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Old 6th October 2022, 04:50 PM   #121
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You beat me to it.
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I saw two people at Walker's rally interviewed. They both stated "I believe Herschel," and
"If Herschel says it's a lie, it's a lie."

How very Trumpian of them.
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Old 6th October 2022, 05:30 PM   #123
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I saw two people at Walker's rally interviewed. They both stated "I believe Herschel," and
"If Herschel says it's a lie, it's a lie."

How very Trumpian of them.
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Old 6th October 2022, 06:46 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
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Given your additions, that is also list of when republicans say sex with underage people is okay.
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Imagine what they would be saying if there was a D behind Walker's name.
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Imagine what they would be saying if there was a D behind Walker's name.
Hence the notion of spreading the rumour that Walker is a Democrat deep-state plant, intended to make the GOP look stupid.
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Old 6th October 2022, 09:18 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I saw two people at Walker's rally interviewed. They both stated "I believe Herschel," and
"If Herschel says it's a lie, it's a lie."

How very Trumpian of them.
Numerous commentators have observed that that's always been the Trump playbook: Admit nothing, deny everything and counterattack, no matter what the evidence proves. And many other Repubs have now adopted exactly that philosophy. Shame is no longer a factor.

In Walker's case, there might be room for a separate discussion about the idolization of athletes. This guy was a college football star 40+ years ago. He had a mixed record in the NFL, which he left 25 years ago. He has produced nothing and accomplished nothing since. But his name recognition alone got him a Senate nomination.

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Numerous commentators have observed that that's always been the Trump playbook: Admit nothing, deny everything and counterattack, no matter what the evidence proves. And many other Repubs have now adopted exactly that philosophy. Shame is no longer a factor.

In Walker's case, there might be room for a separate discussion about the idolization of athletes. This guy was a college football star 40+ years ago. He had a mixed record in the NFL, which he left 25 years ago. He has produced nothing and accomplished nothing since. But his name recognition alone got him a Senate nomination.
I've never understood this idolization of sports stars in the US or anywhere else. They bore me to tears.
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Old 7th October 2022, 05:43 AM   #130
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Numerous commentators have observed that that's always been the Trump playbook: Admit nothing, deny everything and counterattack, no matter what the evidence proves. And many other Repubs have now adopted exactly that philosophy. Shame is no longer a factor.

In Walker's case, there might be room for a separate discussion about the idolization of athletes. This guy was a college football star 40+ years ago. He had a mixed record in the NFL, which he left 25 years ago. He has produced nothing and accomplished nothing since. But his name recognition alone got him a Senate nomination.
DARVO is a tactic often engaged by abusers and authoritarian leaders.

And on athletes gaining position beyond their capabilities, the most useless Irish Taoiseach, who also won the greatest share of votes, was Jack Lynch, a man famous for hurling, though in Lynch's case he was also a reasonably accomplished barrister.
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And on athletes gaining position beyond their capabilities, the most useless Irish Taoiseach, who also won the greatest share of votes, was Jack Lynch, a man famous for hurling, though in Lynch's case he was also a reasonably accomplished barrister.
Your guy had a long history of winning elections and appointments to increasingly responsible jobs, and he had been a civil service employee before that. Not much of a comparison.
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Let's take a short break for some humor and satire from Rex Huppke.

I don't care if Herschel Walker paid for an abortion or if he blew up the planet Alderaan

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There’s a report that Herschel Walker, the staunchly anti-abortion Republican running in Georgia's Senate race, got a woman pregnant then paid for her abortion back in 2009.

Like other staunchly anti-abortion Republicans, I have one thing to say about that: DON’T CARE!

Dana Loesch, a conservative radio host and former spokesperson for the National Rifle Association, put it best this week when she said: “I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles. I want control of the Senate.”

Amen, sister. Abort those eagle babies! Like Loesch, I believe deeply in the sanctity of life and oppose all abortions – except for this one, which I will accept to prevent it from costing my party control of the Senate.
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As a matter of fact, I don’t think Loesch went far enough in defending Walker with her hypothetical eagle abortion clinic.

