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Old 15th November 2022, 10:18 AM   #41
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I'm absolutely for the ban. It's been 100% proven that Catcher in the Rye single handedly turned an entire generation of young people into flagrant sexual deviants from which society has never recovered.
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Old 15th November 2022, 03:42 PM   #42
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I'm absolutely for the ban. It's been 100% proven that Catcher in the Rye single handedly turned an entire generation of young people into flagrant sexual deviants from which society has never recovered.
You Phony!
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Old 15th November 2022, 03:46 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I forgot the hung like a donkey (and yes the bible is where that phrase comes from).
I do not read Hebrew but I keep on reading that the Hebrew the bible is written in is VERY earthy in places..mcuh more so then any English translatation.
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Old 15th November 2022, 03:53 PM   #44
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Mark Twain, probably Missouri's greatest son, on censorship:

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Old 15th November 2022, 04:03 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You Phony!
Don't get me started. The Canterbury Tales should've stayed banned -- now anybody can read it!

Trust me, that's not going to end well.
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Old 15th November 2022, 04:20 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine View Post
Don't get me started. The Canterbury Tales should've stayed banned -- now anybody can read it!

Trust me, that's not going to end well.
Good point. A number of the Canterbury talea are very bawdy dirty jokes. I am not kidding.
A number of translations though, clean it up considerably.
Leanr to read chaucher in the original. Not that hard to do, really. Reading aloud really helps, beleive it or not.
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Old 15th November 2022, 04:33 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Good point. A number of the Canterbury talea are very bawdy dirty jokes. I am not kidding.
A number of translations though, clean it up considerably.
Leanr to read chaucher in the original. Not that hard to do, really. Reading aloud really helps, beleive it or not.
Yeah I remember our English teacher in 11th grade actually explaining some of the naughty bits. We had the original Middle English (but with modern letters IIRC) and a translation to go by.

And of course thats what turned us all into the perverted delinquents we are today
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I immediately noticed the name of MO's SoS: Jay Ashcroft. There's a familiar surname. So I checked and yes, he's the son former US AG John Ashcroft, who was appointed to the job by Bush the Lesser as compensation for having been defeated for election to the Senate by a dead guy. And put a curtain in front of a statue of Justice because of a bare boob.

ETA: The statue in question. The nut hasn't fallen far from the tree.
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Old 15th November 2022, 06:37 PM   #49
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And, of course, it is a well known fact that the public library system in the US (and Canada) was created by the recognized socialist Andrew Carnegie (aka "the richest man in the world").
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Personally, my fall into depravity was initiated by reading Stoker's Dracula in 7th grade from the school library. My lust for drinking blood has never abated. I prefer a medium bodied O- with hints of weed and just a slight slutty finish.
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
And, of course, it is a well known fact that the public library system in the US (and Canada) was created by the recognized socialist Andrew Carnegie (aka "the richest man in the world").
Carnegie certainly financed much of it, later. But didn't Ben Franklin have something to do with the concept?
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Carnegie certainly financed much of it, later. But didn't Ben Franklin have something to do with the concept?
He helped establish the first lending library well before the Revolution, but it wasn't free as books had to be purchased. You had to be a member.
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Busy complaining about "cancel culture"!
Since I asked in that thread it went very quiet....
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All available evidence points to that. I'm happy to be proven incorrect.
Don't hold your breath.

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No, this accusation was directed at conservatives in general, not at anyone in particular. I'm sure there are a few exceptions.
How are you separating the exceptions? You've made a completely unsupported and vile accusation against a group of people who are not politically aligned with you on that basis alone. Own your words or retract. Stop hiding behind this sophistry.

Is theprestige, as a conservative, a paedophile?
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Better make sure that damned Bible isn't in any school library, then.
No kidding. The Song of Solomon is HOT!
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Yeah I remember our English teacher in 11th grade actually explaining some of the naughty bits. We had the original Middle English (but with modern letters IIRC) and a translation to go by.

And of course thats what turned us all into the perverted delinquents we are today
You jammy dodger, all we had was Anne and Barry.

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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
Don't hold your breath.



How are you separating the exceptions? You've made a completely unsupported and vile accusation against a group of people who are not politically aligned with you on that basis alone. Own your words or retract. Stop hiding behind this sophistry.

