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Old 28th October 2022, 07:04 PM   #81
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Yeah, I get all that. No place is impregnable. People have actually broken into the White House itself. The goal is to slow down an intruder long enough to call the cops, maybe grab a weapon and maybe get to a safe room. And even when an alarm system is turned off, it usually has panic buttons that can be activated immediately. Once again, the guy could have been killed.
Yeah, he could have been just like all the other politicians who have received death threats through the years and especially in the last few. So I guess they should all have bars put on their windows? A SAFE ROOM? Really? Nothing like living in perpetual fear from crazies!
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Old 28th October 2022, 07:04 PM   #82
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Old 28th October 2022, 07:11 PM   #83
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Suburban privilege goes brrrr.
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Nah...he was an Antifa plant.

At least one Newsmax anchor has already tweeted that the attack was staged by Pelosi.
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Newsmax host Greg Kelly has since deleted the tweet (see below). From Yahoo News:
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In another since-nuked tweet, the Newsmax host questioned how Paul Pelosi could have been struck by a hammer and already be on the road to recovery. “Wait a second,” he wrote. “82-year-old Paul Pelosi they SAY was attacked by a guy with a HAMMER, yet he’s expected to make a Full Recovery? And why is NANCY requesting ‘privacy at this time’ – NO.” He added: “WE DEMAND ALL THE INFO AND SCOOP. WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE PELOSI FAMILY?” Yahoo News link
Privacy my butt! !!! We demand the info! !!!

Ever notice how often the wingers, even trump, wind up deleting -- self-censorship? -- their own Tweets. What should that tell them?
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No, you're not just "displaying shock that there wasn't more to their security." You're criticizing them for not putting ******* BARS on their windows like they live in a drug-ridden, high crime area.
No matter how fine the wrought iron, bars on windows in an urban setting always looks like ****.
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Old 28th October 2022, 08:31 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Newsmax host Greg Kelly has since deleted the tweet (see below). From Yahoo News:


Privacy my butt! !!! We demand the info! !!!

Ever notice how often the wingers, even trump, wind up deleting -- self-censorship? -- their own Tweets. What should that tell them?
Just “wondering”.

JAQ off louder Kelly, the neighbors didn’t hear your moans.
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Fox reveals that attacker is a nudist.
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No, you're not just "displaying shock that there wasn't more to their security." You're criticizing them for not putting ******* BARS on their windows like they live in a drug-ridden, high crime area.
If you live in the United States of America, you live in a drug-ridden, high crime area.
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If you live in the United States of America, you live in a drug-ridden, high crime area.
Well then, get those bars on your windows and feel safe!
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Fox reveals that attacker is a nudist.
Did they mention he's also a rigged election and Covid 19 vaccine conspiracist while they were at it or were they too busy pointing out that relevant bit o'info?
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Well then, get those bars on your windows and feel safe!
No bars. Hell, I don't even lock the damn doors. But I'm under no illusions about where I live and how safe or drug free it is.
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Yeah, he could have been just like all the other politicians who have received death threats through the years and especially in the last few. So I guess they should all have bars put on their windows? A SAFE ROOM? Really? Nothing like living in perpetual fear from crazies!
Pelosi is more than "all the other politicians." She has been the focus of Republican rage since Trump took office. Repub candidates run ads blaming her personally for everything the right-wing doesn't like. The Jan. 6 mob targeted her personally. And, again, she is third in line to the Presidency (or second, if you don't count the sitting President.) And, of course, she and hubby are fabulously wealthy. I think their home needs to be a little more secure than a suburban tract house.

If you don't like bars, alarms, window film (which is cheap and invisible) and safe rooms (which don't have to be anything more than a closet with a strong door), what's your advice?

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No bars. Hell, I don't even lock the damn doors. But I'm under no illusions about where I live and how safe or drug free it is.
Then I suggest you move.
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No place is impregnable. People have actually broken into the White House itself.
True, but the White House is quite a different problem. A lot of people work there, a lot of people visit for a ton of different reasons. And even if you get in you still have a lot of doors to go through before you get anywhere you could endanger a leader.

When Nancy returns home does the house get swept to make sure it wasn't compromised?

