looks at him.
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Some PR flack can't keep the accounts straight. This is on Texas senator John Cornyn's Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/statu...58007644721152

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The Lord bless thee, and keep thee: The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

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Old 26th November 2022, 03:51 PM   #1528
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Some PR flack can't keep the accounts straight. This is on Texas senator John Cornyn's Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/statu...58007644721152

Jesus' response





(image of Jesus flipping the bird)
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Old 26th November 2022, 08:01 PM   #1529
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I wonder when was the last time "Heidi and Ted" actually went to church.
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Old 26th November 2022, 11:26 PM   #1530
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It's possible on a dropped third strike. The batter swings and misses, but the ball gets past the catcher. The batter then becomes a runner racing to beat the throw to first. Rare, but entertaining when it happens, and isn't that what we want from our elections?
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If the pitch is called as a strike, isn't the ball then dead? What you described sounds like the third strike was not actually called and the play continued.

Asking as a non-US baseball noob.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
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If the pitch is called as a strike, isn't the ball then dead? What you described sounds like the third strike was not actually called and the play continued.

Asking as a non-US baseball noob.
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No. A dropped third strike allows the batter to try to advance.

In general, play is not dead based on the call at the plate. For example, a base can be stolen on a third strike as well. A player has to ask for "time" to be called.
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Old 27th November 2022, 10:01 PM   #1532
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No. A dropped third strike allows the batter to try to advance.

In general, play is not dead based on the call at the plate. For example, a base can be stolen on a third strike as well. A player has to ask for "time" to be called.
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Worker pleads guilty in Colorado election equipment tampering case...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-...IvuwOwlm6aLFK4
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Old 1st December 2022, 07:34 PM   #1534
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Worker pleads guilty in Colorado election equipment tampering case...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-...IvuwOwlm6aLFK4
How ironic that the illegal activity associated with the 2020 election is coming from the GOP/right and not the Dems.
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How ironic that the illegal activity associated with the 2020 election is coming from the GOP/right and not the Dems.
GOP rallying cry: NOW LOOK WHAT THE DEMS MADE US DO!
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GOP rallying cry: NOW LOOK WHAT THE DEMS MADE US DO!
Sounds like a longstanding standard Warped opinion for right-wingers.
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Sounds like a longstanding standard Warped opinion for right-wingers.
I see what you did there....
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Worker pleads guilty in Colorado election equipment tampering case...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-...IvuwOwlm6aLFK4
It just shows how fundamentally trustworthy the GOP is, their (and Trump's) crimes are easily discovered showing that they're not very good at criming.

The Democrats' OTOH prove impossible to find which means they must be expert at committing them.
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It just shows how fundamentally trustworthy the GOP is, their (and Trump's) crimes are easily discovered showing that they're not very good at criming.

The Democrats' OTOH prove impossible to find which means they must be expert at committing them.
That is kind of a necessary part of the CT mindset that the GOP seems to have adopted as policy, though- seeing the conspiracy as such a given that it's not possible, or even needful, to show evidence for it. "Voter Fraud" is like god- it's not an effect separable from the entity that produces it, it just is.
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
That is kind of a necessary part of the CT mindset that the GOP seems to have adopted as policy, though- seeing the conspiracy as such a given that it's not possible, or even needful, to show evidence for it. "Voter Fraud" is like god- it's not an effect separable from the entity that produces it, it just is.
Maybe so, but some judges aren't having it.

Lake and Finchem's lawyers are getting sanctioned for "furthering a false narrative" after the judge threw out their lawsuit.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...s/69693664007/
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Madison Cawthorn gives his final speech on the House floor, and yes, it's bat **** crazy.

Madison Cawthorn: Young Men Should Be “Punched in the Face” for Doing Stupid Things

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On Wednesday, outgoing North Carolina Rep. Madison Cawthorn made a bizarre final speech on the House floor, jamming at least eight alpha male podcasts worth of toxic masculinity into a minute and 22 seconds.

“It used to be a rite of passage in this country for young men to be punched in the face when they did something stupid,” Cawthorn said at the top of his remarks. “Our nation used to believe that there was strength and purpose in taking the hits, learning from your mistakes, and growing through the adversity.”

According to Cawthorn, Americans are facing the consequences of a “participation trophy society.” The “nanny state” now controls the once mighty United States. People who identify as “soft metrosexual” are more valuable. The speech was something of a trademark swan song for the North Carolina congressman, who after months of embarrassing self-inflicted scandals, including tossing around claims about sex parties and lawmakers doing cocaine, lost a primary challenge in May.