Like the many Republicans who’ve rushed in to stick up for Walker in the wake of the abortion news, I don’t care if the former football star is an ancient, trans-dimensional, shape-shifting entity of pure evil that takes the form of a clown named Pennywise and terrorizes a small town in Maine. I want control of the Senate, and I’m sure Walker regrets any past desire to feed on humans.

Heck, I don’t care if Walker oversaw the construction of a moon-size space station that blew up the 2-billion-person planet of Alderaan, then later got in an argument with his son and chopped his right hand off. We have to secure that Georgia Senate seat so we can stop President Joe Biden’s immoral agenda!
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Old 7th October 2022, 09:02 AM   #133
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Let's take a short break for some humor and satire from Rex Huppke.

I don't care if Herschel Walker paid for an abortion or if he blew up the planet Alderaan
If Joseph Welch was to ask today, "Have you no sense of decency?" the answer would be crickets.

These guys should really check out the concept of a Faustian Bargain.
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Old 7th October 2022, 09:08 AM   #134
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They have no shame:

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On her (Dana Loesch) radio show, the pro-life host said the race for Warnock’s seat is important above all else – including a single abortion from 2009.

So, does this change anything? Do you want my opinion? You’re listening. Not a damn thing. How many times have I said four very important words. These four words: winning is a virtue. What I’m about to say is in no means a contradiction or a compromise of a principle.

And, please keep in mind that I am concerned about one thing, and one thing only at this point. So, I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles. I want control of the Senate.
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IF true, Walker paid for one broad’s abortion compared to Warnock who wants your tax dollars to pay for EVERY broad’s abortion-as-birth control with no limitations. This isn’t a difficult choice and conservatives shouldn’t look to the left to validate their vote. https://t.co/XS3QugXEgE

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 4, 2022


"Skanks" and "broad"...talking about a woman/women she has never met and knows nothing about. Try looking in a mirror, Dana, and see why it's true that women can be just as misogynistic as men.
I remember back in early 2016, she was a "reasonable Republican" for about 10 minutes. Before it looked like he could be the nominee, she was a huge anti-Trumper. She'd be on CNN with Anderson Cooper rending garments about how terrible for America Trump's mere existence was, sharing the occasional smug laugh about Trump supporters.

Then, that first Super Tuesday happened and her tune changed.

The reality is, she is just another person who failed in their first career choice (in this case actor) and became a right-wing talking head who says stupid things for attention and profit.
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If Joseph Welch was to ask today, "Have you no sense of decency?" the answer would be crickets.

These guys should really check out the concept of a Faustian Bargain.
During Trump's first hearing the in the Senate, I said Welch would get his response in the form of laughter
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It doesn't surprise me that the GOP is using the same playbook they do with Trump scandals that goes from denial, then to "it's not a big deal", to "all politicians do it", and now "he's evolved" etc. It gives their cult followers a myriad of excuses and lies choose to accept.
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Look at the response to Iran-Contra. All delfection and obfuscation. I keep telling people this didn't start with Trump.
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It doesn't surprise me that the GOP is using the same playbook they do with Trump scandals that goes from denial, then to "it's not a big deal", to "all politicians do it", and now "he's evolved" etc. It gives their cult followers a myriad of excuses and lies choose to accept.
When all else fails, there's the resort to the "Scott DesJarlais defense" (Wikipedia)- "god has forgiven me." It has the advantage over all other defenses in that it can't be checked for truth, but can be relied on to work with people who don't care about such mundane things.
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If Joseph Welch was to ask today, "Have you no sense of decency?" the answer would be crickets.

