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Old 6th September 2017, 08:59 PM   #281
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I find it perfectly plausible, in fact even highly likely to be true, because I've been in that place. In my slobbish, uncaring youth, I have disposed of all manner or rubbish carelessly; out the window of a car or a bus, out the second story window of my Uni lodgings, and I'll bet I have even thrown a banana peel into a tree (better than leaving it on the footpath where someone might slip on it.)
Fair enough. I chuck apple cores well off the path, it is much quicker and easier than hanging them in trees. The peel would likely fall from the tree eventually and back on the path, so I don't see the benefit, but whatever.

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Again, fair enough. Except you said there was no way he could ever have been found out. I'll bet you could imagine ways he could be found out, even without an eyewitness. But unimportant, really.

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If you have evidence he was seen, post it.
I began with 'perhaps' and ended with 'speculation, your honor...sustained'. Does this really need further qualifying?

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Old 6th September 2017, 09:10 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Depends on your definition of healthy.

For the purposes of jury selection, I'd want healthy to include "not prone to override objective reason." Save the emotions and empathy for the sentencing phase. I'm down with that.

But emotionally derived verdicts are dangerous. Going the other way, and decontextualized a bit, it's the same reason so many rapists walk free. Tear into the sordid relationship details of the victim and suddenly there's a juror or two who want to punish that ex-girlfriend from 10 years ago who was "a real ***** that one time..."

But that falls back on the same problem we're having with public policy and politics. Emotions lead reason, narratives override facts, etc.

ETA: I'd also like to say thanks that despite our initial combativeness, we've spiraled into that part of the discussion where we have more we agree on than disagree. Which is what would have been nice to have happen at the retreat these kids went to.

Conflict resolution skills, social trust, the ability to begrudgingly work along people you dislike without blowing up into existential moral crises, all are sorely lacking these days
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You know, in the context of this thread, that is a great observation. Honestly hearing the other party out, even in disagreement, instead of trying to find fault with them. The Ol' Miss crew certainly could take a leaf from that book, as you say.
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Old 6th September 2017, 09:17 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by MostlyDead View Post
Fair enough. I chuck apple cores well off the path, it is much quicker and easier than hanging them in trees. The peel would likely fall from the tree eventually and back on the path, so I don't see the benefit, but whatever.
I submit that a banana skin hung in a tree will likely dry out. One on a footpath or a grassed area will remain damp and become slimy and someone could slip on it.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I submit that a banana skin hung in a tree will likely dry out. One on a footpath or a grassed area will remain damp and become slimy and someone could slip on it.
Again, fair enough. I can flick a peach pit twenty feet away from a path without breaking a stride, so I still don't entirely buy 'alternate waste disposal' as a reasonable explanation, but you also said earlier that teens do careless/screwy things, and that is certainly true. FWIW, and I doubt it's much, I concede that his explanation is plausible enough.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
ETA: I'd also like to say thanks that despite our initial combativeness, we've spiraled into that part of the discussion where we have more we agree on than disagree. Which is what would have been nice to have happen at the retreat these kids went to.

Conflict resolution skills, social trust, the ability to begrudgingly work along people you dislike without blowing up into existential moral crises, all are sorely lacking these days.
Ironically, the banana peel incident derailed the activities that were supposed to foster skills to manage things like the banana peel incident.

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Old 6th September 2017, 10:40 PM   #286
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I submit that a banana skin hung in a tree will likely dry out. One on a footpath or a grassed area will remain damp and become slimy and someone could slip on it.
Ah-ha, but what color will it turn when it dries out?

DO YOU SEE IT?!?!

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Old 7th September 2017, 12:59 AM   #287
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Don’t ask me to fully understand the thought process of racists but it seems to go something along the lines of monkeys eat banana and African are more like monkeys than humans. It doesn’t seem like this “logic” depends on any particular presentation of a banana, eg throwing one on the ice when there was a black hockey player in the game was another use of bananas as a racist prop.
But that's still bananas.
Not banana peel.
That's the bit I've never seen.

Or was it peel they threw onto the ice (I could sort of see that)?
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Ah-ha, but what color will it turn when it dries out?

DO YOU SEE IT?!?!

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Dark..... er..... brown?
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Old 7th September 2017, 05:53 AM   #289
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But that's still bananas.
Not banana peel.
That's the bit I've never seen.