So the question arises: Does Cawthorn identify as one of the young men in this country who should be physically assaulted for doing something stupid? Based on this list, it sure might seem so.
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Madison Cawthorn gives his final speech on the House floor, and yes, it's bat **** crazy.

Madison Cawthorn: Young Men Should Be “Punched in the Face” for Doing Stupid Things



I suspect Cawthorn's punch is similar to the now fashionable pseudo-admission. You know, when you're caught doing something really awful and can't lie your way out of it, you say "I take full responsibility," and this in its turn is the price you pay after which everyone is expected to forget about it and let you get back to business. I imagine Cawthorn's punch is like that, and he laments that he was so unfairly punished as to lose his bid for re-election.

Or, of course, one can also see it as a sort of parallel of the pouting kid who departs with "you'll be sorry, just wait and see...."
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Madison Cawthorn gives his final speech on the House floor, and yes, it's bat **** crazy.

Madison Cawthorn: Young Men Should Be “Punched in the Face” for Doing Stupid Things
Desperately seeking relevance...and AGAIN failing abysmally.

Mind you, he is just following in Trump's footsteps, what with all his 9-11 claims and constant self-inflation, etc., etc. If only the GOP had treated Trump the same way they are treating Cawthorne - scorn and dismissal.
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It doesn't sound like cheating to me. It sounds like taking full advantage of the rules as they stand. As they say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game".

If you can get away with it under current law, without penalty...there is no reason to act otherwise if it gives you a political advantage, imo. It certainly doesn't sound like "stupidity from GOP politicians".

It sounds smart.
Doesn't that undermine any arguments you make about using the outcome as a gauge of merit? If it's about knowing what you can get away with, that's nothing to do with whether the party is "out of touch" or has better or worse policies.
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Madison Cawthorn gives his final speech on the House floor, and yes, it's bat **** crazy.

Madison Cawthorn: Young Men Should Be “Punched in the Face” for Doing Stupid Things



Giving that speech was a stupid thing. Any volunteers to punch him in the face?
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Doesn't that undermine any arguments you make about using the outcome as a gauge of merit? If it's about knowing what you can get away with, that's nothing to do with whether the party is "out of touch" or has better or worse policies.
So cheating in golf, and business, and in politics is all just fine...if you can get away with it. Gotcha. Honesty is DEFINITELY NOT the best policy, then.
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So cheating in golf, and business, and in politics is all just fine...if you can get away with it. Gotcha. Honesty is DEFINITELY NOT the best policy, then.
I think the argument from some quarters (too many these days) is just that: honesty is not the best policy if you lose. Winning is the one goal, even if to do so you end up being a proxy for what you oppose.

A lost cause is empty except when you can find someone else to blame for your own.
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I think the argument from some quarters (too many these days) is just that: honesty is not the best policy if you lose. Winning is the one goal, even if to do so you end up being a proxy for what you oppose.

A lost cause is empty except when you can find someone else to blame for your own.

The funny part is that some really think that lying, cheating, and manipulation are confined to only one political party. I mean, it is preposterous.

I say, if you have to be in that arena, be the best at it.
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The funny part is that some really think that lying, cheating, and manipulation are confined to only one political party. I mean, it is preposterous.

I say, if you have to be in that arena, be the best at it.
False equivalence. On one side you have industrial scale cheating baked into the party's core (what passes for) values. On the other, you have artisanal cheating with the sort of shonky results you'd expect.
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The funny part is that some really think that lying, cheating, and manipulation are confined to only one political party. I mean, it is preposterous.

I say, if you have to be in that arena, be the best at it.
So, as a voter, you believe that you should deliberately vote for the candidate who is the best at lying, cheating, and manipulating?
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So, as a voter, you believe that you should deliberately vote for the candidate who is the best at lying, cheating, and manipulating?

I believe they are all fair tactics in politics, and I am not automatically rejecting a candidate because they have been caught or suspected of doing one or another. If we could only vote for non-lying, cheating, or manipulative candidates, the field would be pretty slim.

That scales up to overall party tactics as well.
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So, as a voter, you believe that you should deliberately vote for the candidate who is the best at lying, cheating, and manipulating?

I believe they are all fair tactics in politics, and I am not automatically rejecting a candidate because they have been caught or suspected of doing one or another. If we could only vote for non-lying, cheating, or manipulative candidates, the field would be pretty slim.

