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Old 16th September 2022, 11:39 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Interestingly, historians rank Reagan just above Obama (my favorite Dem), in this C-Span survey:
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurv.../?page=overall
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In the Presidential Greatness Survey, it's just the opposite.

Which is perfect. It shows that both are considered to have been equally great Presidents. Two surveys, with overall rankings that could hardly be closer.

Do you have a favorite Republican politician, Stacy?
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Which is perfect. It shows that both are considered to have been equally great Presidents. Two surveys, with overall rankings that could hardly be closer.

Do you have a favorite Republican politician, Stacy?
"Favorite"? No. I do have some I respect more than others. I don't think I agree with Liz C or Adam Kinzinger on most anything when it comes to politics, but I do respect them for putting country over party and not being cowards like so may GOP politicians. I respected John McCain for his courage and personal ethics. These three stand in sharp contrast to the cowards and idiots that run the GOP these days.
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I know where this thread is going...Revealing it now will probably get me carded.

In fact this post will probably get me carded.
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Old 17th September 2022, 12:06 AM   #44
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Do you have a favorite Republican politician, Stacy?
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"Favorite"? No.

I'm surprised, as you seem to be a bit of a historian on politics. I think we have votes for Republicans going as far back as Lincoln.
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Old 17th September 2022, 12:07 AM   #45
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VOTE 1!
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Old 17th September 2022, 12:24 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I'm surprised, as you seem to be a bit of a historian on politics. I think we have votes for Republicans going as far back as Lincoln.
So which Republicans are you talking about? The Republicans of the pre- or post- Civil Rights movement of the 1960's? The name is the same but that's about it. Pre-1960's would be Lincoln. Post 60's...Hillary Clinton who switched from the GOP to the Democrats in 1968.
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So which Republicans are you talking about? The Republicans of the pre- or post- Civil Rights movement of the 1960's? The name is the same but that's about it. Pre-1960's would be Lincoln. Post 60's...Hillary Clinton who switched from the GOP to the Democrats in 1968.

I wasn't specifying a period of time. Just any politician who fell under that political party. The discussion of how the party has changed is relevant, and that might be of interest when looking at the overall votes, here.

I was just looking for the who and why, in a very basic sense.
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Liz Cheney or Adam Kizinger

I agree 100% - the only two Republicans with the integrity and courage to stand up to The Fat Orange Turd and his sycophants, and to go against the MAGA Moron Wing of their party.

Before that I would have said Dwight D Eisenhower, the most recent Republican president elected to that office, who wasn't..

1. A crook.
2. A lying bastard.
3. The subject of a sexual assault accusation.
4. As dumb as a cinder block.
5. Some or all of the above.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
In the Presidential Greatness Survey, it's just the opposite.
I had to click on that link twice before I figured out what was wrong with it.
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What would mark either as your favorite Republican of all time? I should have been more specific, as far as a little supporting explanation would be of interest.
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Abraham Lincoln
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Ditto.
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I have two favorite Republicans:

President Lincoln and President Eisenhower.
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Of all of US history, I'll hop onto the Abe Lincoln bandwagon, although I feel one could easily argue that was an entirely different Republican party.
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Favorite Republican? Lincoln would be a good choice but today's Republican party is not at all the party of Lincoln.

Abraham Lincoln gets my vote for favorite Republican of all time.

It is of course ironic that Confederate battle flags have become symbols of the modern Republican party.
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My favorite Republican would have to be my grandfather. He was a proper Republican of the late 60s/early 70s: religious himself but never, ever dragging religion into politics. He thought religion is a private thing and it's un-American to try to use it politically. He believed in charity, kindness, optimism, a firm defense without being aggressive, and fair dealing. He was appalled by the rise of the Religious Right and their hijacking the Republican Party, and found the "neo-cons" horrific. He thought the modern party has turned into conmen, charlatans, thieves, and fools. He stopped being active in the party and spent his time working with charities instead. My grandfather was an essentially good man, and those have no place in the modern Republican Party.
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Abe is an easy vote. Ike was alright. Teddy did all sorts of wonderful things and all sorts of terrible things. Reagan was garbage
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Yeah, Ike, McCain, even Nixon did some good (EPA). But my "favorite" would have to be Trump. He ripped off the veneer and showed the World what the Republican Party had descended to.

