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Old 16th November 2022, 02:21 PM   #1121
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Whihc meand you are angry that not all Americans are as far to the left as you would like.
And, of course ,you totally write off centrists and moderates. Good way to throw away elections.
The Dems have been getting more and more centrists and moderates, so I'm not sure what you're bitching about here. No one is writing them off in the slightest.
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Old 16th November 2022, 02:37 PM   #1122
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Even raw totals don't really show the whole picture; particularly for the house. IIRC, there were a bunch of uncontested republican seats while not many uncontested democratic ones so that skews things.

Also, I believe these claims were made before the west coast (i.e. Calirfornia) votes came in.
For sure, and there are the years when a California Senate seat is up and there are no Republican candidates in the race. That's an 11-12 million difference right there.
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Old 16th November 2022, 02:51 PM   #1123
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In what is hopefully a good sign, the first major Senate political action since the election is a bill to protect gay marriage, with 12 Republicans joining the 50 Democrat's in voting yes, adverting any potential filibusters.
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Old 16th November 2022, 03:36 PM   #1124
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Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
For sure, and there are the years when a California Senate seat is up and there are no Republican candidates in the race. That's an 11-12 million difference right there.
That is because California has a system where the two candidates with the most votes in the primary, regardless of party, square off for the Senate.
If the California GOP were not so inept, they would run a candidate who could get enough votes to get on the November ballot.
Of course the California GOP has the rep in the GOP of being totally inept, the gang who could'nt shoot straight.
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Old 16th November 2022, 04:42 PM   #1125
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Republicans just hit 218 in the House.
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Old 16th November 2022, 04:44 PM   #1126
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It was a long-shot for Dems to get the majority House. Oh well, at least Republicans have no teeth, legislatively, for now. Unfortunately, they still have the SCOTUS doing damage to the country.
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Old 16th November 2022, 04:48 PM   #1127
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
In what is hopefully a good sign, the first major Senate political action since the election is a bill to protect gay marriage, with 12 Republicans joining the 50 Democrat's in voting yes, adverting any potential filibusters.
Marjorie Traitor Greene's head will explode for sure!
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Old 16th November 2022, 05:04 PM   #1128
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Let's face it, the Dems chances of holding the House were never good given their thin majority to begin with, that the party in power almost always suffers losses in the mid terms, and they had a horrid headwind with inflation, which is hurting a lot of people.
IMHO they did well to keep the GOP from getting more then a razor thin majority. Most projections were for a much bigger gain by the GOP.
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Old 16th November 2022, 05:29 PM   #1129
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In what is hopefully a good sign, the first major Senate political action since the election is a bill to protect gay marriage, with 12 Republicans joining the 50 Democrat's in voting yes, adverting any potential filibusters.
This made me realize that the last six years have gotten me to the point where I'm having trouble processing promising news. It's a good thing not only for those directly affected but it's hard to not see it as a kind of "moderate" GOP warning shot at the Supreme Court about getting too weird on privacy issues. I mean, I'm not going to stop dragging the Democratic Party like the cranky old organized labor fanatic I am, but between this and the midterms not being a total disaster it's like there might actually be the beginnings of a pulse for a centrist coalition to at least avoid my darkest political forecasts. Which I can live with.

It would be nice to be wrong about stuff for once.

