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Old 8th April 2021, 10:46 PM   #1
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Hunter Biden Interview on Jimmy Kimmel

This was very interesting. Here's the guy in the flesh that we've mostly only heard soundbites about.

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He's written a book putting everything out in the open, or at least as out in the open as a person admitting to all their crack cocaine use can.

Oddly enough, he truly doesn't know if that is his laptop or not.

Compared to Donny Jr, Hunter Biden is pretty classy at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Oddly enough, he truly doesn't know if that is his laptop or not.
He claims not to know.

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Compared to Donny Jr, Hunter Biden is pretty classy at the moment.
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I don't really see the point of making a comparison, but seriously?

(No fan of Don Jr, but "pretty classy" isn't the sort of adjective that springs to mind with regard to Hunter Biden.)
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
(No fan of Don Jr, but "pretty classy" isn't the sort of adjective that springs to mind with regard to Hunter Biden.)
Standing next to Don Jr, even a slippery used car salesman looks classy
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Standing next to Don Jr, even a slippery used car salesman looks classy
Wonder if that was why Trump had him bred? So that Trump would look better stood next to him?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Compared to Donny Jr, Hunter Biden is pretty classy at the moment.
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If Donny Jr. is the standard, my cat just left something classy in the litter box.
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
If Donny Jr. is the standard, my cat just left something classy in the litter box.
It should have left Don Jr. instead.
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I find the fascination with politician's family members pretty gross.

One of the supposed benefits of a Biden admin is that he isn't staffing up the place with his dimwitted spawn like Trump did. There's no reason why the public should have to be familiar with these children of powerful people.

If I never have to hear about the failson Hunter ever again, that would be swell.
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If I never have to hear about the failson Hunter ever again, that would be swell.
Well good luck with that. He's not exactly shying away from the media attention either. He's got a book out and he's doing a media tour (morning TV shows, late night shows). I think the only reason anyone cares is because he's the president's son. I am personally not a fan. I think he has used the fact that his father is a powerful politician to profit for himself. The Burisma thing, for one. Selling his family connection. They paid him something like $80,000 per month for that. Some other dubious business ventures. Now he's selling a book that nobody would buy if his name wasn't Biden.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
It should have left Don Jr. instead.
Had the litter not absorbed the odor so quickly, I would have checked to be sure he didn't.
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Well good luck with that. He's not exactly shying away from the media attention either. He's got a book out and he's doing a media tour (morning TV shows, late night shows). I think the only reason anyone cares is because he's the president's son. I am personally not a fan. I think he has used the fact that his father is a powerful politician to profit for himself. The Burisma thing, for one. Selling his family connection. They paid him something like $80,000 per month for that. Some other dubious business ventures. Now he's selling a book that nobody would buy if his name wasn't Biden.
To be fair the right wing media aired all his dirty laundry out nationally. That his father is a powerful politician has done him plenty of harm as well.
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To be fair the right wing media aired all his dirty laundry out nationally. That his father is a powerful politician has done him plenty of harm as well.
The right wing media is actually the direct reason he has the fame to cash in. If it wasn't for that, he'd be as interesting as Chelsea Clinton with a drug habit.
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Well good luck with that. He's not exactly shying away from the media attention either. He's got a book out and he's doing a media tour (morning TV shows, late night shows). I think the only reason anyone cares is because he's the president's son. I am personally not a fan. I think he has used the fact that his father is a powerful politician to profit for himself. The Burisma thing, for one. Selling his family connection. They paid him something like $80,000 per month for that. Some other dubious business ventures. Now he's selling a book that nobody would buy if his name wasn't Biden.
Yeah, that goes against everything America holds dear. Especially the GOP.
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Yeah, that goes against everything America holds dear. Especially the GOP.
Seems that liberals are going for the over-correction.

You're right that it's pretty laughable to hear the GOP complain about a politician's son cashing in on his proximity to power. It was a pretty lame attack considering their own comfort with corruption, and it notably failed to make much of a splash outside of very right wing media. It certainly wasn't a scandal that seemed to hurt papa Biden much.

That doesn't mean libs have to pretend he's some great guy. He's a failson cashing in on the power of his politician father, there's nothing admirable about that. He's scum, but I guess libs need to pretend he's someone they should care about.

