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Old 8th October 2019, 01:53 PM   #2601
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Trump supporters would have us believe the orange fungus is a harmless troll not to be taken seriously, and that the POSOTUS is not the real arbiter of policy. But we see clearly that just this one 'person' exerts influence--in the short term, at least--that has real life and death consequences.
So does every president. That's literally their job. Remember all the people, including hundreds of civilians, that President Obama had killed? Not even people that died directly or indirectly from Obama Administration policy. I'm talking just about the thousands of people that President Obama literally ordered killed, in his capacity as Commander in Chief of the armed forces.

Support the Kurds, people are going to die. Don't support the Kurds, people are going to die.

Hell, how many previous administrations have supported Saudi Arabia, or Egypt, with predictable death tolls as a result, without garnering nearly the concern you're expressing here about Donald Trump? How many people died across North Africa and the Middle East, as a result of Barack Obama's policies in that region? I bring this up not to say "what about Obama", but to point out the depth of your special pleading with regard to Donald Trump.
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Old 8th October 2019, 01:55 PM   #2602
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'd just love to hear one person who actually supports Trump instead of a bunch of people who are either actively and admittedly trolling or just putting on some teen angst show of why it doesn't matter and we're all stupid for caring.
I'm here all day, any time you want to listen.

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It probably doesn't help that you seem to be determined to reject every reason offered as an excuse. But, again, I'm willing to try to defend my reasons as valid, if you're interested in hearing from me and discussing them with me.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:03 PM   #2603
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Riiight.

Joe just want to talk trash and avoid discussion, but somehow I'm the troll.

This is what "skeptics" actually believe. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh I am, but I don't think anything I've said here is on the list.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:07 PM   #2604
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
I'll bite. Name one.
Certainly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ntieth_century (starting the mid-70s - in another post I mentioned America's reputation probably being rightly in the gutter since Vietnam, so that seems like a good place to start)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...-first_century

Both of those lists have alliances with the US, formed since the beginning of the Vietnam war. They also have alliances (such as NORAD) that were formed earlier, but have persisted even after Vietnam.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:14 PM   #2605
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Certainly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ntieth_century (starting the mid-70s - in another post I mentioned America's reputation probably being rightly in the gutter since Vietnam, so that seems like a good place to start)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...-first_century

Both of those lists have alliances with the US, formed since the beginning of the Vietnam war. They also have alliances (such as NORAD) that were formed earlier, but have persisted even after Vietnam.
Well color me embarrassed. I understood you to be claiming that Trump had formed an alliance when all available evidence points to him only destroying existing alliances. Thank you for clearing that up. No question that other presidents and their staffs have managed to form alliances. They have all, for the most part, been somewhat reasonable men.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:15 PM   #2606
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Sounds like you want to make America great again, or something...

That would make a helluva campaign slogan for Dems in 2020, but I hear it's trademarked. Anyway, I don't think we need to be that grandiose -- maybe something simple like "WTF is going on here!?"
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:19 PM   #2607
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That would make a helluva campaign slogan for Dems in 2020, but I hear it's trademarked. Anyway, I don't think we need to be that grandiose -- maybe something simple like "WTF is going on here!?"
Maybe the Dems could use Make America Normal Again..
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:25 PM   #2608
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Maybe the Dems could use Make America Normal Again..

Dibs on "MANA from heaven" for the T-shirts.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:29 PM   #2609
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Well color me embarrassed. I understood you to be claiming that Trump had formed an alliance when all available evidence points to him only destroying existing alliances. Thank you for clearing that up. No question that other presidents and their staffs have managed to form alliances. They have all, for the most part, been somewhat reasonable men.
No need for embarrassment. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. My thesis was that America's reputation has been in the gutter for at least two generations, but that doesn't actually stop other nation-states from reaching agreements, doing business, forming alliances, etc.