These guys should really check out the concept of a Faustian Bargain.
They don't even know the meaning of the word "decency." And the concept of a Faustian Bargain is far above their intellectual capacity. They would be quite willing to sign a contract with Satan without reading it, so long as they get what they want.
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Look at the response to Iran-Contra. All delfection and obfuscation. I keep telling people this didn't start with Trump.
Not a good comparison at all. Iran-Contra was thoroughly investigated, dozens of officials were indicted, and 11 -- including the SecDef -- were convicted. Reagan admitted the facts and apologized. And ultimately it was a policy issue. They believed that they could free American hostages in Lebanon by shipping arms illegally to Nicaraguan rebels. They never attempted to overthrow the U.S. government or sabotage democracy. The Trump crowd tells crazy lies to get and keep power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...3Contra_affair
https://www.history.com/topics/1980s/iran-contra-affair
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I've never understood this idolization of sports stars in the US or anywhere else. They bore me to tears.
I feel the same way about corporate CEOs inexplicably becoming celebrities that people build their entire personalities around
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Not a good comparison at all. Iran-Contra was thoroughly investigated, dozens of officials were indicted, and 11 -- including the SecDef -- were convicted. Reagan admitted the facts and apologized. And ultimately it was a policy issue. They believed that they could free American hostages in Lebanon by shipping arms illegally to Nicaraguan rebels. They never attempted to overthrow the U.S. government or sabotage democracy. The Trump crowd tells crazy lies to get and keep power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...3Contra_affair
https://www.history.com/topics/1980s/iran-contra-affair
And then they went on to deal weapons to Iraq illegally. And Reagan never admitted guilt. He spoke in some general "bad things happened". He should have been forced to resign himself.

Hell, look at what George HW Bush's attorney general was doing at the end of 1992. BTW, care to guess who that AG was?
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I feel the same way about corporate CEOs inexplicably becoming celebrities that people build their entire personalities around
Some people have so little self-worth that they feel they have to live vicariously through others to even exist. So when their idols are threatened, they have to come to their rescue.
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And then they went on to deal weapons to Iraq illegally. And Reagan never admitted guilt. He spoke in some general "bad things happened". He should have been forced to resign himself.

Hell, look at what George HW Bush's attorney general was doing at the end of 1992. BTW, care to guess who that AG was?
Sure, there's plenty of evil in the world. But those guys were still making policy decisions with policy goals. The Trumper crowd are just lying, deranged grifters.
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I've never understood this idolization of sports stars in the US or anywhere else. They bore me to tears.
It is a testament to the predatory nature of humanity and its futility.

If only the christians cheerleading for their lascivious idols regardless of their debauchery because they hypocritically and perfidiously pander to their tribal cults, made this poignant play a required reading in their churches and schools instead of the turpitudinous sordid buybull...
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If Joseph Welch was to ask today, "Have you no sense of decency?" the answer would be crickets.

These guys should really check out the concept of a Faustian Bargain.
GOP made a Faustian bargain a long time ago, and sooner or later the Devil will come around to collect.
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GOP made a Faustian bargain a long time ago, and sooner or later the Devil will come around to collect.
Had they offered their souls to the devil, they'd be losing nothing of value. But they are offering their country.
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GOP made a Faustian bargain a long time ago, and sooner or later the Devil will come around to collect.

They are already collecting... they are called the Christian Nationalists...
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Had they offered their souls to the devil, they'd be losing nothing of value. But they are offering their country.
It's a countdown to a self-identifying Nazi being welcomed into the Republican party. And winning a House seat.
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Your guy had a long history of winning elections and appointments to increasingly responsible jobs, and he had been a civil service employee before that. Not much of a comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Lynch
The only good thing Lynch did as Taoiseach was to try and sideline Haughey, and he failed badly in that. In every other way he was an unkitigated disaster.
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Trumpazees Tom Cotton and Rick Scott are out stumping for Walker today proving yet again that "winning the Senate" is more important than their country.
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Trumpazees Tom Cotton and Rick Scott are out stumping for Walker today proving yet again that "winning the Senate" is more important than their country.
Can you imagine Walker with his serious mental issues being the tie-breaking vote in the US Senate? "Making a mockery of an avoidable tragedy" would not even come close to describing it. It would be like trying to train an unmuzzled bear to tap-dance - you might succeed or you might get eaten, but meanwhile the bear will **** wherever it wants.
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Your guy had a long history of winning elections and appointments to increasingly responsible jobs, and he had been a civil service employee before that. Not much of a comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Lynch
Indeed. The comparison is utter bollocks.
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When all else fails, there's the resort to the "Scott DesJarlais defense" (Wikipedia)- "god has forgiven me." It has the advantage over all other defenses in that it can't be checked for truth, but can be relied on to work with people who don't care about such mundane things.