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Well he made some mistakes and I wish him the best in his recovery. That’s the extent of my thoughts on him.
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That doesn't mean libs have to pretend he's some great guy. He's a failson cashing in on the power of his politician father, there's nothing admirable about that. He's scum, but I guess libs need to pretend he's someone they should care about.
I view it more that they are just being more open about all his issues. It is harder to gain political traction with accusations of nefarious things when that person has already written them up in a book and is discussing it on TV. They can't exactly be accused of brushing this under the carpet.

This preempts some of the criticism and rumors. That has political value.
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Seems that liberals are going for the over-correction.

You're right that it's pretty laughable to hear the GOP complain about a politician's son cashing in on his proximity to power. It was a pretty lame attack considering their own comfort with corruption, and it notably failed to make much of a splash outside of very right wing media. It certainly wasn't a scandal that seemed to hurt papa Biden much.

That doesn't mean libs have to pretend he's some great guy. He's a failson cashing in on the power of his politician father, there's nothing admirable about that. He's scum, but I guess libs need to pretend he's someone they should care about.
Without the GOP attacks he would not have a book deal. He is drinking their tears and they are crying about it.
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Without the GOP attacks he would not have a book deal. He is drinking their tears and they are crying about it.
Who wants to read this dreck? I suppose there's vicarious enjoyment. Inside us all in the desire to smoke crack and **** prostitutes all paid for by a do-nothing job handed to us thanks to our last name.
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Who wants to read this dreck? I suppose there's vicarious enjoyment. Inside us all in the desire to smoke crack and **** prostitutes all paid for by a do-nothing job handed to us thanks to our last name.
I have no interest, either. But, the GOP picked him out and made him significant. He was just a recovering addict until they decided that he was interesting. And now, some think he is interesting. Ka-ching!

He should really go on Fox News and thank them for his newfound celebrity status and this book deal in particular.
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The right wing media is actually the direct reason he has the fame to cash in. If it wasn't for that, he'd be as interesting as Chelsea Clinton with a drug habit.
There already exists a Roger Clinton.
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Seems that liberals are going for the over-correction.

You're right that it's pretty laughable to hear the GOP complain about a politician's son cashing in on his proximity to power. It was a pretty lame attack considering their own comfort with corruption, and it notably failed to make much of a splash outside of very right wing media. It certainly wasn't a scandal that seemed to hurt papa Biden much.

That doesn't mean libs have to pretend he's some great guy. He's a failson cashing in on the power of his politician father, there's nothing admirable about that. He's scum, but I guess libs need to pretend he's someone they should care about.
I'm not sure liberals care at all. I'm not saying he's a good guy. But that doesn't make him scum either. It means I don't know and I don't care.
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There already exists a Roger Clinton.
And a Billy Carter before him.
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Hunter Biden says he has no ‘recollection’ of encounter with ex-stripper whose child he fathered

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In his forthcoming memoir "Beautiful Things," Hunter Biden writes he "has no recollection" of an encounter with an ex-stripper from Arkansas who gave birth to their child in 2018.
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He added: "I'm not proud of it. It's why I would later challenge in court the woman from Arkansas who had a baby in 2018 and claimed the child was mine -- I had no recollection of our encounter. That's how little connection I had with anyone. I was a mess, but a mess I've taken responsibility for."
He "took responsibility" after being ordered to by a judge.
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That Biden was the father of this child was more than a claim by the mother.

Independence County, Ark., Circuit Judge Holly Meyer issued an order in January 2020 establishing that Hunter Biden had fathered the woman's child. The order said that DNA tests made that fact clear.

"[T]he results of the DNA tests indicate with near scientific certainty that the defendant is the biological father of the child in this case," the order said.

Biden remembering little has become a recurring theme as he promotes his book.
Yep. Pretty classy.
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Hunter Biden says he has no ‘recollection’ of encounter with ex-stripper whose child he fathered


He "took responsibility" after being ordered to by a judge.


Yep. Pretty classy.

It does sound unbelievable. When I hear something like this, I find it despicable.

That said, crack cocaine is known to be responsible for memory loss. (This fact doesn't make me believe Hunter) But I do believe we should keep this in mind. I certainly would object to him holding public office thinking his memory loss is mere convenience. But I am reminded he doesn't hold public office.
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It does sound unbelievable. When I hear something like this, I find it despicable.

