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Old 3rd November 2022, 08:08 PM   #1841
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Re: Trump's Florida lawsuit attempting to interfere with the NY case...
Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
It seems like a pretty ill-advised lawsuit, which could have unintended (from Trump's standpoint) consequences by potentially exposing more of Trump's business records (as well as making his lawyers vulnerable to sanctions for filing a frivolous lawsuit). And, in fact, according to the NY Times there were arguments between factions of Trump lawyers over whether to file the suit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/03/n...y-general.html
Another article (not behind a paywall) that makes similar claims...

From: Rolling Stone
...Trump’s own legal team attempted to block the suit, calling it frivolous, and even warning that it borders on malpractice....allegedly expressed concern that the suit would undermine their defense in the New York trial... the Trump Organization’s general counsel lambasted Trump adviser Boris Epshteyn, the alleged brains behind the suit...(lawyer) Gerald Greenberg... told the Times that the suit appeared to be “objectively frivolous.” “I’m aware of no authority that allows a state court in Florida to enjoin or otherwise interfere with a law enforcement investigation being conducted by New York state authorities”...The tone of the Florida filing apparently matches the argument being made in New York’s courtrooms. In court on Thursday, Justice Engoron allegedly described team Trump’s arguments against James’ request as being comprised mostly of hot air.

So we have Trump overriding the advice of his lawyers to launch a poorly worded lawsuit that probably can't legally be enacted anyways and can actually cause his lawyers to get in trouble.

I hope his lawyers all got massive retainers before they took Trump on as a client to compensate them for their massive headache.. No, on second thought... I hope they all decided to work purely on contingency, since they were dumb enough to want to represent a racist con-artist who has a history of screwing over people.

ETA: Trump must be thinking that the case can somehow be assigned to Judge Cannon, probably his only hope in the matter.
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Old 3rd November 2022, 09:11 PM   #1842
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You can just hear the shouting in Mar-a-Lago: I DON'T CARE HOW STUPID YOU THINK IT IS! JUST GET THEM OFF MY BACK WHILE I GOLF AND GRIFT! DO I HAVE TO DO ALL THE WORK FOR YOU??!
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Old 4th November 2022, 12:19 AM   #1843
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But it's a great lawsuit. Fantastic. A good friend, who's a lawyer, one of the best...went to Harvard...not as good as MIT where my uncle, smart man...some say genius...taught. You probably don't know that. He said, "Sir, it's a fantastic lawsuit...like you've ever seen before." I think so and no one knows lawsuits like I know lawsuits. I know more about lawsuits than any lawyers because I'm, like, smart. Really smart. So, yeah, it's a great lawsuit.
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Old 18th November 2022, 07:01 PM   #1844
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The tax fraud case against the Trump organization just went through another week of testimony... they have been hearing from former CFO Allen Weisselberg.

To be honest, I'm not really sure how its been going.

On one hand, Weisselberg seems to be doing everything he can to absolve Trump, his family and company of any wrong doing...

From: Politico
Allen Weisselberg, a longtime top executive at the Trump Organization, took the stand for his second day of testimony...“We were going through an entire clean up process to make sure that since Mr. Trump was now president, that everything was done properly”.... a defense lawyer for the Trump Organization sought to establish that Weisselberg carried out the scheme for his own benefit, unbeknownst to the Trump family. “It was my own personal greed that led to this,” Weisselberg said....“No one gave you permission to commit tax fraud, right?” the defense attorney went on. Weisselberg said that was correct.

On the other hand, he seems to be tying them (and others) into his fraud...

From: CTV News
Allen Weisselberg... testified that Eric Trump raised his pay US$200,000 after an internal audit spurred by Trump's 2016 election found that he'd been reducing his salary and bonuses by the cost of the perks...The company continues to pay Weisselberg... Weisselberg testified that Eric and Donald Trump Jr., both Trump Organization executive vice presidents, knew from the audit that Weisselberg had not reported his apartment as taxable income, as required by law...Other executives accused of scheming to avoid taxes also kept their jobs and pay, Weisselberg said. They include his son, former Central Park ice rink manager Barry Weisselberg, and the company's chief operating officer, Matthew Calamari Sr.... Weisselberg's testimony Friday suggests that key Trump Organization executives -- members of Trump's family -- condoned his behavior

So on one hand, he is trying to take the blame for himself, but his testimony also suggests that the Trump family was complicit.
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Old 19th November 2022, 01:36 AM   #1845
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Trump signed his paychecks. He knew exactly what was going on.