I really have no idea how to react. It's like if one of my wife's cats started talking to me in perfect English. It's weird.
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IMHO they did well to keep the GOP from getting more then a razor thin majority. Most projections were for a much bigger gain by the GOP.
The projections were systemically biased, for reasons which we can only begin to guess at so far. It is telling that Dems overperformed wherever reproductive rights or voting rights were clearly on the ballot, though.
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Old 16th November 2022, 11:17 PM   #1131
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The Dems have been getting more and more centrists and moderates, so I'm not sure what you're bitching about here. No one is writing them off in the slightest.
I have been trying to find out what dudalb means when he cries wolf about far left Dems and what makes them far left? Whenever asked, he ignores the question.
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Any update on Boebert vs Frisch?
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Old 17th November 2022, 12:13 AM   #1133
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Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland View Post
Any update on Boebert vs Frisch?
The thing is even if Frisch manages to scrape through a win, it leaves the door for election fraud claims from Boebert...Kari Lake will have good company.
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Old 17th November 2022, 12:15 AM   #1134
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Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland View Post
Any update on Boebert vs Frisch?
Only 1,122 votes separate them as of now with Boebert leading. But they are still counting overseas and military ballots. Colorado allows those ballots postmarked up to election day so they are also being counted along with those that had to be corrected for signature, etc. by today. They don't expect a final count until Friday.
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Nancy Pelosi will not seek leadership of House going forward. No real word on my level on who the likely replacement is.
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Old 17th November 2022, 12:17 PM   #1136
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Nancy Pelosi will not seek leadership of House going forward. No real word on my level on who the likely replacement is.
Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn also out. Most likely -- but not certain -- successor is Hakeem Jeffries.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hake...ry?id=93489303
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Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn also out. Most likely -- but not certain -- successor is Hakeem Jeffries.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hake...ry?id=93489303
I was going to say Jeffries. He isn't near progressive enough for my likes, but from an operational standpoint, there aren't really any better choices. Regardless, not getting a progressive in the main leadership role isn't going to stop move towards progressive policies.
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Lauren Boebert's race with Adam Frisch for Colorado's Third Congressional District is too close to call and may be headed for a recount. Yahoo News reports-
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As of Thursday afternoon, Boebert was ahead of Frisch by a margin of 0.16%, or 543 votes. State law calls for an automatic recount if the final margin in a race is less than a percentage point, which would need to be completed by Dec. 13, the New York Times reported. The drawn-out counting of votes has been a result of waiting for mail ballots from members of the U.S. military living overseas to be received. The deadline for the receipt of those ballots was Wednesday. Voters were also given until Wednesday to "cure" ballots that were initially rejected for reasons such as that they contained mismatching signatures. Yahoo News link
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Whenever I listen to Obama, the stark difference in intelligence and class to Trump comes shining through.
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Whenever I listen to Obama, the stark difference in intelligence and class to Trump comes shining through.
I sure miss having an erudite President
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Nancy Pelosi will not seek leadership of House going forward. No real word on my level on who the likely replacement is.
That's sort of big news, although maybe sort of obvious in hindsight.

I wonder if she was planning to step down anyway or if the attack on her husband had something to do with it.

Either way, I think it's about time.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
That's sort of big news, although maybe sort of obvious in hindsight.

I wonder if she was planning to step down anyway or if the attack on her husband had something to do with it.

Either way, I think it's about time.
I don't really think much is to be gained by trying to find a motive. She's been doing the job for 4 Administrations now, that's a good run by any standards.

"The 82 Year Old Woman who's been at the same job for 15 years, in the same industry since 1976 has decided to retire" would be exactly zero "OMG WHY WE NEED A REASON!" in any other context, so while politics must politic, I'm not overly tempted to start digging for one here.
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Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn also out. Most likely -- but not certain -- successor is Hakeem Jeffries.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hake...ry?id=93489303
He's been rumored to be Pelosi's successor for a few years now. The first impeachment hearing was supposed to be his moment. I think he did well.
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I don't really think much is to be gained by trying to find a motive. She's been doing the job for 4 Administrations now, that's a good run by any standards.

"The 82 Year Old Woman who's been at the same job for 15 years, in the same industry since 1976 has decided to retire" would be exactly zero "OMG WHY WE NEED A REASON!" in any other context, so while politics must politic, I'm not overly tempted to start digging for one here.
Especially after years of "when will Nancy retire?" Lord knows I'm not her biggest fan, but I don't think you need to dig too deep here. Given the ******** we're about to view, she's probably decided to stick around another term or 2 to help Jeffries transition into the role.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I don't really think much is to be gained by trying to find a motive. She's been doing the job for 4 Administrations now, that's a good run by any standards.

"The 82 Year Old Woman who's been at the same job for 15 years, in the same industry since 1976 has decided to retire" would be exactly zero "OMG WHY WE NEED A REASON!" in any other context, so while politics must politic, I'm not overly tempted to start digging for one here.
Yeah, when you put it that way, it seems obvious, but some politicians the only way they leave is in a wooden box. Strom Thurmond, Ted Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg etc.
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Yeah, when you put it that way, it seems obvious, but some politicians the only way they leave is in a wooden box. Strom Thurmond, Ted Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg etc.


I think the last time RBG could be regarded as a "politician" was when she ran for Class President at James Madison High School in the late 1940's
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I think the last time RBG could be regarded as a "politician" was when she ran for Class President at James Madison High School in the late 1940's
She still should have retired, especially given her condition and age at the time. She had health issues for years. I admire RBG, but her decision not to retire is a massive blemish on an amazing career.
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Categorizing a SCOTUS judge as "Political" invoking even the slightest bit of backlash is rather confusing to me.
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Any update on Boebert vs Frisch?
As of a few hours ago there were about 300 votes left to be counted. Boebert was ahead by about 500 and Frisch has conceded.

It is close enough to trigger an automatic recount, but those rarely change anything.

