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Old 13th June 2016, 03:16 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Julian Assange told UK TV yesterday that they have leaks pending publication regarding Clinton. He also said, though, that he thinks the chance of indictment is 0%. WikiLeaks found it relevant to tweet today that the Clinton campaign HQ is in the same building a few floors below Lynch's office.

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Is Assange still hiding out from rape charges in that embassy?
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Old 13th June 2016, 03:29 PM   #202
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Is Assange still hiding out from rape charges in that embassy?
What, a sweetheart like Assange?

"The WikiLeaks founder has been confined to the Ecuadorian embassy in London since July 2012, when he sought asylum to avoid extradition. Assange is wanted in Sweden over allegations of rape dating from 2010, which he denies, but he has not been charged.

A Stockholm district court upheld an arrest warrant against the Australian last month, saying there was still “probable cause for suspicion” against him.
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http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...julian-assange
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Old 13th June 2016, 03:32 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
What, a sweetheart like Assange?

"The WikiLeaks founder has been confined to the Ecuadorian embassy in London since July 2012, when he sought asylum to avoid extradition. Assange is wanted in Sweden over allegations of rape dating from 2010, which he denies, but he has not been charged.

A Stockholm district court upheld an arrest warrant against the Australian last month, saying there was still “probable cause for suspicion” against him.
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http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...julian-assange
and to answer the question, yep he is still there.

Solid attempt to derail, tho, Tony.
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Old 13th June 2016, 03:33 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by 16.5 View Post
and to answer the question, yep he is still there.

Solid attempt to derail, tho, Tony.
The stuff he's going to leak will probably be politically damaging, but not contain any real bombshells.
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Old 13th June 2016, 03:38 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
The stuff he's going to leak will probably be politically damaging, but not contain any real bombshells.
I am curious if it is more emails that Hillary did not produce to the State Department because they were "personal." We already know she lied about turning over all work related emails (see eg, the two emails discussed in the State IG report) like maybe some emails relating to the Chicago Flash Trader see installed on an intelligence panel??

pay for play, yo, it is the Chicago Way
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Old 13th June 2016, 06:22 PM   #206
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Because it was on her server, that would make my de facto initial thought that an email doesn't contain classified data.
Your initial thought has been proven wrong. Strangely, that doesn't seem to have made you reconsider anything.

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It doesn't have all of the markings a classified document should.
Again, that doesn't let Hillary off the hook.

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Perhaps someone lifted out the non-classified parts and sent that, believing it was not classified, and it was later deemed classified during an over-zealous review.
It's not "someone". It's Monica Hanley. If she had access to classified info without training, that's a major problem, and her boss (guess who that is) needs to answer for that. If she had training, then she should have known it was classified. But it doesn't really matter: Hillary received it marked classified.

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It doesn't change my opinion of the big picture
Of course not. Nothing will.

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But shouldn't matter to most of the HDS sufferers in the thread - they have been calling Clinton a congenital liar since before they knew she had an email server.
Well, they weren't wrong. And subsequent events have proven them even more right. Whereas you were, by your own admission, caught off guard. You apparently believed her when she said that she didn't have classified info on her server. But she lied. You apparently believed her when she said it wasn't classified when it was sent. But she lied. You apparently believed her when she said nothing was marked as classified. But she lied.

Will you ever learn? The evidence so far is no.
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Old 13th June 2016, 06:34 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
Is Assange still hiding out from rape charges in that embassy?
Poisoning the well, or ad hom?
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Old 14th June 2016, 07:28 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
I have none. I just know that you can't always disbelieve someone like Guccifer. Probably he's lying. But it would be better for Clinton if he hadn't bragged at all. Because now there's a little bit of doubt: what if he is telling the truth?
If he were he would have mentioned it before or released some of the information he found on her server. He did that with every other hacking job he performed with repetition. He released Blumenthal's emails which showed Hillary had a server, and he released **** from Bush's email. As stated here:

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...his intrusion into computer accounts belonging to members of former president George W. Bush's family produced self-portraits by Bush that Lazar sent to news organizations.

