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Old 6th October 2019, 01:33 PM   #1361
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Thumbs down More inane lying gibberish about Quantum Field Excitations

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Quantum Field Excitations is what unobserved waves are.

If Spacetime is analog ..does that make the Quantum Field digital?
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Quantum field excitations are excitations in a quantum field that are observed particles such as photons and electrons in QFT . !
Quantum field theory
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In theoretical physics, quantum field theory (QFT) is a theoretical framework that combines classical field theory, special relativity, and quantum mechanics[1]:xi and is used to construct physical models of subatomic particles (in particle physics) and quasiparticles (in condensed matter physics).

QFT treats particles as excited states (also called quanta) of their underlying fields, which areóin a senseómore fundamental than the basic particles. Interactions between particles are described by interaction terms in the Lagrangian involving their corresponding fields. Each interaction can be visually represented by Feynman diagrams, which are formal computational tools, in the process of relativistic perturbation theory.
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Old 6th October 2019, 09:24 PM   #1362
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Old 7th October 2019, 04:27 PM   #1363
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I got the all time high score! FYI, it's like a double negative when you get the top score.
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In many idioms, a double negative is an emphatic or vehement negative.
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Old 7th October 2019, 04:34 PM   #1365
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I got the all time high score! FYI, it's like a double negative when you get the top score.
Gibberish about 152 + 1 items of ignorance, fantasy and delusion by pittsburghjoe since the beginning of this thread.

A "top score" in ignorance, fantasy and delusion is not something be proud of.
ETA: As far as "top scores" are concerned, he is at the bottom of the ignorance, fantasy and delusion score board. We have some winners here with thousands of deluded posts in decade old threads. 153 items is rather pathetic compared to their records!

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Old 8th October 2019, 05:32 PM   #1366
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Apparently, there is something called a "matter field". I wonder if this has something to do with this state of physicality business.
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Old 8th October 2019, 05:52 PM   #1367
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Exclamation A matter field has nothing to do with a "state of physicality" delusion

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Apparently, there is something called a "matter field". I wonder if this has something to do with this state of physicality business.
9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: A matter field has nothing to do with a "state of physicality" delusion.

A matter field is a QFT field whose excitations describe matter particles!
In QED, "matter" is physical electrons and positrons.
In QCD, "matter" is physical quarks.
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Old 8th October 2019, 06:02 PM   #1368
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Pretty sure you are saying it has everything to do my state theory.
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Pretty sure you are saying it has everything to do my state theory.
9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: "Pretty sure you are saying it has everything to do my state theory" delusion when my post was clear that matter fields are about physical matter such as electrons.
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Old 8th October 2019, 06:53 PM   #1370
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um, yeah, "physical" and "physicality" are one and the same??? bizarre
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um, yeah, "physical" and "physicality" are one and the same??? bizarre
9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Physical/physicality ignorance when matter is physical and his delusion is "state of physicality".

The adjective physical is not the same as the noun physicality !
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1 the physical attributes of a person, especially when overdeveloped or overemphasized.
2 preoccupation with one's body, physical needs, or appetites.

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Old 8th October 2019, 07:31 PM   #1372
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I can start saying the state of matter from the matter field determines if a particle will be physical in flight.
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Old 8th October 2019, 07:42 PM   #1373
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Now you're making this up as you go.
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Old 8th October 2019, 07:47 PM   #1374
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Exclamation Putting a "state of physicality" delusion in different words leaves the delusion

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I can start saying....
9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Putting a "state of physicality" delusion in different words leaves the delusion.
The delusion is stating particles such as elections exist or not according to your whims. Once an electron exists it is physical until something destroys it, e.g. meeting a positron. Ditto for other particles.

You can say whatever fantasies you like about the matter field, it is still nothing to do with your delusions.
9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: A matter field has nothing to do with a "state of physicality" delusion.

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Old 9th October 2019, 12:28 AM   #1375
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Now you're making this up as you go.
Now?
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Old 9th October 2019, 08:40 AM   #1376
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pittsburghjoe: I may have missed it, but what experimental tests, of your ideas, have you proposed?