Is theprestige, as a conservative, a paedophile?
I didn't draw that conclusion at all. Why are you so hot to propound your own interpretation? And butt in like you're Prestige's minder?
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It's not about porn, it's about books that say it's ok to be gay, that women are equal to men, that America is a country built on appalling treatment of natives and minorities, among many other topics that republicans want to ban.
Yes, but all of those things are equal to porn to conservatives.
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I don't know what "porn" theprestige is referring to, but I have a former coworker who's favorite punching bag is Gender Queer: A Memoir, almost entirely for a couple of panels on one page that shows the protagonist wearing a strap-on and getting a blowjob from their girlfriend. Sounds super provocative and porn-y, right?

Except it really isn't. First, they are both clothed. The only "nudity" is the strap-on. And actually on that same page, but more so on the next, the protagonist is very uncomfortable with what is going on, decides they aren't ready for this kind of thing and discusses it with their girlfriend about doing something else. In other words, it depicts someone in their early 20s having a near-sexual encounter and dealing with their emotions about it in a positive, if difficult, manner. It's not about the almost-sex, it's about dealing with the feelings the protagonist is having.

Honestly, I think this book is entirely appropriate for high school kids, possibly older middle school kids, who might be dealing with complex feelings and have no other reference except internet porn.
To borrow from Carlin, they want to teach kids that sex is so wrong and evil that you should only do it to your spouse.
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So people can protest to remove books that have a teenage boy liking another boy?
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So people can protest to remove books that have a teenage boy liking another boy?

Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?
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Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?
Their protests? No

Their ability to control what other’s have access to? – Yes, absolutely.

(And not a single person involved in pushing this law, or anybody in this thread, actually believes this has anything to do with protecting kids from porn.)
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This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
To borrow from Carlin, they want to teach kids that sex is so wrong and evil that you should only do it to your spouse.


Spouse defined as person they are married to and any other hussy who forces themselves repeatedly on to the poor innocent married man.
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This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.
Then why is this new piece of legislation being proposed?
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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.
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Then why is this new piece of legislation being proposed?
My suspicion is that this is a case of some conservative activists looking for an issue to push in the so called "culture wars".

There are similar occurrences in communities in which right wing nuts show up at school board meetings falsely claiming that very well vetted language arts programs are really just thinly veiled covers for teach critical race theory.
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They banned the graphic novel "Maus" because of a naked mouse and inappropriate language. That's the porn they want to protect kids from....
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Out of curiosity, what's wrong with porn in libraries?
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They banned the graphic novel "Maus" because of a naked mouse and inappropriate language. That's the porn they want to protect kids from....
Yeah, if you catch your son holding the book up with one hand, it's porn.
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This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.
Only this has state mandated fines added to the mix.
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Yeah, when you consider Sendak's In the Night Kitchen to be obscene, you've got some serious issues you must be dealing with. Or should be.
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Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?
No, but silencing is not the same as the power to censor that is suspected here.
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Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?
Why should we ban books for teenagers that include one boy liking another boy?

Should we make believe homosexuality simply does not exist?
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Why should we ban books for teenagers that include one boy liking another boy?

Should we make believe homosexuality simply does not exist?

Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy".
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Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy".
They can protest all they want. However, they can't, or shouldn't ban books just because they think the content is icky. Maybe if they can show that the books they want to ban have/can cause harm, I'd change my opinion.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
They can protest all they want. However, they can't, or shouldn't ban books just because they think the content is icky. Maybe if they can show that the books they want to ban have/can cause harm, I'd change my opinion.

Right. So as long as the process that allows for that is in place, it should be OK, right? And anything that makes that process better, should be embraced, right?

And then, who gets to decide what causes harm? A majority of the affected families? Great!
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Yeah, when you consider Sendak's In the Night Kitchen to be obscene, you've got some serious issues you must be dealing with. Or should be.
It reminds me of Frederick Wortham's crusade in the 1950's against comic books ,where he insisted there was a gay relationship between Batman And Robin.
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Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy".
So if the populace decides a certain group should be deprived of their rights because of the color of their skin; that is OK?

Vox Populi,Vox Humbug as General Sherman said.
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So if the populace decides a certain group should be deprived of their rights because of the color of their skin; that is OK?

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. You would have to look at the real reasons, outside of color. Different topic.
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It isn't okay to deprive people of rights because of the color of their skin. If you think differently, you are racist, by definition.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.
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