He also obtained e-mails from Sidney Blumenthal, a former adviser to Hillary Clinton. Their disclosure online revealed that she had a private e-mail address, when eventually led the FBI to investigate whether classified information was mishandled

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But Lazar refused to show any of the material he said he found on the Clinton server, and federal investigators said they have found no evidence to back up his claim.
Again, it might produce some doubt for you, I can't imagine how, but it doesn't do anything for me. Completely unsubstantiated claims with nothing to back it up.
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Old 14th June 2016, 08:07 AM   #209
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Will you ever learn? The evidence so far is no.
Learn what ... That I've been right all along ? You will learn that soon enough.
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Old 14th June 2016, 08:10 AM   #210
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Learn what ... That I've been right all along ? You will learn that soon enough.
That's a strange thing to say, right after admitting you were wrong.
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Learn what ... That I've been right all along ? You will learn that soon enough.
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Court Order Characterizes FBI Investigation as Criminal

Judicial Watch today announced that a court order was issued by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan requiring the testimony of Bryan Pagliano, the Clinton State Department IT official who reportedly provided support for the Clinton email system, be videotaped during his upcoming deposition and that the transcript be made public, but the Judge ALLOWED the request that the immunity agreement he signed be filed under seal.

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Mr. Pagliano and the government object to disclosure of the immunity agreement. Indeed, the privacy interests at stake are high because the government’s criminal investigation through which Mr. Pagliano received limited immunity is ongoing and confidential. Mr. Pagliano’s immunity agreement with the government was filed with the Court by Mr. Pagliano solely to enable the Court to assess the legitimacy of his intent to assert his Fifth Amendment rights in this civil proceeding.
The Judge also ordered State to turn over the previously undisclosed documents mentioned in the IG Report.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-r...ess-testimony/

Good Job Judicial Watch!
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Old 14th June 2016, 12:28 PM   #213
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Judicial Watch today announced that a court order was issued by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan requiring the testimony of Bryan Pagliano, the Clinton State Department IT official who reportedly provided support for the Clinton email system, be videotaped during his upcoming deposition and that the transcript be made public, but the Judge ALLOWED the request that the immunity agreement he signed be filed under seal.

The Judge ordered:



The Judge also ordered State to turn over the previously undisclosed documents mentioned in the IG Report.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-r...ess-testimony/

Good Job Judicial Watch!
Judge Sullivan’s “minute order” states:
(1) Mr. Pagliano’s … Motion for a Protective Order is DENIED. Consistent with the Court’s May 26, 2016 Minute Order and the treatment of all other deponents, Mr. Pagliano’s deposition shall be videotaped and the audiovisual of his deposition shall be sealed until further order of the Court; (2) Mr. Pagliano’s … Motion for Leave to File Under Seal is GRANTED; Mr. Pagliano’s immunity agreement with the Department of Justice shall be sealed

So ... Judge decides JW doesn't get need to see the immunity agreement, and the public doesn't need to see the deposition of Pagliano refusing to answer anything.

What a win. Huzzah
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Old 14th June 2016, 03:25 PM   #214
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Remember when Hillary was claiming that the FBI's investigation was a "routine security review"?

The Judge that saw her cowboy server wrangler's immunity agreement called it a:

Criminal Investigation
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Remember when Hillary was claiming that the FBI's investigation was a "routine security review"?

The Judge that saw her cowboy server wrangler's immunity agreement called it a:

Criminal Investigation
Yes, a judge, a press secretary ... everyone but the FBI themselves.

Huzzah
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But when asked Wednesday by Fox News about Clinton's characterization of the bureau's probe, FBI Director James Comey said he doesn’t know what "security inquiry" means -- adding, “We’re conducting an investigation. … That’s what we do.”

The FBI director reiterated that he’s “not familiar with the term security inquiry” when told that is the phrase Clinton has used.
To summarize? The White House, the FBI and the Judiciary have refuted Hillary's lies about it being a "security review" or " security inquiry."

What a *********** clown she is.
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Woo! We got someone to say "criminal"! Victory! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

And we got Obama to say "Radical Islam".... twice! We win!


Well, yeah, true we got our motion quashed... and Trump's still running third to a dog catcher from Dubuque.... but hey, We Won! ..... 'Cuz we have something totally insignificant to harp on for the eight years of the Clinton Administration to come.
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Old 15th June 2016, 06:29 AM   #219
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Woo! We got someone to say "criminal"! Victory! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

And we got Obama to say "Radical Islam".... twice! We win!