I wonder if there might be more security than we realize. I think it would make most sense of a Congressman's personal home if most of the security isn't publicized.
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So from what I see...it is all Pelosi's fault for not having more security in her house. Maybe it is. She has, after all been under the illusion that America is not some tinpot banana republic and that the moronic segment of the polity could be reasoned with. However, I think when the time comes that a response to an incident like this or school mass shootings is stuff like "they should have had more precautions in place," or "why don't you volunteer as an armed escort for students at your local school instead of whinging," maybe you should introspect and consider that perhaps America is really not all that different from the "lawless furriners" that they loved to disdain.
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True, but the White House is quite a different problem. A lot of people work there, a lot of people visit for a ton of different reasons. And even if you get in you still have a lot of doors to go through before you get anywhere you could endanger a leader.
......

Not necessarily. And it doesn't have anything to do with staff or visitors.
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The man who jumped the White House fence this month and sprinted through the front door made it much farther into the building than previously known, overpowering one Secret Service officer and running through much of the main floor, according to three people familiar with the incident.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cca_story.html

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So from what I see...it is all Pelosi's fault for not having more security in her house. Maybe it is. She has, after all been under the illusion that America is not some tinpot banana republic and that the moronic segment of the polity could be reasoned with. However, I think when the time comes that a response to an incident like this or school mass shootings is stuff like "they should have had more precautions in place," or "why don't you volunteer as an armed escort for students at your local school instead of whinging," maybe you should introspect and consider that perhaps America is really not all that different from the "lawless furriners" that they loved to disdain.
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Not necessarily. And it doesn't have anything to do with staff or visitors.
I'm not sure what you think I meant. Three of the last four incidents of someone getting in to the White House involve confusion with something
going on, only one was a person jumping the fence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...urity_breaches

One person shadowed the Marine Band entering, another involved guests showing up for a dinner, another shadowed a journalist. Those are things Pelosi's personal residence won't have to be concerned with.

And the incident you cited is why I commented on the number of doors you have to go through to get to a leader.
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I'm not sure what you think I meant. Three of the last four incidents of someone getting in to the White House involve confusion with something
going on, only one was a person jumping the fence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...urity_breaches

One person shadowed the Marine Band entering, another involved guests showing up for a dinner, another shadowed a journalist. Those are things Pelosi's personal residence won't have to be concerned with.

And the incident you cited is why I commented on the number of doors you have to go through to get to a leader.
An intruder got into Queen Elizabeth's bedroom twice and I'd say Buckingham Palace has pretty good security.
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Did they mention he's also a rigged election and Covid 19 vaccine conspiracist while they were at it or were they too busy pointing out that relevant bit o'info?
No, they missed that somehow. He is friends with a radical nudist, though.
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Obviously an Antifa false flag, according to someone who'll be here any minute now.
Nope. She has been banned!
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Nancy has security when she is there.

"Bars on the ground-floor rear windows wouldn't be visible from the street"

So someone would go in by a second story window or side window, etc.

"and even anti-shatter film on the glass might have stopped this guy."

So he jimmies or kicks down a door.


"And a properly designed and installed alarm system protects the doors and windows even when the interior sensors are turned off"

Like I said, they may have a system but a lot of people only turn them on when they leave the house. Sorry...but putting bars on the windows is overreaction.
Yup.

Security systems and locks only deter "honest" criminals. If someone is determined enough to get in and kill you, they will. Anything short of a bunch of heavily armed guards who are prepared to shoot to kill intruders on sight will fail - and even that isn't guaranteed.
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Would a gun have made a difference in this case?
Yes.

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It doesn't sound like it would have deterred this guy too much, as he was a man on a mission.
A bullet would have deterred him.

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I don't know that an 82 year old man would have been a great shot.
A great shot wouldn't have been necessary.
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Back in the waning days of the Bush Administration, demonstrators protesting the war in Iraq used to be a constant presence outside the Pelosi home. Pelosi didn't seem to feel threatened by them though, just annoyed. A feeling she communicated very clearly. It was only fifteen years ago, but it was a different America.

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Dawn does not often break over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s home on Broadway without anti-war protesters outside. Last month Pelosi denounced some of them as “nuts” and told them, “Get away from my house.” She and her staff have refused to meet with the protesters. Some nearby residents have complained about the disruption, but the protesters say most people are supportive. Fillmore link
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Fox reveals that attacker is a nudist.
I read that in an AP article. What a strange character.

Suspect in assault at Pelosi home had posted about QAnon (AP)

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A 2013 article in The Chronicle described David DePape as a “hemp jewelry maker” who lived in a Victorian flat in Berkeley with Taub, who hosted a talk show on local public-access TV called “Uncensored 9/11,” in which she appeared naked and pushed conspiracy theories that the 2001 terrorist attacks were “an inside job.”
This sort of thing is on local public-access TV?