That said, crack cocaine is known to be responsible for memory loss. (This fact doesn't make me believe Hunter) But I do believe we should keep this in mind. I certainly would object to him holding public office thinking his memory loss is mere convenience. But I am reminded he doesn't hold public office.
Yeah, it does seem rather convenient to me that that he cannot remember whether that computer belongs to him, and cannot remember whether he took it to a repair shop. It smells like selective amnesia. A convenient way to avoid answering awkward questions about the contents of that hard drive.
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Yeah, it does seem rather convenient to me that that he cannot remember whether that computer belongs to him, and cannot remember whether he took it to a repair shop. It smells like selective amnesia. A convenient way to avoid answering awkward questions about the contents of that hard drive.
It ABSOLUTELY does sound like that.

But I've known high functioning heroin addicts and alcoholics. I can't speak informatively about crack. That said, I know people that have had frequent blackouts who couldn't tell you what happened 5 minutes ago let alone yesterday.

From what I understand, his addiction was serious and that seems the point of his book. Still, I'm not buying the book or voting for him. But that says nothing about his dad.
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By "classy" I meant: 1) compared to Donny Jr who is a conceited boor, and, 2) for admitting all his faults and terrible behavior and cleaning up his act.

Now all that depends on him staying clean and being a dad to his kid. I don't care that the court had to order support, though it is too bad he didn't just volunteer to do the test and accept responsibility without going to court.

I can believe a person getting high, having sex and not remembering it later especially if it was a one-nighter.

I found the interview a counter to the character assassination put out by Trumpers and Fox News. Why should I believe everything Fox News said about him?

And yes I can see that he used his dad's name to get high paying jobs and that he was a serious addict with all that entails. Still, I prefer hearing him talk about himself to anything that came out of the GOP.

BTW, I know more than a few people from my 20s and younger that were serious addicts. Some died and some ended up in jail and/or never getting out of the cycle, at least as of the last time I heard anything about how they were doing. But some of them did make it out and **** it, why should I hold it against them as long as they made any amends they needed to make.

So I am less inclined to give a **** that Hunter was an ******* for a couple decades. What matters is he actually clean and/or will he relapse into the dregs of the incalcitrant addicts?
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I feel like one of the problems with American politics these days is that it's become too tribal.

People who get caught up into the tribal aspect of it feel like they need to reflexively defend the indefensible as long as it's someone "on our side".

The sad fact is that sometimes there are people "on our side" who are not good people, and not everyone on "the other side" is the devil incarnate.

That said, I'm very happy that Trump is no longer president. But, I don't think that means I need to feel warm fuzzies about Hunter Biden because of it.
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Hunter Biden isn't a politician, he isn't on anyone's side. Talking about him is TMZ celebrity gossip
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True, but I didn't start the thread. I'm just reacting to it.

Inasmuch as he's the son of the president and is going on TV to promote his book, I think he's at least as much fair game as Don Jr. or Eric.
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To a certain extent I would agree with that. However, Donnie and Eric were Fox News regulars and heavily involved in the campaign. I don't think Hunter was voluntarily involved in politics or the media to that same degree.
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I feel like one of the problems with American politics these days is that it's become too tribal.

People who get caught up into the tribal aspect of it feel like they need to reflexively defend the indefensible as long as it's someone "on our side".

The sad fact is that sometimes there are people "on our side" who are not good people, and not everyone on "the other side" is the devil incarnate.

That said, I'm very happy that Trump is no longer president. But, I don't think that means I need to feel warm fuzzies about Hunter Biden because of it.
Thing is, Toupee Fiasco's kids were heavily involved in both his (laughably corrupt) business, *and* acted as campaign surrogates as well. If Chelsea Clinton had shown up briefly in 20016 to discuss her mother's charity or some such, I wouldn't care, but I'd say "Yeah, it does seem Hillary did well." Substitute 45 and kids, and the response is the far worse "You mean he helped you rip of veterans?" And of course, he pulled in his also laughably corrupt daughter and son in law (a notorious slumlord in Baltimore) to all sorts of things he had no business being in.

Had the allegations of Hunter using his influence to pay his father billions come from a source I could find credible, *that* would be a serious mark against Biden. Instead, everything we get is from either Rudy Guiliani, who again is absurdly corrupt, or some Russian who ends up being connected directly to the Kremlin, which renders him unimportant for my purposes.

I wish Hunter the best, in a general "wow, you messed up bad, didn't you?" sort of way. As for him profiting from being Joe Biden's son...I mean of course he does. I honestly don't see a path for him to avoid this, or for any other modern child of a president. He's not in the administration, Biden doesn't seem to be leaning directly on any company to give him sweetheart deals, so...yes, t's not "fair" in the usual way.