Tests which should have results unambiguously different from what is expected, per textbook QM/QFT.
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Occam was rolled on the way to his car and left unconscious with empty pockets in a side alley.
He's luck he didn't get his throat cut.
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:12 AM   #1378
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pittsburghjoe: I may have missed it, but what experimental tests, of your ideas, have you proposed?

Tests which should have results unambiguously different from what is expected, per textbook QM/QFT.
Set up a tunneling experiment and a double slit with opposite polarizers where the particle exits the barrier and then have a final panel. If I'm correct, you should not get any results on the final panel. The particle would be physical due to the double slit and would never tunnel.
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Set up a tunneling experiment and a double slit with opposite polarizers where the particle exits the barrier and then have a final panel. If I'm correct, you should not get any results on the final panel. The particle would be physical due to the double slit and would never tunnel.
Thanks!

Would you please say more?

For example, could you please sketch the key parts of such an experiment, say particle source, where the tunneling happens (in relation to the double slit), where the polarizers are, and what sort of thing the final panel is.
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:44 AM   #1380
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You just combine existing experiments. You would want to verify the experiment is capable of tunneling before setting up the double slit.


So the quantum field is actually several fields combined. Is the Matter Field the key/hook/bridge to spacetime? The state of this matter field would be the part of the quantum field that is instantaneous (all time, all the time). Is the Matter Field being added to make something physical or is it a variable setting that is always part of the components?

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Old 9th October 2019, 09:48 AM   #1381
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Now you're making this up as you go.
"Now."
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Old 9th October 2019, 09:50 AM   #1382
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Pretty sure you are saying it has everything to do my state theory.
It has everything to do with a state theory. Just not yours. Mainly because you don't actually have a theory yet.
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:04 AM   #1383
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Unobserved(stateless | unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(Matter Field | physical) = Spacetime(GR)
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:16 AM   #1384
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The Matter Field is likely always with the quantum fields and the object in question because an experiment that causes a double state change in the path results in the matter state going back to an Off state. It acts like a binary on/off switch.
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@pittsburghjoe, could you please paraphrase your latest post? That is, could you please express the same ideas in different words? Thanks.
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:17 PM   #1386
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You might want to go back to post #1300 to get up to speed. I was questing in post #1380 if a Matter Field is added/assigned to an object or if it's always with it. I'm now saying it's always with it, but the state of it acts like an on/off switch. An experiment that causes a double state change would be one that is said to be erasing the which way path info.
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Old 9th October 2019, 01:19 PM   #1387
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Thumbs down A deluded "tunneling + double slit experiment" and the persistent "physical" delusion

Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
Set up a tunneling experiment and a double slit with opposite polarizers where the particle exits the barrier and then have a final panel. If I'm correct, you should not get any results on the final panel. The particle would be physical due to the double slit and would never tunnel.
10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: A deluded "tunneling + double slit experiment" and the persistent "physical" delusion
Physical particles tunnel so a tunneling experiment will pass particles that are physically the same as any other particles. These will go through the slits and produce an interference pattern like any other physical particles !

ETA: A part of this delusion is that anyone will ever do his vague experiment when no one with the needed knowledge or resources knows about his delusions. If an appropriate person did find his fantasies, they will read his many ignorant delusions and that pittsburghjoe is just making things up. A fundamental part of science is that it is expressed coherently enough and is valid enough so that more than 1 person can make predications. Incoherent, ignorant fantasies from 1 person are not predictions in science.

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You just combine existing experiments. You would want to verify the experiment is capable of tunneling before setting up the double slit.
A bit of "combine existing experiments" ignorance. Tunneling is not really an experiment - it is a established technology. Too simply put: Take a existing electron double slit experiment. Replace the source of physical electrons with maybe a modified tunnel diode also emitting physical electrons. Get the same results !

But a real scientific experiment is more than vague descriptions. He needs to read some experimental physics papers or even about high school science experiments! The specific equipment needed for the experiment is the minimum requirement for an experiment. There is setting up the equipment. There is calibrating the equipment. There is using science (not imagination) to predict the results of the experiment. There is what analysis of the results will be done. Then there is the experiment !