Thus:

a) Trump hasn't really ruined our reputation - it was already in the gutter (remember when Barack Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize because of how badly George W. Bush had ruined the country's reputation?).

b) "Ruining the country's reputation" isn't the great disaster some people appear to believe.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:43 PM   #2610
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
No need for embarrassment. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. My thesis was that America's reputation has been in the gutter for at least two generations, but that doesn't actually stop other nation-states from reaching agreements, doing business, forming alliances, etc.

Thus:

a) Trump hasn't really ruined our reputation - it was already in the gutter (remember when Barack Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize because of how badly George W. Bush had ruined the country's reputation?).

b) "Ruining the country's reputation" isn't the great disaster some people appear to believe.
I think the idea of Bush, and perhaps other recent presidents, ruining the country's reputation was largely an idea among Americans themselves due to internal polarized conflicts. I do not think relations between America and other countries were much affected during those presidencies. Agreements made were honored. It was business as usual internationally.

The matter of other countries recognizing that America's international actions are a disaster is something that really has begun with Trump. As other countries realize that agreements made with the US may well not be honored by the US they will become much more wary of anything the US says. This may not be a "disaster" but it cannot be good for your country.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:48 PM   #2611
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I think the idea of Bush, and perhaps other recent presidents, ruining the country's reputation was largely an idea among Americans themselves due to internal polarized conflicts. I do not think relations between America and other countries were much affected during those presidencies. Agreements made were honored. It was business as usual internationally.
I recall a lot of non-Americans on this forum posting much the same "America is now a laughingstock in our country" rhetoric as we're seeing today. I'm not going to bother digging up examples of that, though, so feel free to consider it "unproven" if the claim doesn't sit right with you.
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Old 8th October 2019, 02:54 PM   #2612
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The matter of other countries recognizing that America's international actions are a disaster is something that really has begun with Trump. As other countries realize that agreements made with the US may well not be honored by the US they will become much more wary of anything the US says.
My point is that this has been the case all along, and that other countries are generally not stupid enough to ever imagine that unratified treaties are binding agreements.

I doubt that there are any countries that currently believe the US is likely to renege on a ratified treaty, nor any that believe Trump has reneged on such a treaty.

I think that pretty much every other nation state today understands that unratified agreements are not guaranteed to last, and that all of them are in fact totally okay with that. Largely because I'm pretty sure all of them have similar processes for converting negotiated agreements into binding law for themselves; and I'm pretty sure all of them fully appreciate that an agreement they have negotiated but not ratified does not bind them, and they wouldn't have it any other way. Not for themselves, and not for the US.

This concern about a sitting President backing out of an un-concluded deal seems to be entirely a rhetorical construct of American progressives, in an attempt to create an impression of wrongdoing among low-information voters, in the absence of any actual wrongdoing. There's no reason we need to play along with that game here, but apparently I'm a troll for voicing dissent.

If you want to force the President to abide by his predecessor's agreements, the one and only recourse is for Congress to ratify them. Nobody is entitled to anything more, and I hope the Kurds never believed they were.

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Old 8th October 2019, 03:50 PM   #2613
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So does every president. That's literally their job. Remember all the people, including hundreds of civilians, that President Obama had killed? Not even people that died directly or indirectly from Obama Administration policy. I'm talking just about the thousands of people that President Obama literally ordered killed, in his capacity as Commander in Chief of the armed forces.

Support the Kurds, people are going to die. Don't support the Kurds, people are going to die.
”People are going to die” doesn’t impress me in many arguments. I know you say you are highlighting special pleading, not necessarily defending Trump. So I’m not going to make a moral argument - I’ll look at another angle.

My main point is this; even a minimal U.S. footprint seems to be highly efficient and effective to check Turkey’s ambition to overrun the border area. Why should the U.S. care? People who know more than Trump could see that those few special forces were, among other things, helping to secure 11,000 captured ISIS fighters. It was the least we could do. (Almost literally.) But Trump chose to cut and run *immediately* after one phone call with another head of state. A dictator trying to shore up his own totalitarian grasp on theocracy, but set that aside.