That scales up to overall party tactics as well.
I'll take that as a "Yes", you will vote for the worst, most corrupt cheats because that's what makes them worthy winners.
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I'll take that as a "Yes", you will vote for the worst, most corrupt cheats because that's what makes them worthy winners.
Scale that up to who the Republican Party now selects as candidates and you may well be on to something. Pretty much everyone's a liar to some degree, of course, and Democrats are no exception. In times past, the political lying was a bit closer to even in percentage (if not necessarily quality), at last check. Now? Especially since Trump, it's not even close. With that said, there's long been an honesty issue for both parties when it comes to voters deeming party line lies as acceptable (because it demonstrates loyalty, likely). It's just that, at this point, it feels like the Republican party propaganda effectively has NOTHING besides lies, deceit, and horrible things that people deceive themselves into thinking are lies (because they're brazen liars anyways). That's not to try to dehumanize Republicans, of course. Plenty of Republicans are amazing people in other aspects and the US would be far lesser without them. The harmful political narratives that rest on BS are a definite negative, though.
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It doesn't sound like cheating to me. It sounds like taking full advantage of the rules as they stand. As they say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game".

If you can get away with it under current law, without penalty...there is no reason to act otherwise if it gives you a political advantage, imo. It certainly doesn't sound like "stupidity from GOP politicians".

It sounds smart.
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The funny part is that some really think that lying, cheating, and manipulation are confined to only one political party. I mean, it is preposterous.

I say, if you have to be in that arena, be the best at it.
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I believe they are all fair tactics in politics, and I am not automatically rejecting a candidate because they have been caught or suspected of doing one or another. If we could only vote for non-lying, cheating, or manipulative candidates, the field would be pretty slim.

That scales up to overall party tactics as well.
Come on, Warp, give me a break. I just brought a couple of new irony meters via amazon and you have broken them both already!

Lying and cheating by politicians is exactly the sort of thing that ruins the people's faith in government. Such behavior is exactly the sort of thing you try to pin on liberals and Democrats. Now you're telling us such behavior is perfectly okay!

Wait. . .it's the door bell. . .I got another delivery.. .more irony meters. . .
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Madison Cawthorn gives his final speech on the House floor, and yes, it's bat **** crazy.

Madison Cawthorn: Young Men Should Be “Punched in the Face” for Doing Stupid Things



I admit, I would love too Cawthorn get punched in the face.
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Giving that speech was a stupid thing. Any volunteers to punch him in the face?
Probably a long line for that....
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Come on, Warp, give me a break. I just brought a couple of new irony meters via amazon and you have broken them both already!

Lying and cheating by politicians is exactly the sort of thing that ruins the people's faith in government. Such behavior is exactly the sort of thing you try to pin on liberals and Democrats. Now you're telling us such behavior is perfectly okay!

Wait. . .it's the door bell. . .I got another delivery.. .more irony meters. . .

Huh?

Both parties do it. Although one would never guess so around here. But this is the thread where we only talk about the GOP doing it, and other things, I suppose. Which is fine; I'm not bringing up any examples from another party.
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Madison Cawthorn gives his final speech on the House floor, and yes, it's bat **** crazy.

Madison Cawthorn: Young Men Should Be “Punched in the Face” for Doing Stupid Things




What a ridiculously stupid article. I guess nobody there has ever heard of a metaphor.

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“It used to be a rite of passage in this country for young men to be punched in the face when they did something stupid,” Cawthorn said at the top of his remarks. “Our nation used to believe that there was strength and purpose in taking the hits, learning from your mistakes, and growing through the adversity.
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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
Come on, Warp, give me a break. I just brought a couple of new irony meters via amazon and you have broken them both already!

Lying and cheating by politicians is exactly the sort of thing that ruins the people's faith in government. Such behavior is exactly the sort of thing you try to pin on liberals and Democrats. Now you're telling us such behavior is perfectly okay!

Wait. . .it's the door bell. . .I got another delivery.. .more irony meters. . .
Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Huh?

Both parties do it. Although one would never guess so around here. But this is the thread where we only talk about the GOP doing it, and other things, I suppose. Which is fine; I'm not bringing up any examples from another party.
Well, dang ole son! I just hooked up the new irony meter and the smoke started coming out of the sides!

You just told us yet again that lying and cheating is okay as long as everybody does it.

So what's the problem with Democrats lying, as you allege?

Okay. . .I am hooking anther irony meter up. . .don't break it. . .
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So what's the problem with Democrats lying, as you allege?

You should have seen by now, that I have actively suggested that they become better at it, and other dirty tactics, lol. Instead of lamenting the GOP, they should learn from it.

It isn't "stupid"; it's smart politics!
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