Eta:, oh, and my former NJ Congressional Representative, the Honorable Frank Lobiondo, ranked as one of the most bipartisan leglators during his tenure. Even former NJ governor Chris Christie loved this state and did right by it, even though I disagreed with fully half of what he did. Lincoln was not a Republican as we mean it today. The OG RINO, if you will.

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Ike gets my vote. He stuck by the failures and teething problems of the Corona program because he wanted hard evidence of Soviet missile and bomber capabilities. Thus he prevented Jack D. Ripper Curtis Lemay from starting WWIII.

I would call Reagan an articulate, affable *******. Affable in the sense I think any kid would have been fortunate to have him for a grandfather. And ******* for supply side economics and his anti-intellectualism. I suffered through 16 years under him, first as governor of California and then as president.
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Richard Lugar and reaching across the aisle

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Liz Cheney or Adam Kizinger
I agree with your choices among those currently serving. Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN) was intelligent and well-read. He worked on reducing the threat of nuclear weapons with Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA). Not the flashiest kind of work, but important. Also, it's a good example of bipartisan cooperation.
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Dan Evans, former governor of my state. He's the kind of Republican it is my natural inclination to be.
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Eisenhower was no Republican as we know them now. Today, he'd be considered a moderate Democrat. He supported infrastructure, especially the building of our highway system, did not tax cut and spend, and supported Social Security. He also supported and signed the 1957 Civil Rights Bill. All good things. But his support of putting "In God We Trust" on our money and replacing "E Pluribus Unum" as our national motto with that phrase are two big negatives imo.
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Eisenhower was no Republican as we know them now.
Neither was Lincoln or, heck, even Reagan. They’d both be RINOs today.
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Neither was Lincoln or, heck, even Reagan. They’d both be RINOs today.
I throw up a little every time I hear a Republican claim they are the "Party of Lincoln". The GOP of Lincoln's time and the Dems through the early 1960's basically swapped ideologies but retained the names. Today's GOP has no more in common with that of Lincoln's time than The Democratic People's Republic of Korea has with anything democratic or republican.
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Of course if one goes back in history, it's necessary to remember that times and circumstances change. So, for example, I can think of some old time Republicans who were pretty decent in their day, even admirable at times, but like many of their Democratic colleagues of the same period were infected with ideas about race, the role of women, etc. that would not fly today. We should, I think, try to assess their character and integrity as if they had learned a thing or two in the intervening centuries.

With that in mind, I might add William Howard Taft or Calvin Coolidge to the list. Both, if they simply time traveled to today, would be found to hold beliefs not acceptable in today's discourse, but they seem like the kind of people who should be capable of growing with the world. Of course, the kicker to this is that I'm not sure they would be Republicans today, or that the party would have them.

One of my favorite Republicans, whom I've mentioned before, was Lowell Weicker of Connecticut. A moderate R with an apparently fairly open mind, he was notable at the Watergate hearings for his naif but genuine dismay at the activities revealed. But he was, of course, to many of his party even then, a RINO anyway, to the point that his own party endorsed his more conservative Democratic opponent, and he left the party.
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I throw up a little every time I hear a Republican claim they are the "Party of Lincoln". The GOP of Lincoln's time and the SOUTHERN Dems through the early 1960's basically swapped ideologies but retained the names. Today's GOP has no more in common with that of Lincoln's time than The Democratic People's Republic of Korea has with anything democratic or republican.
Fixed that for you. And the Republicans have been the party of the rich and big business since at least the late 19th century. That hasn't changed.
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Fixed that for you. And the Republicans have been the party of the rich and big business since at least the late 19th century. That hasn't changed.
While the Southern Democrats resisted civil rights for Black Americans, the Dem and Republican parties changed overall. The Republicans of Lincoln's day favored the expansion of federal government power, especially in the areas of civil rights and social programs, while the Dems opposed it.