The cork in the dike seemed to be working and Trump pulled out the cork. Unilaterally, or at least as unilaterally as a president can get. Surely he has heard many persuasive arguments that the U.S. presence was on balance good for U.S. national security. For one thing, it matters that the U.S. stands with allies. For another, we have apparently left 11,000 ISIS soldiers and many of their family members in Kurdish prisons or camps with apparently no further U.S. oversight - hence no state is responsible for them. Unless there were reasons he hasn’t stated for the move, it seems highly irrational. Not just to me; to people who know a hell of a lot more about national security than Trump does. Like Graham and McConnell.

Surely this has been explained to Trump many times but he can’t seem to sustain knowledge unless it’s all about him. Trump can’t hold the pieces together unless he’s at the center of the topic.

Now he’s saying WH won’t cooperate with impeachment probe which is an issue he “gets” because it’s all about him.

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Old 8th October 2019, 04:22 PM   #2614
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My point is that this has been the case all along, and that other countries are generally not stupid enough to ever imagine that unratified treaties are binding agreements.
The Kurds have no state; can Congress ratify treaties with freestanding armies?



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I think that pretty much every other nation state today understands that ...
Irrelevant. Kurds have no state.

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... this concern about a sitting President backing out of an un-concluded deal seems to be entirely a rhetorical construct of American progressives ...
... like Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, Jim Mattis? You think no one tried to blame Obama for Iraq falling apart?

There are other bits I wanted to respond do but I’ve snipped too much and I’m on a phone so don’t want to re-create. Snipping was not out of disrespect, just trying for pith.
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Old 8th October 2019, 04:34 PM   #2615
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If you want to force the President to abide by his predecessor's agreements, the one and only recourse is for Congress to ratify them. Nobody is entitled to anything more, and I hope the Kurds never believed they were.
You think street cred doesn’t matter if we’re dealing
with stateless militias? Of course it does. Besides which, Trump was going against his own administration’s policy. He doesn’t know what policy even is, except for his own Trump First policy.
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Old 8th October 2019, 04:57 PM   #2616
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I recall a lot of non-Americans on this forum posting much the same "America is now a laughingstock in our country" rhetoric as we're seeing today. I'm not going to bother digging up examples of that, though, so feel free to consider it "unproven" if the claim doesn't sit right with you.
I would imagine that non-American posters might have a better idea of how the U.S. is regarded in their countries than Americans do.

Also, I don't recall a lot of such claims in Europe or Latin America during the Obama years.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I recall a lot of non-Americans on this forum posting much the same "America is now a laughingstock in our country" rhetoric as we're seeing today. I'm not going to bother digging up examples of that, though, so feel free to consider it "unproven" if the claim doesn't sit right with you.
Yes. However, just days ago, when my son's Ecuadorian mother-in-law was visiting, I asked her what she thought of Trump? She laughed and told me in Spanish that everyone in Ecuador calls him the Clown, and he is the butt of many jokes.
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Old 8th October 2019, 05:58 PM   #2618
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I would imagine that non-American posters might have a better idea of how the U.S. is regarded in their countries than Americans do.

Also, I don't recall a lot of such claims in Europe or Latin America during the Obama years.
Right. Bush: America's reputation is ruined! Obama: Nobel Peace Prize just for not being Bush! Trump: America's reputation is ruined!

And then the example of Trump ruining America's reputation is that he didn't continue a deal negotiated by his predecessor but not ratified by Congress. Even though America's reputation doesn't actually depend on that. Obviously.
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Old 8th October 2019, 06:32 PM   #2619
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It requires but a veritable handful of Americans to keep the Turks from slaughtering Kurds, America's ally. If the US recalled that paltry protective detail and the Turks proceeded to pull another 'Armenian genocide', that would reflect badly on America.

To shrug and say, "Well, there was no signed treaty" is to be cynical to a frightening degree.

There are Iraqis *still* awaiting what was promised them for their cooperation with US forces. That's an already existing stain of dishonor.