Or was it peel they threw onto the ice (I could sort of see that)?
You are grasping at straws. There is no reason a for a banana peal to hold different symbolism than a banana to these people.
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Old 7th September 2017, 06:10 AM   #290
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
You are grasping at straws. There is no reason a for a banana peal to hold different symbolism than a banana to these people.
"These people"? Wow, I had no idea you were such a giant racist!
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It appears that the kid threw it in the tree because, as has been said, he didn't see a garbage can near by. It would have been dangerous to just drop it on the ground as I can personally attest to.
When I was kid in the 60s my friends and I could not make the banana peel gag work outdoors no matter how hard we tried.

The Mythbusters took on this topic. http://mentalfloss.com/article/31135...-comedy-staple
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Therefore unless you are talking about a well rotted many days old slimy peel, your personal anecdote of the dangers of banana peels does not ring true to me.
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Old 7th September 2017, 06:32 AM   #292
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
You are grasping at straws. There is no reason a for a banana peal to hold different symbolism than a banana to these people.
It's not grasping at straws when there would be a major difference between finding a banana stuck in a tree (other than an actual, you know, banana tree) and a banana peel. The latter has an explanation that, though some find it odd, is not unheard of.

That's why the earlier event was bananas with nooses, and not peel.
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Originally Posted by paulhutch View Post
When I was kid in the 60s my friends and I could not make the banana peel gag work outdoors no matter how hard we tried.

The Mythbusters took on this topic. http://mentalfloss.com/article/31135...-comedy-staple


Therefore unless you are talking about a well rotted many days old slimy peel, your personal anecdote of the dangers of banana peels does not ring true to me.
I just had knee surgery. I'll do extensive experiments once I'm recovered.
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Originally Posted by paulhutch View Post
When I was kid in the 60s my friends and I could not make the banana peel gag work outdoors no matter how hard we tried.

The Mythbusters took on this topic. http://mentalfloss.com/article/31135...-comedy-staple


Therefore unless you are talking about a well rotted many days old slimy peel, your personal anecdote of the dangers of banana peels does not ring true to me.
One of the few episodes I didn't agree with. When I was a lot larger I spent a week off my feet due to a banana peel. It's nit a landmine but it is dangerous.
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You are grasping at straws. There is no reason a for a banana peal to hold different symbolism than a banana to these people.
Err, I hope you understand that the meme here is a banana hanging from a tree branch with a hangman's noose around its neck. The latter part is the real symbolism here, not the banana itself.

http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

Lynching is a key historical part of that meme and is much more widely known than the "banana~monkeys" meme. Lynching was associated with American racial unrest during the 1950s and ’60s, when civil rights workers and advocates were threatened and in some cases killed by mobs.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Err, I hope you understand that the meme here is a banana hanging from a tree branch with a hangman's noose around its neck. The latter part is the real symbolism here, not the banana itself.

http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

Lynching is a key historical part of that meme and is much more widely known than the "banana~monkeys" meme. Lynching was associated with American racial unrest during the 1950s and ’60s, when civil rights workers and advocates were threatened and in some cases killed by mobs.
A banana has a neck?
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A banana has a neck?


Well, what would you call it... a tear tab?
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/yzr3bo7jzk...lynch.png?dl=1

Well, what would you call it... a tear tab?
That's what Ray Comfort calls it.
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That's what Ray Comfort calls it.
You'll forgive me if I don't take anything he says as a recommendation!!

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ETA: Look, I just have to step in here and recommend RationalWiki as one of the funniest educational/debunking sites on the internet. It does a great job to pisstaking creationists and conspiracy theorists, with some subtle (and not so subtle) humour.

The entry on Ray Comfort's banana theory of ID

The argument for the banana being designed is based on the following characteristics:

The banana is shaped to fit into the human hand.
It comes with a protective, non-slip surface to hold, which is also biodegradable and sits "gracefully" over the human hand.
It is curved towards the face for ease of consumption and does not squirt in one's face during the act.
There is a "pull tab" at the "top" for easy access.
It has a simple colour code to show ripeness: Green; too early. Yellow; just right. Black; too late.


And from the entry on Ray Comfort himself

Ray Comfort is disappointingly a creationist, not a soft-core porn star or at least the owner of a chain of casual restaurants inevitably located off interstate exits.
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Well, what would you call it... a tear tab?
'Round these parts we call that there part of the 'nanner the, "stem".
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'Round these parts we call that there part of the 'nanner the, "stem".
Actually, the stem is part of the banana tree itself, not its fruit.