That claim always mentally brings me to "Lisa", a Chick Tract so offensive that it they actually removed it from their website. Pornography drives a man to molest his daughter and let his neighbor molest her, and one of them gives her an STD. The doctor doesn't turn him in, his wife forgives him, and everything is okay, because God has forgiven him. Then the last panel reveals that his daughter (who had been unseen throughout the comic) is about five or six. But God forgave him.
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That claim always mentally brings me to "Lisa", a Chick Tract so offensive that it they actually removed it from their website. Pornography drives a man to molest his daughter and let his neighbor molest her, and one of them gives her an STD. The doctor doesn't turn him in, his wife forgives him, and everything is okay, because God has forgiven him. Then the last panel reveals that his daughter (who had been unseen throughout the comic) is about five or six. But God forgave him.
How convenient for some people that God can't confirm that he has or hasn't forgiven someone.

God says I won the mega millions lottery. Who are YOU to contradict what God says?
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That claim always mentally brings me to "Lisa", a Chick Tract so offensive that it they actually removed it from their website. Pornography drives a man to molest his daughter and let his neighbor molest her, and one of them gives her an STD. The doctor doesn't turn him in, his wife forgives him, and everything is okay, because God has forgiven him. Then the last panel reveals that his daughter (who had been unseen throughout the comic) is about five or six. But God forgave him.
Chick was always mentally ill.
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
That claim always mentally brings me to "Lisa", a Chick Tract so offensive that it they actually removed it from their website. Pornography drives a man to molest his daughter and let his neighbor molest her, and one of them gives her an STD. The doctor doesn't turn him in, his wife forgives him, and everything is okay, because God has forgiven him. Then the last panel reveals that his daughter (who had been unseen throughout the comic) is about five or six. But God forgave him.
I could only get 7 panels into that before I wanted to throw up. But there's plenty of people today who would agree that it all ended well.
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Chick was always mentally ill.
There's lots of people who are mentally ill who don't sink to the depths that SOB did. He was pure evil. The kind of evil that says that you can do anything you want to other people, but if you repent then that makes it all OK. That's evil ********!
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I can understand wanting to get him elected so the Republicans can control the Senate. Not condone, but understand in a 'cool motive, still evil', kind of way.

What I don't understand is why the GOP and their voters seem so sure he'll do what they want consistently. How predictable do they think a liar of this kind and magnitude, lacking in any moral bearings, and this mentally impaired, will be?

Setting aside any care for the country, because the GOP certainly does, even for their own goals, how sure are they that he'll vote to take away people's access to healthcare? That he'll take away gay rights? That he'll try to get the parents and doctors of trans kids arrested? That he'll never go for gun restrictions?

Dude could vote to ban straight sex then lie about it while waving a gun on the Senate floor.
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
I can understand wanting to get him elected so the Republicans can control the Senate. Not condone, but understand in a 'cool motive, still evil', kind of way.

What I don't understand is why the GOP and their voters seem so sure he'll do what they want consistently. How predictable do they think a liar of this kind and magnitude, lacking in any moral bearings, and this mentally impaired, will be?

Setting aside any care for the country, because the GOP certainly does, even for their own goals, how sure are they that he'll vote to take away people's access to healthcare? That he'll take away gay rights? That he'll try to get the parents and doctors of trans kids arrested? That he'll never go for gun restrictions?

Dude could vote to ban straight sex then lie about it while waving a gun on the Senate floor.
If he is elected, and if he wants to get reelected, he will vote however the party tells him to vote.
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