Just as the common infantryman fights and sacrifices for his buddy, so too should a nation regard and honor her allies. Turning a back to a loyal friend is, as I've stated, a supreme betrayal. Codified treaty or not.
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It requires but a veritable handful of Americans to keep the Turks from slaughtering Kurds, America's ally. If the US recalled that paltry protective detail and the Turks proceeded to pull another 'Armenian genocide', that would reflect badly on America.

To shrug and say, "Well, there was no signed treaty" is to be cynical to a frightening degree.

There are Iraqis *still* awaiting what was promised them for their cooperation with US forces. That's an already existing stain of dishonor.


Just as the common infantryman fights and sacrifices for his buddy, so too should a nation regard and honor her allies. Turning a back to a loyal friend is, as I've stated, a supreme betrayal. Codified treaty or not.
this is something that will cost US lives next time there is an operation involving lots of ground troops in the Middle East.

Diplomacy is not about treaties - if you can make a treaty, you are obviously already in such tight contact that the actual document is a formality.
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Right. Bush: America's reputation is ruined! Obama: Nobel Peace Prize just for not being Bush! Trump: America's reputation is ruined!
For what it's worth I thought the Nobel prize was ridiculous, too. I don't blame Obama for it, though.

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And then the example of Trump ruining America's reputation is that he didn't continue a deal negotiated by his predecessor but not ratified by Congress. Even though America's reputation doesn't actually depend on that. Obviously.
He wasn't even following his own administration's policy. I won't say HIS policy because he doesn't have any; he literally does not understand the advantages of having a strategy vs. governing out of his own personal whims.

This isn't the thread for it, but I do wonder what you think America's reputation depends on. I would think loyalty to allies matters. It's not whether the Kurds should have trusted the U.S.; it's whether the U.S. should be trustworthy - of course, within the limits of looking after its own interests.

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I recall a lot of non-Americans on this forum posting much the same "America is now a laughingstock in our country" rhetoric as we're seeing today. I'm not going to bother digging up examples of that, though, so feel free to consider it "unproven" if the claim doesn't sit right with you.

Well, over here, i.e. the Danish Realm, we haven't stopped laughing at how offended he got when nobody took his idea of buying Greenland seriously!
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Does anybody know anything about how the aging brain is affected by addiction to uppers?

David Pakman Show: Shocking Pics Confirm Trump's Use of "Uppers" (Oct. 7, 2019):
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I wouldn't go that far.

But I would like to understand how far they trusted us, and what led them to that.

And maybe it *is* their fault that they trusted us. For example, if they understood that President Obama's assurances were not binding on his successors, and that they had no guarantee of continuance without an act of Congress, but chose to hang their fortune on President Obama's deal anyway, without any contingency plan, then that's absolutely on them.

On the other hand, if they didn't understand these nuances of the US system of governance, and thought that shaking hands with Obama made it a done deal in perpetuity, then this must be a rude awakening and probably not their fault at all.

So when I ask "why they were that gullible in the first place", I'm not saying it's their fault. Nor am I even insisting that they were gullible. It's not a rhetorical question. I'm literally wondering how well the Kurds understood the nature of the promises they were getting, and whether they understood that well enough to prepare contingencies for it, and how much of their own understanding isn't actually being reported to us.

This is a brilliant line of thought leading, ultimately, to no other country in the whole world ever cutting any type of deal ever about anything with the USA.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Right. Bush: America's reputation is ruined! Obama: Nobel Peace Prize just for not being Bush! Trump: America's reputation is ruined!

And then the example of Trump ruining America's reputation is that he didn't continue a deal negotiated by his predecessor but not ratified by Congress. Even though America's reputation doesn't actually depend on that. Obviously.
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Does anybody know anything about how the aging brain is affected by addiction to uppers?

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Sudafed? For stuffy nose?

I do know *one* poster here who speaks of having being addicted to antihistamines in his distant past, not to call him out, but that would be Dancing David.