Life isn't fair. He's connected by birth, like anyone else that get a job via a parent's connections or a neighbor, gets admitted as a legacy into a college/fraternity/etc. I straight don't know what to do about that.
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Old 10th April 2021, 12:31 PM   #32
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True, but I didn't start the thread. I'm just reacting to it.

Inasmuch as he's the son of the president and is going on TV to promote his book, I think he's at least as much fair game as Don Jr. or Eric.
I agree. But there is a difference between selling a book about his drug addiction and attacking anyone with a D after their name. But let's be fair, it was Trump and the GOP who made Hunter famous. They have been attacking Hunter for 18 months.
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Old 10th April 2021, 01:57 PM   #33
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Hunter Biden isn't a politician, he isn't on anyone's side. Talking about him is TMZ celebrity gossip
I started the thread because I believe he deserves that people hear the counter to the smear campaign leveled against him for the last year 18 months.

Corrected.

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Standing next to Don Jr, even a slippery used car salesman looks classy


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Old 11th April 2021, 06:47 AM   #35
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I don't have a political interest in Hunter Biden. His only significance in that respect is that obviously the GOP had nothing on Joe, so they were stuck with smearing his son. It's disgusting, but the GOP loves to smear people, and they have no regard for what is true.

Hunter was dragged unwillingly into the limelight, and he has every right to speak out and give his version of himself.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
I feel like one of the problems with American politics these days is that it's become too tribal.

People who get caught up into the tribal aspect of it feel like they need to reflexively defend the indefensible as long as it's someone "on our side".

Who here is "defending" what Hunter actually did?

The issue here is that the GOP didn't go after Hunter for what he did. They went out of their way to spin ridiculous tales about him, in the hopes that this would sway enough low-information voters to not vote for his father. That's what we're "defending" him over.

Hunter Biden was a crack addict who profited off his dad's name? Yes, of course, that's an admitted fact that no one disputes. But that wasn't enough for Trump and Co. No, it had to be that Hunter Biden was a crack addict who was making billions betraying America! to the Ukrainians and CHY-na, while also being such a massive pedophile he needed multiple laptops to save all the kiddie porn he not only watched, but created too, while probably being one of those cannibals QAnon were always carrying on about.

This does not compare at all to pointing out how douche-tastic Trump's kids are, while also mentioning the proven-in-court fact that they routinely defrauded charities.
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Who here is "defending" what Hunter actually did?

The issue here is that the GOP didn't go after Hunter for what he did. They went out of their way to spin ridiculous tales about him, in the hopes that this would sway enough low-information voters to not vote for his father. That's what we're "defending" him over.

Hunter Biden was a crack addict who profited off his dad's name? Yes, of course, that's an admitted fact that no one disputes. But that wasn't enough for Trump and Co. No, it had to be that Hunter Biden was a crack addict who was making billions betraying America! to the Ukrainians and CHY-na, while also being such a massive pedophile he needed multiple laptops to save all the kiddie porn he not only watched, but created too, while probably being one of those cannibals QAnon were always carrying on about.

This does not compare at all to pointing out how douche-tastic Trump's kids are, while also mentioning the proven-in-court fact that they routinely defrauded charities.
The irony of Trumpets whining about "kids profiting off their family name" is to the point where it is too stupid to be funny.

But here's my question about the interview: was he ever asked if he brought laptops to a repair shop in Delaware?

I've heard him rambling about how his laptop might have been stolen, but the question is, did he bring it in for repair?
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Who wants to read this dreck? I suppose there's vicarious enjoyment. Inside us all in the desire to smoke crack and **** prostitutes all paid for by a do-nothing job handed to us thanks to our last name.
You had me with the whole "prostitutes and do-nothing job", but lost me at the "smoking crack" part. Nice work if you can get it.
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The irony of Trumpets whining about "kids profiting off their family name" is to the point where it is too stupid to be funny.

But here's my question about the interview: was he ever asked if he brought laptops to a repair shop in Delaware?

I've heard him rambling about how his laptop might have been stolen, but the question is, did he bring it in for repair?
He said he didn't remember anything about the laptop.

Does it matter? It was part of the GOP smear campaign. Nuf said.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He said he didn't remember anything about the laptop.

Does it matter? It was part of the GOP smear campaign. Nuf said.
"I don't remember anything about the laptop" does not refute the GOP accusations.

"I never brought a laptop to a repair shop" directly contradicts it.

Why does it matter?

Because it's so simple.

Yes, it was part of GOP smear campaign. But was it wrong? Was there suspicious content on his computer that was confiscated by the FBI?

His response does not answer that question as no.
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