He's a conspiracy theorist. Clearly he seems to have drifted into right-wing CTs like QAnon lately, but doesn't seem like a typical right-winger.
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Fox News was quick to criticize Biden for not condemning other hammer attacks.

Which sounds like a joke but actually happened.
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Yes.
A bullet would have deterred him.
A great shot wouldn't have been necessary.
Assuming of course that:
1) He could actually get to his gun at the time. (A responsible gun owner would probably keep any firearms in a secure location in the house, rather than carrying it all the time. Which means that he might not have had time to retrieve the gun, or might have been cut off from it.)
2) Would have had the clarity of mind to retrieve it and use it as necessary. (In a high adrenaline situation, not everyone will have the presence of mind to react properly. In one of the segments on the daily show, they had one of their correspondents go on a firearms training course to simulate an attack. They failed to get a shot off.)
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By the way, I found interesting the fact, DePape lived in a self-storage unit for a while. That beats sleeping on the sidewalk but not by much! And he's originally from Canada.
Hey, if he was really Canadian, why did he use a hammer instead of a hockey stick like a real Canadian would?
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Hey, if he was really Canadian, why did he use a hammer instead of a hockey stick like a real Canadian would?

He bought the hammer at Canadian Tire.
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Instead of a gun, maybe Pelosi should have armed himself with a Soapstone Carving.

Seems to work well enough against intruders up in Canada.
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Yes.


A bullet would have deterred him.


A great shot wouldn't have been necessary.
Not everyone is willing to suddenly kill others in confusing circumstances, so they don't keep guns around for that purpose. Gotta respect a man who has the choice (financial resources, legality etc) but chooses to take his chances rather than play impromptu executioner.
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Need another example of the right wing going off the rails?

From: Business Insider
Fox News host Jesse Watters criticized the police response to the attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband, arguing that the attacker is being dealt with more harshly because of who the victim is...."A lot of people get hit with hammers. A lot of people get attacked. And a lot of times, they're out on bail the next day and it's a simple assault charge," Watters said.

Yup... in a country where police regularly shoot unarmed black people, we should consider their arrest of a (white) violent criminal attacking a senior citizen as "harsh".
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Security systems and locks only deter "honest" criminals. If someone is determined enough to get in and kill you, they will. Anything short of a bunch of heavily armed guards who are prepared to shoot to kill intruders on sight will fail - and even that isn't guaranteed.

By that logic nobody should ever even lock their front door. After all, anybody could smash it down if they wanted to.

I'm astonished at the objections here to common-sense measures. Does everybody live in "Mayberry RFD?" Pelosi was almost murdered by a lunatic with a hammer, not a KGB hit team. It wouldn't have taken much to stop him, or at least slow him down until the police could get there -- and the police really are "heavily armed guards prepared to shoot to kill."

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Old 29th October 2022, 09:23 AM   #118
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I would have thought that swinging a hammer at a guy's head after being ordered to let go of it would be one of those few situations where he gets pumped full of bullets. (No telling where Mr. Pelosi was, if in the line of fire, though.)
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Old 29th October 2022, 09:25 AM   #119
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Assuming of course that:
1) He could actually get to his gun at the time. (A responsible gun owner would probably keep any firearms in a secure location in the house, rather than carrying it all the time. Which means that he might not have had time to retrieve the gun, or might have been cut off from it.)
2) Would have had the clarity of mind to retrieve it and use it as necessary. (In a high adrenaline situation, not everyone will have the presence of mind to react properly. In one of the segments on the daily show, they had one of their correspondents go on a firearms training course to simulate an attack. They failed to get a shot off.)
And that's why the goal is to make it harder for an intruder to enter, so the residents have time to call 911 and respond rationally -- which might just include locking the bedroom door and waiting for the cops. Firearms can be stored in lockboxes where they are both secure and quickly accessible. In this particular case a canister of pepper spray might have been enough to stop the assault.

The show you're talking about -- if we're thinking of the same one -- was rigged for TV effect. The "victims" had no warning that an "intruder" was about to burst through a door and start "shooting" immediately. Hardly comparable to this.
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Old 29th October 2022, 09:26 AM   #120
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I would have thought that swinging a hammer at a guy's head after being ordered to let go of it would be one of those few situations where he gets pumped full of bullets. (No telling where Mr. Pelosi was, if in the line of fire, though.)
The cops were close enough to jump on him, rather than risk hitting Pelosi.
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