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So the quantum field is actually several fields combined. Is the Matter Field the key/hook/bridge to spacetime? ...
10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Gibberish and lies about the matter field for physical particles and spacetime.
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Exclamation Repeats his 'apples + rocks = unicorns' delusion yet again

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The Matter Field ....
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Old 9th October 2019, 01:39 PM   #1391
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What the OP is trying to do here is establish a hierarchy of matrices, ascending always into greater and greater realms of dichotomy: either or, neither nor, futurity, or what you will. And that's about the point we've reached up to until now, although.
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I was questing in post #1380...
10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Lies about his gibberish in post #1380 about the matter field when he has been told that it is nothing to do with his delusions.

There is no "questing" in that post. There is deluded gibberish about the QFT matter field for the physical particles of matter (electrons, etc.).
The matter field is the QFT quantum field for the physical particles of matter as he has been told a few times. Electrons, etc. are excitations of the matter field .
QFT has spacetime !
"the quantum field that is instantaneous (all time, all the time)" gibberish.
More deluded and ignorant gibberish about the matter field.

A matter field is not his "added/assigned to an object" delusion. It is a field!
A matter field is not his "on/off switch" delusion. It is a field!

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Exclamation 12 items of ignorance, fantasy and delusion by pittsburghjoe 7-10 October 2019

  1. 7 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: More inane lying gibberish about Quantum Field Excitations
  2. 9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: A matter field has nothing to do with a "state of physicality" delusion.
  3. 9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: "Pretty sure you are saying it has everything to do my state theory" delusion when my post was clear that matter fields are about physical matter such as electrons.
  4. 9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Physical/physicality ignorance when matter is physical and his delusion is "state of physicality".
  5. 9 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Putting a "state of physicality" delusion in different words leaves the delusion.
  6. 10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: A deluded "tunneling + double slit experiment" and the persistent "physical" delusion
  7. 10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Gibberish and lies about the matter field for physical particles and spacetime.
  8. 10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Repeats his 'apples + rocks = unicorns' delusion yet again.
  9. 10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Repeats his new delusions on the matter field for physical particles.
  10. 10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Lies about his gibberish in post #1380 about the matter field when he has been told that it is nothing to do with his delusions.
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  11. 10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "physical barrier an atom thick" delusion to make his experiment impossible!
  12. 10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Obvious insanity that QFT would function without spacetime.

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Old 9th October 2019, 01:57 PM   #1394
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You just combine existing experiments. You would want to verify the experiment is capable of tunneling before setting up the double slit.

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Thanks!

Would you please give a specific example?

What particle(s)? What source? How - specifically - would tunneling be demonstrated?
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Ideally, you would randomly have electrons tunneling through a physical barrier an atom thick. They will exit the barrier close to the same spot. Place a normal double slit experiment here with the polarizers in place to trigger a state change. I don't care what your final panel is made of as long as it can detect electrons hitting it.

QFT is assuming spacetime is involved. It doesn't actually need it to function.
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Ideally, you would randomly have electrons tunneling through a physical barrier an atom thick ...
10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: A "physical barrier an atom thick" delusion to make his experiment impossible!

A barrier that is an atom thick is essentially no barrier at all. Atoms are mostly empty space. Electrons tunnel through barriers many, many atoms thick e.g. a tunnel diode.
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a wall of atoms set to the width of whatever the wave function says would be impressive to pass through.
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QFT is assuming spacetime is involved. It doesn't actually need it to function.
10 October 2019 pittsburghjoe: Obvious insanity that QFT would function without spacetime.

All physics requires spacetime. That is how particles get positions, etc. That is how waves get wavelengths, etc. No spacetime = no physics !

QFT is a special relativistic theory and needs a specific kind of spacetime. Without Minkowski spacetime, no special relativistic effects are possible.
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Old 9th October 2019, 04:03 PM   #1399
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Well, no physics ! ..that we can observe.
Fields don't need points in spacetime. An xyz point is just fine. Just say it's a point in the quantum field as a whole.

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Ideally, you would randomly have electrons tunneling through a physical barrier an atom thick. They will exit the barrier close to the same spot. Place a normal double slit experiment here with the polarizers in place to trigger a state change. I don't care what your final panel is made of as long as it can detect electrons hitting it.
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Thanks!

So this experiment would need to be done in a vacuum, right?

The polarizers would be located between the physical barrier and the slits, right?

What would be between the slits and the final panel, if anything?
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