But otherwise, this is hard to take seriously. Sudafed is also used to make meth in illegal cheap preparations, but we're not accusing Trump of doing that.

Am I missing something? Sudafed just isn't really an "upper".
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Sudafed? For stuffy nose?

I do know *one* poster here who speaks of having being addicted to antihistamines in his distant past, not to call him out, but that would be Dancing David.

But otherwise, this is hard to take seriously. Sudafed is also used to make meth in illegal cheap preparations, but we're not accusing Trump of doing that.

Am I missing something? Sudafed just isn't really an "upper".
"the dose makes the poison"
Trump is constantly sniffing when on TV, so his level of self-medication is probably orders of magnitude higher than recommended.
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Am I missing something? Sudafed just isn't really an "upper".

Yes, you are missing something. You are missing that Sudafed can be used as an upper: Pseudoephdrine: Other uses (Wikipedia)
And why did you leave out Adderall? (Wikipedia). Methinks, ...
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Old 9th October 2019, 03:43 AM   #2629
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Yes, you are missing something. You are missing that Sudafed can be used as an upper: Pseudoephdrine: Other uses (Wikipedia)
And why did you leave out Adderall? (Wikipedia). Methinks, ...
I left out Adderall because I didn't watch the whole video, which perhaps I assumed incorrectly was about Sudafed. I just tried to skim it to see if it was click-bait.

No, if we the public have evidence that Trump is taking Adderall, that's different. So, was there evidence? I'm not watching the video again.

I'm making the point that wealthy powerful people are unlikely to abuse silly drugs like Sudafed -- they're going to go with heavy prescription drugs -- think Michael Jackson -- or industrial-strength illegal drugs -- think Jerry Garcia. Trump would be the same.

eta: I read the underwhelming "other uses" in wiki you linked to.
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Old 9th October 2019, 03:52 AM   #2630
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Multiple people from "The Apprentice", wanting to stay anonymous, said that Trump sniffed Adderall constantly.

Also, the Sudafed might have slightly different ingredients, given that it is the UK version.

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Old 9th October 2019, 03:57 AM   #2631
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I left out Adderall because I didn't watch the whole video, which perhaps I assumed incorrectly was about Sudafed. I just tried to skim it to see if it was click-bait.

No, if we the public have evidence that Trump is taking Adderall, that's different. So, was there evidence? I'm not watching the video again.

I'm making the point that wealthy powerful people are unlikely to abuse silly drugs like Sudafed -- they're going to go with heavy prescription drugs -- think Michael Jackson -- or industrial-strength illegal drugs -- think Jerry Garcia. Trump would be the same.

"Again?!" What do you mean? You never watched it in the first place!!!
I don't have the number of Trump's coke and meth dealers, but I can give you this:

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Trump snorted Adderall all thru the day on ‘Apprentice’ he also ate UK. Sudafed like candy. But at night and at parties he switched to cocaine and high-end Methamphetamine that was hand-delivered by Bikers. The point is he was always high. That hasn’t changed.
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Old 9th October 2019, 03:58 AM   #2632
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Multiple people from "The Apprentice", wanting to stay anonymous, said that Trump sniffed Adderall constantly.

Also, the Sudafed might have slightly different ingredients, given that it is the UK version.
Just so we're clear here. I would tend to believe those anecdotes -- if you have multiple people who said they actually saw him snorting something, then he's snorting something serious -- like Adderall. Full stop.

And yes, his erratic behavior does seem like amphetamines could be involved. Full stop.

I just doubt that the picture of Sudafed in his drawer has anything to do with anything.

He doesn't have *everything* wrong with him, like Montgomery Burns.

I do think he's the worst president ever, and I hope he's not re-elected.
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Old 9th October 2019, 04:00 AM   #2633
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Multiple people from "The Apprentice", wanting to stay anonymous, said that Trump sniffed Adderall constantly.