Well, yeah, true we got our motion quashed... and Trump's still running third to a dog catcher from Dubuque.... but hey, We Won! ..... 'Cuz we have something totally insignificant to harp on for the eight years of the Clinton Administration to come.
Not worth it.
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Maybe today will be the day Hillary is finally dragged off in handcuffs by the FBI.

LOL
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Maybe today will be the day Hillary is finally dragged off in handcuffs by the FBI.

LOL
I think the term you are looking for is "frogmarched"
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Not worth it.
Apparently not.

But wait.....

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Gasp! You DELETED something? What could be in that deleted text? We better get the Gowdy Committee on that. That could be the proof that you're really Sid Blumenthal and here to destroy the GOP. Or maybe the long form of your birth certificate proving that you're the product of a mad night of love between Glenn Beck and Richard Daley.

Just asking questions. Questioners have the rights to answers, correct?
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Woo! We got someone to say "criminal"! Victory! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

And we got Obama to say "Radical Islam".... twice! We win!


Well, yeah, true we got our motion quashed... and Trump's still running third to a dog catcher from Dubuque.... but hey, We Won! ..... 'Cuz we have something totally insignificant to harp on for the eight years of the Clinton Administration to come.
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Apparently not.

But wait.....



Gasp! You DELETED something? What could be in that deleted text? We better get the Gowdy Committee on that. That could be the proof that you're really Sid Blumenthal and here to destroy the GOP. Or maybe the long form of your birth certificate proving that you're the product of a mad night of love between Glenn Beck and Richard Daley.

Just asking questions. Questioners have the rights to answers, correct?
These types of posts come across as poor rather than witty. Maybe it's just me but just an FYI I guess.
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These types of posts come across as poor rather than witty. Maybe it's just me but just an FYI I guess.
You're absolutely right. It's just you.
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You're absolutely right. It's just you.
Can confirm.
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These types of posts come across as poor rather than witty. Maybe it's just me but just an FYI I guess.
That the wit comes from the cook having to eat his own cooking, I can understand your objection, Chef Animus.
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
These types of posts come across as poor rather than witty. Maybe it's just me but just an FYI I guess.
It is not just you.
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
These types of posts come across as poor rather than witty. Maybe it's just me but just an FYI I guess.
it's not just you they're really bad, but surprisingly consistent
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You're absolutely right. It's just you.
There is really no way to say something like that without it feeling like an attack, even when that wasn't the intention.

I think most people here would like their posts to be high quality or respectable or however we'd like to phrase it, but sometimes it's hard for us to judge our own posts.

Obviously your posting is up to you, so if that's the kind of posting you want then keep on truckin
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Can confirm.
I'll also confirm.
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For comic relief:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...rivate-emails/

Sources: Russian Government Intercepted and Will Release Hillary’s Emails

WASHINGTON DC – Sources are reporting that the Russian government is prepared to release private emails that it obtained from Hillary Clinton’s email server, proving Clinton allowed classified information to end up in the hands of foreign adversaries.

Intelligence sources are bracing for the Russian release of Clinton’s intercepted emails, according to a report in the trade publication Oilprice.com:
Reliable intelligence sources in the West have indicated that warnings had been received that the Russian Government could in the near future release the text of email messages intercepted from U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s private e-mail server from the time she was U.S. Secretary of State. The release would, the messaging indicated, prove that Secretary Clinton had, in fact, laid open U.S. secrets to foreign interception by putting highly-classified Government reports onto a private server in violation of U.S. law, and that, as suspected, the server had been targeted and hacked by foreign intelligence services.
So they will release them, are prepared to release them, and could in the near future release the text of email messages.

It's like a game of telephone, all in the same article

Personally, I won't be holding my breath waiting for any of this to be validated.
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
There is really no way to say something like that without it feeling like an attack, even when that wasn't the intention.

I think most people here would like their posts to be high quality or respectable or however we'd like to phrase it, but sometimes it's hard for us to judge our own posts.