The 300 remaining votes were from a conservative leaning area, so it is not likely to get any closer.
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Whenever I listen to Obama, the stark difference in intelligence and class to Trump comes shining through.
One thing Obama does well is sell a message. But after his very average presidency and during the reign of Trump and aftermath, he had a chance to be the liberal figurehead that Democratic voters could turn to for moral support. He had an opportunity to give 20 Ron Johnson speeches over this time period. He could have been there from the beginning of the fight. He could have been that guy for the sane half of America. But he kept going with the boring disingenuous "nonpartisan", nonconfrontational routine for years after he left.
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As of a few hours ago there were about 300 votes left to be counted. Boebert was ahead by about 500 and Frisch has conceded.

It is close enough to trigger an automatic recount, but those rarely change anything.

The 300 remaining votes were from a conservative leaning area, so it is not likely to get any closer.
https://www.westword.com/news/lauren...count-15497463
"Frisch added: "It would be disingenuous and unethical for us, or any other group, to continue to raise false hope and to encourage fundraising for a recount. Colorado’s elections are safe, accurate, and secure. Please, save your money for your groceries, your rent, your children, and for other important causes and organizations."
You can be 100% certain that if the election had gone the other way, Boebert would screeching about election fraud. Frisch shows his class here, class that is totally absent from Boebert's character.
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That's sort of big news, although maybe sort of obvious in hindsight.

I wonder if she was planning to step down anyway or if the attack on her husband had something to do with it.

Either way, I think it's about time.
What I just heard is that she had planned to step down from the leadership post already, but that the attack is a reason she did not include stepping down from Congress itself.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
That's sort of big news, although maybe sort of obvious in hindsight.

I wonder if she was planning to step down anyway or if the attack on her husband had something to do with it.

Either way, I think it's about time.
She said 4 years ago she would do 4 more years and that would be it.
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One thing Obama does well is sell a message. But after his very average presidency and during the reign of Trump and aftermath, he had a chance to be the liberal figurehead that Democratic voters could turn to for moral support. He had an opportunity to give 20 Ron Johnson speeches over this time period. He could have been there from the beginning of the fight. He could have been that guy for the sane half of America. But he kept going with the boring disingenuous "nonpartisan", nonconfrontational routine for years after he left.
Damn him for wanting some normality and privacy in his life after 8 years as president.

"very average presidency"? Let's see about that:
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The economy gained a net 11.6 million jobs. The unemployment rate dropped to below the historical norm.

Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 4.2 percent after inflation. The gain was 3.7 percent for just production and nonsupervisory employees.

After-tax corporate profits also set records, as did stock prices. The S&P 500 index rose 166 percent.

The number of people lacking health insurance dropped by 15 million. Premiums rose, but more slowly than before.

The federal debt owed to the public rose 128 percent. Deficits were rising as Obama departed.

Home prices rose 20 percent. But the home ownership rate hit the lowest point in half a century.

Illegal immigration declined: The Border Patrol caught 35 percent fewer people trying to get into the U.S. from Mexico.

Wind and solar power increased 369 percent. Coal production declined 38 percent. Carbon emissions from burning fossil fuel dropped 11 percent.

Production of handguns rose 207 percent, to a record level.

The murder rate dropped to the lowest on record in 2014, then rose and finished at the same rate as when Obama took office.
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Gathering statistics is a painstaking and time-consuming job. Figures on crime, household incomes and poverty in 2016 weren’t released until September 2017, for example.

But now we have a reasonably complete statistical picture of the Obama years, which began in the middle of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, and ended with the highest level of household income ever recorded.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/

Average? Hardly.
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Election stolen again.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...2022-election/
If the Republicans could only learn to vote by mail, they could win some elections.
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I recently learned there are some differences. At 50/50, senate rules require that committees be 50/50. At 51/49, there is no such requirement. There are a couple other fine points which I forget.
I just learned that at 50/50, the Dems don't have subpoena power.
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Well, they've already shown that their subpoenas mean nothing anyway, so that's not a real difference. And "Senate rules" are whatever the Senate feels like setting for itself.
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Election stolen again.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...2022-election/
If the Republicans could only learn to vote by mail, they could win some elections.
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Well, they've already shown that their subpoenas mean nothing anyway, so that's not a real difference. And "Senate rules" are whatever the Senate feels like setting for itself.
And that's another limit on a 50/50 senate -- can't change the rules.
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Election stolen again.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...2022-election/
If the Republicans could only learn to vote by mail, they could win some elections.
A reminder that the elections in Maricopa County - where most of these complaints are directed - is run almost exclusively by Republicans.

Republicans apparently stole the election from themselves.
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