And they say so openly! Does anybody think that Trump wouldn't sue them if it were 'fake news'?!
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Old 9th October 2019, 04:03 AM   #2634
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He doesn't have *everything* wrong with him, like Montgomery Burns.

The addict in chief is still young - unlike Burns:
"In the episode "Fraudcast News", Burns claims that he was born in 1881, making him 123 years old (when the episode aired in 2004)."
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Old 9th October 2019, 04:20 AM   #2635
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The other Trumps as well, apparently:

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3 Things Trump will never acknowledge or deny: He is addicted to snorting Adderall. Melania is a long term roxycodone user. Ivanka & Don Jr were both blackout drinkers, now ‘dry drunks’
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The fact that President Bush's opponents tried to depict him as President Trump before there even was a President Trump does not change the fact that Trump really is Trump. It leaves his opponents with no way to describe the difference without their accurate Trump description sounding exactly like their overblown Bush description, but it doesn't change the facts of reality: it's still a fact that the stuff they said about Bush & Trump is actually perfectly true of Trump. (I once had people at another forum constantly accusing me of being a Bush supporter because I kept pointing out the ways in which their Bush-bashing tirades differed from reality. I can't do that with Trump.)

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Aderall can be sniffed? That's not the form it's normally given to patients by legitimate doctors, is it? If not, why take it in a different form?
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Old 9th October 2019, 04:28 AM   #2637
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This?

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While many Adderall users take the drug as prescribed, others misuse the drug by taking more than the recommended dose or taking it without a prescription. Some users will snort, smoke or inject the drug to achieve a faster, more intense high. Snorting stimulants is the second most common route of administration, other than swallowing, among college students.
Snorting Adderall (drugabuse.com)
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The fact that President Bush's opponents tried to depict him as President Trump before there even was a President Trump does not change the fact that Trump really is Trump. It leaves his opponents with no way to describe the difference without their accurate Trump description sounding exactly like their overblown Bush description, but it doesn't change the facts of reality: it's still a fact that the stuff they said about Bush & Trump is actually perfectly true of Trump. (I once had people at another forum constantly accusing me of being a Bush supporter because I kept pointing out the ways in which their Bush-bashing tirades differed from reality. I can't do that with Trump.)
This X 1,000.

I've heard people misuse the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" metaphor constantly throughout the Trump "Slow Moving Dumpster Fire that Walks Like An Administration" because I am shocked to learn apparently a lot of people when they first heard the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" story somehow managed to come to the conclusion that the moral of that story is either that wolves don't exist or that the boy and the flock deserved to be eaten by them and the people of the village should have stood by and pointed and laughed at him because he deserved it.

Yes I too took the Dems to task early on for trying to deal with Trump when they had already used up all their dramatic language on Bush and basically had nowhere linguistically to go since Bush was already the literal devil, the new Hitler, and was going to destroy democracy, ruin America's reputation forever, and ban dancing in that town from Footloose.

Yes Trump does come across as the literal strawman of George Bush and that does cause some... whatever the emotional equivalent of cognitive dissonance is.

But, and I keep coming back to this, I'm not willing to watch our country go down the drain just to punish the Dems for the unforgivable sin of being over-dramatic.

If spite, whataboutism, and the desire to be the "I told you so" guy weren't put above the actual good of the country for a while that would be just super.
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Old 9th October 2019, 05:56 AM   #2639
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Here's something I hadn't seen before. A physician contends that Trump is displaying symptoms of untreated syphilis:


https://newrepublic.com/article/1407...zarre-behavior

He's on the record saying that avoiding STDs in the `70s was his own personal Vietnam. Maybe he wasn't successful. There was an episode of House in which an elderly woman was exhibiting significant changes in her behavior, and her son thought she was suffering from dementia. It turned out that she had contracted syphilis decades earlier, and the treatment at the time hadn't actually killed the bacteria. Her behavior was because it had become active again and was causing brain damage.
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Old 9th October 2019, 05:58 AM   #2640
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There is something quaint about a Head of State with Syphilis.
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