Obviously your posting is up to you, so if that's the kind of posting you want then keep on truckin
You seem to have mistaken me for Pollyanna and Gandhi's child. Yes, it was an attack - - of the contents, not the member. If I post meaningless nit-picking blather like that, I'd expect to be called out on it, too.

No one looks at this crap with a critical eye? Well, no one lined up on the witch hunting team, that's for certain. A White House aide says "criminal" and that's twisted for a series of posts into "Obama said "criminal". And we're supposed to accept that that was an error? It was intentional distortion IMHO.

The larger issue is the extreme effort being given to this. No news? Let's go cherry pick something and bump the thread. A civil court judge uses the word? A ha! Look what I found! Come back when the FBI says "it's a criminal investigation"... or the AG/DoJ. You guys are just filling time because apparently it would kill you to just shut up and wait.

It's partisan nonsense. It's ridiculous and it merits ridicule.
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White House aide.

Shake my *********** head.
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Originally Posted by 16.5 View Post
White House aide.

Shake my *********** head.
Shake it, don't break it. What you ought to be doing is bowing it in shame.

White House something or another. Big deal. Oooh.... the president's spokesperson said "criminal". He mis-spoke, has never supported that idea, but you truthers have a "gotcha" moment. Maybe you'll start plugging for a "new independent investigation" or a "citizen's grand jury".

Remember the good old days when we all made fun of silly quote-mining of crazy-assed theories? "He said Pull It!" "Oooh, here's more people who heard explosions!"
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Hillary's Website Lies

Hillary's FAQ about her email scandal says:

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Is Department of Justice conducting a criminal inquiry into Clinton’s email use?

No. As the Department of Justice and Inspectors General made clear, the IGs made a security referral. This was not criminal in nature as misreported by some in the press. The Department of Justice is now seeking assurances about the storage of materials related to Clinton’s email account.
What a liar.
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Hillary's FAQ about her email scandal says:
Is Department of Justice conducting a criminal inquiry into Clinton’s email use?

No. As the Department of Justice and Inspectors General made clear, the IGs made a security referral. This was not criminal in nature as misreported by some in the press. The Department of Justice is now seeking assurances about the storage of materials related to Clinton’s email account.


What a liar.
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/s...ly_24_2015.pdf

IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to the appropriate IC security officials.


Seems correct to me.

Please provide your evidence the Department of Justice conducting a criminal inquiry.
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Judicial watch has filed a motion in its FOIA lawsuit seeking Hillary's deposition, soon as they post it I will provide a copy.

The motion will be heard by Judge Sullivan. I suspect that if and when Hillary takes the Fifth he might be sympathetic given his recent order stating:

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Indeed, the privacy interests at stake are high because the government’s criminal investigation through which Mr. Pagliano received limited immunity is ongoing and confidential.
Corrupt Hillary taking the 5th? Win-win.
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https://oig.state.gov/system/files/s...ly_24_2015.pdf

IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to the appropriate IC security officials.


Seems correct to me.

Please provide your evidence the Department of Justice conducting a criminal inquiry.
Seriously, now. The FBI is investigating whether or not there is enough evidence to file criminal charges. That is a criminal investigation. How is this at all confusing?
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Seriously, now. The FBI is investigating whether or not there is enough evidence to file criminal charges. That is a criminal investigation. How is this at all confusing?
What's confusing is when responding to a request for evidence you don't supply any. It seems so obvious to so many, you'd think it would take seconds to provide some.

I'll be clear (again), I don't care what kind of investigation it is. If it results in an indictment or charges, so be it, let the chips fall where they may.
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Seriously, now. The FBI is investigating whether or not there is enough evidence to file criminal charges. That is a criminal investigation. How is this at all confusing?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-email/447648/

A spokeswoman for I. Charles McCullough, III, the intelligence community IG, said he sent a referral to the FBI earlier this month.

"The letter IC IG sent to FBI earlier this month was a counterintelligence referral indicating there is a compromise of classified national security information in former Sec. Clinton's emails. The emails exist on a at least one private server and thumb drive and that was the counterintelligence information concern we referred to the FBI," said spokesman Andrea Williams in an email.

A Justice Department official said Friday that "The Department has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information. It is not a criminal referral."


Although it's definitely not a criminal referral, it's a criminal investigation ?
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