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Weisselberg said Donald Trump, or at times Eric Trump or Donald Trump Jr., signed checks to pay up to $100,000 for private school tuition for Weisselberg's grandchildren. Weisselberg said he then instructed the company's controller to deduct the $100,000 from his salary, allowing him to report a smaller income. Copies of some of the checks signed by the Trumps have been shown in court.

Weisselberg said the first time Trump signed a tuition check, Weisselberg told him, "Don't forget, I'm going to pay you back for this." The payback, he said, was the salary reduction.
Only a fool would think the Trumps didn't understand that Weisselberg would then claim a smaller income. That makes all of them complicit.
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Old 19th November 2022, 03:35 AM   #1846
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More than anything, the case against the Trump Org. is a testament to the willful blindness of tax agencies and prosecutors to investigate the seemingly rich & powerful.
The State would make billions and improve markets tremendously if it just spend a few extra millions going after Fraud.
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Old 19th November 2022, 05:48 AM   #1847
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
More than anything, the case against the Trump Org. is a testament to the willful blindness of tax agencies and prosecutors to investigate the seemingly rich & powerful.
The State would make billions and improve markets tremendously if it just spend a few extra millions going after Fraud.
I believe that was built in to the inflation reduction act... Funding to hire additional IRS auditors to collect money from wealthy "tax cheats". This will help offset some of the additional spending.

Of course certain Republicans are saying they will fire them all, telling the Republican base "they're coming after YOU".

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It's also part of the DNA of Manhattan, where there seems to be an institutional Blind Eye when it comes to NY Real Estate Bigwigs defrauding foreigners.
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Old 19th November 2022, 06:07 AM   #1849
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Trump signed his paychecks. He knew exactly what was going on.



Only a fool would think the Trumps didn't understand that Weisselberg would then claim a smaller income. That makes all of them complicit.
And if Trump didn't know that shows a failure to control his business. That doesn't get you free pass.
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Old 19th November 2022, 06:39 AM   #1850
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Trump signed his paychecks. He knew exactly what was going on.

Only a fool would think the Trumps didn't understand that Weisselberg would then claim a smaller income. That makes all of them complicit.
The whole "he is president so we are going to audit the company to make sure things are done right" should have been a big tip-off.

Either they knew they were engaged in fraud before and wanted to clean it up for appearances, or they didn't know, but should have been told by the auditors "you need to pay back taxes "


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Old 20th November 2022, 12:08 AM   #1851
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
The whole "he is president so we are going to audit the company to make sure things are done right" should have been a big tip-off.

Either they knew they were engaged in fraud before and wanted to clean it up for appearances, or they didn't know, but should have been told by the auditors "you need to pay back taxes "
Exactly. A company doesn't have to 'clean up' if it isn't dirty in the first place.

“We were going through an entire cleanup process of the company to make sure that, since Mr. Trump is now president, that everything was being done properly,” Weisselberg testified. "

Weisselberg is lying.
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Old 21st November 2022, 06:07 PM   #1852
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Another surprise...

From: Yahoo News
Under the new district attorney, Alvin Bragg, the prosecutors have returned to the long-running investigation's original focus: a hush-money payment to a porn star who said she had an affair with Trump....Michael Cohe... paid the money during the final days of the 2016 campaign...Federal prosecutors, concluding that the payment amounted to an illegal campaign contribution, extracted a guilty plea from Cohen, who said that he was following orders from Trump. Trump and his company reimbursed Cohen for the $130,000, further raising questions about their involvement in the hush-money deal.

Apparently this investigation has been given a nickname of 'Zombie' because it occasionally get resurrected but then never acted on. I'm not sure if anyone really knows why there is the renewed interest. (Given the fact that Cohen went to jail for it, and they have documents showing he was reimbursed by Trump, it seems like something that could have been prosecuted but never was.)
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Old 22nd November 2022, 05:35 AM   #1853
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How likely is a case against Trump where he has to show up to court to happen before 2024 election? And a jury? Who would agree to be in it. I would not. During jury selection I would blurt out "Trump is guilty."
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Old 22nd November 2022, 07:35 AM   #1854
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How likely is a case against Trump where he has to show up to court to happen before 2024 election? And a jury? Who would agree to be in it. I would not. During jury selection I would blurt out "Trump is guilty."
IMO it's all theatre. For sure the Democrats would very much like Donald Trump to be charged but I think they realise that, unfortunately, it's impossible because the GOP is now 100% behind him.