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Actually, the stem is part of the banana tree itself, not its fruit.

http://www.promusa.org/Morphology+of+banana+plant
It's probably most correct to call it a pedicel.
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I just had knee surgery. I'll do extensive experiments once I'm recovered.
No need.
Surely there is sufficient knee jerking regarding the topic as there is?
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Actually, the stem is part of the banana tree itself, not its fruit.

http://www.promusa.org/Morphology+of+banana+plant
Well to be honest, 'these parts' would be the Midwest Mississippi valley, so we don't have many banana trees. But I'd still call it a stem, whether it's proper or not. I mean, it's more of a stem than a neck anyway, unless you tie a noose around it, I suppose.
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You are grasping at straws. There is no reason a for a banana peal to hold different symbolism than a banana to these people.
Well "these people" will take offense at any little thing.
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You are grasping at straws. There is no reason a for a banana peal to hold different symbolism than a banana to these people.
There is no reason for a banana peel to hold any symbolism at all.

It could be the inedible part of a piece of fruit.
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There is no reason for a banana peel to hold any symbolism at all.

It could be the inedible part of a piece of fruit.
It's not actually inedible; just not terribly appealing, taste-wise, to the privileged patriarchy.
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Banana peel triggers university

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The president of one sorority told the newspaper that "bananas have historically been used to demean black people."
Is her claim true? I'm unfamiliar with many jokes which make sense to Klavern insiders.
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Is her claim true? I'm unfamiliar with many jokes which make sense to Klavern insiders.
Do you know that milk is a white supremacy symbol, too?
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Do you know that milk is a white supremacy symbol, too?
I've already heard that one.
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Do you know that milk is a white supremacy symbol, too?
White polo shirts, too. And I know for a fact Wal-Mart sells these nazi uniforms.

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Is her claim true? I'm unfamiliar with many jokes which make sense to Klavern insiders.
That part is certainly true.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/o...507e7616755e0b

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HURLING a banana at a black soccer player was commonplace in England in the 1980s but has, thankfully, long been eradicated from its national game.

While it might not be happening in the UK so often now, the blatantly racist act — synonymous with treating players as apes or monkeys — endures elsewhere in European stadiums from Spain to Russia.
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Old 11th September 2017, 11:17 AM   #313
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Oh sure you look at that now and say it looks bad, just a little harmless fun. Like the monkey cries too.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post


Thanks for the link.

p.s. They call it "soccer" down under? Huh.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Oh sure you look at that now and say it looks bad, just a little harmless fun. Like the monkey cries too.
I do wonder how much influence the Let's Kick Racism out of Football has had on wider society.

I suspect, by making it far less acceptable in football grounds, it has made it far less visible, and less common outside as well.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Thanks for the link.

p.s. They call it "soccer" down under? Huh.
More snowflakes

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...buse/98162156/
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I do wonder how much influence the Let's Kick Racism out of Football has had on wider society.

I suspect, by making it far less acceptable in football grounds, it has made it far less visible, and less common outside as well.
Maybe, I just figure that the shape of the racism has changed. Once it becomes something white people can easily pretend doesn't exist it is easy to keep really racist worldviews. But it is a more polite form of racism, you still won't hire a black person to work for you but will not openly harass them with more than microaggressions.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Maybe, I just figure that the shape of the racism has changed. Once it becomes something white people can easily pretend doesn't exist it is easy to keep really racist worldviews. But it is a more polite form of racism, you still won't hire a black person to work for you but will not openly harass them with more than microaggressions.
I'm not sure. Much of the UK has improved dramatically, although more in some regions than others.

At least one black colleague thought there was a difference between the UK and the US - he mentioned the odd looks that he and a white colleague got when going to a bar after work, I can't remember the city, but it was a large city.
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That is some jaw-dropping **** right there.

Here in the American Midwest, even your relatively racist redneck grandpa types will cheer on PoC when it comes to gridiron football.
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That is some jaw-dropping **** right there.

Here in the American Midwest, even your relatively racist redneck grandpa types will cheer on PoC when it comes to gridiron football.
And yet white nationalists have made it clear which is there preferred football team.(The patriots)
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