But this is really off topic so I won't continue this.
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Dick Lugar had been a republican senator for 32 years before being primaried because he had the temerity of working with Obama.

I didn't agree with him on everything, but the guy was a public servant who took the role of governing seriously.
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Dick Lugar had been a republican senator for 32 years before being primaried because he had the temerity of working with Obama.

I didn't agree with him on everything, but the guy was a public servant who took the role of governing seriously.
He also worked with Sam Nunn. See the link in comment #56. The Lugar Center provides rankings on bipartisan governance.
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He also worked with Sam Nunn. See the link in comment #56. The Lugar Center provides rankings on bipartisan governance.
Whoops, I missed that reference, but, wow, two nominations for Dick Lugar.

But that darn bipartisanship....the GOP couldn't accept it.
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I have two favorite Republicans:

President Lincoln and President Eisenhower.

It sure is a shame that ever since Eisenhower, all of the Republican presidents (and many of the other national Republican political leaders) have been some horrible product of being very stupid and being very dishonest and being very corrupt and being very self-serving. I have been hoping that the Republican electorate would have learned that basic fact by now, but I am afraid that they have not learned that basic fact.
I would toss in Teddy Roosevelt as another good republican president.
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Eisenhower killed Nazis. Also his platform was very reasonable and not the abject cruelty to poor people that we've seen since Reagan, nor the psychotic right-wing radicalism we've seen since Goldwater.

I would have preferred Ike had stood up to drunk boy McCarthy, done more to support desegregation and Civil Rights, and not made a fool of himself over the U2 program. probably a lot of other things I can't think of right now.
Operation Wetback is a bit of a black mark against him.
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It sure is a shame that ever since Eisenhower, all of the Republican presidents (and many of the other national Republican political leaders) have been some horrible product of being very stupid and being very dishonest and being very corrupt and being very self-serving. I have been hoping that the Republican electorate would have learned that basic fact by now, but I am afraid that they have not learned that basic fact.
I don't recall any scandal involving President Ford. He may not have been brilliant, but he left the country in better shape than he found it.
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I'd like to remind people that Lincoln, Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt are all "old school", pre-1960's Republicans.
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I'd like to remind people that Lincoln, Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt are all "old school", pre-1960's Republicans.
That’s why I broke my answer into pre- and post-Southern Strategy selections. I’m not sure there is a pre- Democrat I like, off the top of my head.
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In words I never thought I'd ever write, I'd at least consider voting for Bush Jr. over some of the possible Democratic contenders in 2024. Whatever his intellectual limitations, he's pretty much color and gender blind compared to most of his fellow GOP, and he's consistently and emphatically has been anti-Trump. And he's a decent human being, something you'd think would be a given but nowadays isn't.
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
In words I never thought I'd ever write, I'd at least consider voting for Bush Jr. over some of the possible Democratic contenders in 2024. Whatever his intellectual limitations, he's pretty much color and gender blind compared to most of his fellow GOP, and he's consistently and emphatically has been anti-Trump. And he's a decent human being, something you'd think would be a given but nowadays isn't.
Did you really mean Democratic here? If so, please give an example of who you think might be running.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Did you really mean Democratic here? If so, please give an example of who you think might be running.
I meant "Democrat," as in the political party, sorry for the confusion.

In all honesty, I'd at least consider voting for W over the likes of Bernie Sanders and AOC.
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
I meant "Democrat," as in the political party, sorry for the confusion.
OK. Your answer was unexpected. Can't pursue this on topic in this thread.
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