Instead they are concentrating on being seen to be doing something to bring him to justice.
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How likely is a case against Trump where he has to show up to court to happen before 2024 election?
I would say probably 80% chance he is indicted within half a year, and maybe a 50% chance he is actually in court before the 2024 election.

The most likely case he will be indicted on is the classified documents case. It is the most clear-cut, the investigation is probably furthest along, and its easiest easiest to convict. Plus, they have appointed a special prosecutor in the case, and it appears he is an aggressive, efficient "take no guff" type. The other cases (the Jan 6 terrorist attacks, Georgia election fraud, or whatever comes out of NY) are either more complex (bringing up issues of "free speech", "executive privilege", etc.), or their investigations are slower or not as far along. (For example, prosecutors may want to wait until the Jan6 select committee is done before deciding what to do.)

Now I only said that there was an 80% chance of getting indicted within the next half year. I think the chance of him indicted over it is actually higher, but there is a chance they may try to merge the documents case and the Jan6 case into one trial, which would delay things. (Trump would still be indicted, just not as quickly in that case.)

As for being in from of a judge/jury, I gave only a 50% chance of that happening before the 2024 election. I think it will happen, its just that there is a chance Trump might be able to forum-shop to find another friendly judge to allow him to delay again.
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And a jury? Who would agree to be in it. I would not. During jury selection I would blurt out "Trump is guilty."
I suspect they will attempt to try the case in Washington D.C., where the theft occurred. Washington is heavily pro-democrat.

I suspect they will have the same issue as they had as in the NY tax fraud case.... lots of jurists saying they don't like Trump, but the judge still deciding they would still be able to provide an unbiased determination of guilt/innocence.
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Thanks. There is some detail on that jury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...nization#Trial
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Old 23rd November 2022, 04:25 AM   #1857
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So the NY fraud lawsuit has a tentative court date of October 2023.

From: The Hill
...Judge Arthur Engoron set an Oct. 2, 2023, trial date in New York for Attorney General Letitia James’s lawsuit against Trump, his three adult children and the Trump Organization. James filed suit against Trump in September, following a three-year investigation into whether he and his company manipulated property values to obtain investments and tax and loan benefits.

(Trump's lawyers initially said Trump himself would testify, but they have apparently taken back that claim.)

This is my second favorite Trump legal problem (after the classified documents case). Unfortunately no personal criminal charges are on the line (so Trump won't go to jail for it), but it could really damage his finances (as well as his reputation, well, what little reputation he has left.)
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Wait for the cover-up: criminal charges are still possible.
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Wait for the cover-up: criminal charges are still possible.
In theory yes, criminal charges are possible.

Unfortunately Bragg seems to be rather... hesitant about any such action. (Remember events from several months ago, when Vance resigned and Bragg took over... since then, investigations into Trump seem to have stalled and several prosecutors working the case have resigned or made statements complaining that they had enough to proceed but weren't allowed to.)
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In theory yes, criminal charges are possible.

Unfortunately Bragg seems to be rather... hesitant about any such action. (Remember events from several months ago, when Vance resigned and Bragg took over... since then, investigations into Trump seem to have stalled and several prosecutors working the case have resigned or made statements complaining that they had enough to proceed but weren't allowed to.)
Maybe it'll take a woman to have the balls to see it through this time.
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Maybe it'll take a woman to have the balls to see it through this time.
Hence the recent revival of putting women back a century, into the kitchen and maternity ward.
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Hence the recent revival of putting women back a century, into the kitchen and maternity ward.
A maternity ward where they can get pain control and not made to suffer for Eve's disobedience as God decreed in Genesis 3:16: “I will make your pangs in childbirth exceedingly great; in pain you shall bring forth children"?

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A maternity ward where they can get pain control and not made to suffer for Eve's disobedience as God decreed in Genesis 3:16: “I will make your pangs in childbirth exceedingly great; in pain you shall bring forth children"?

Blasphemer!

God is clearly a Republican
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Hence the recent revival of putting women back a century, into the kitchen and maternity ward.
Maternity ward? They should just give birth and die in the same bed they got screwed in!
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God is clearly a Republican
That's why I'm an atheist!
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Hmmm... there is a tiny little glimmer of hope that maybe criminal charges against Trump might be possible in New York:

From: ABC News
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg announced Monday that his office has hired former Justice Department official Matthew Colangelo as senior counsel....he was part of the team that investigated the Trump Foundation...

Unfortunately he wasn't hired to focus on Trump's various financial crimes, but maybe he might end up investigating some of it.
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