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Old 4th September 2017, 06:07 PM   #121
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Ok but how it will justify 3rd law, every action there is equal n opp reaction. Acting force for preparing remedies is an action.
In a very loose sense, yes; but this imparts no energy, particular or general, to the remedy." Which remedy we have seen time and time and time again it is not. Stirring a cake batter vigorously does not imbue the batter with energy. And we do have reasonable evidence indicating that cake batter and cakes are real.
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Old 4th September 2017, 08:19 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Peregrinus View Post
In a very loose sense, yes; but this imparts no energy, particular or general, to the remedy." Which remedy we have seen time and time and time again it is not. Stirring a cake batter vigorously does not imbue the batter with energy. And we do have reasonable evidence indicating that cake batter and cakes are real.
Do you mean 3rd law is not universal to action?
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Also, force is neither KE nor PE.
Yes, I simply want to know reaction of any action as per 3rd law . Is it heat, KE or PE or all?
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Yes, I simply want to know reaction of any action as per 3rd law . Is it heat, KE or PE or all?
None of those or even action. The 3rd law is about forces.
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There you go.

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Sorry, but whether any molecular structure work just by covalent bonds and exo/endo thermic principle or also work by non-covalent bonds and inter-molecular forces?

I think in any consideration related to any molecular structure, all above should be considered?
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I think you should go away and do a basic primary school science course.
Then maybe a high school science course.

I doubt you'll make any more sense, but it might give the rest of us time to recover.
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Sorry, but whether any molecular structure work just by covalent bonds and exo/endo thermic principle or also work by non-covalent bonds and inter-molecular forces?

I think in any consideration related to any molecular structure, all above should be considered?
I think you've strung a load of words you don't understand into something that looks like a question. You might as well base your scientific understanding on Yes lyrics.

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Kumar, the following is untrue but it appears to be what you want someone to say, so I'm doing it for you.


Molecules are like pendulums. As we all know, when you push a pendulum, you potenticise it into action. All actions have a reaction, just as Newton's 3rd law states. Some of this potential remains in the pendulum, mediated by static electricity and retained in the quantum structure of its molecules.

Potenticising a remedy is exactly the same. Newton's 3rd law causes the water to acquire a static charge. The Coulomb field potential remains in the pills. This potential is exactly the same effect that causes a young athlete to improve their performance through exercise. The potential energy is what causes homeopathy to work so well.



Now you have what you came here for.
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Old 5th September 2017, 05:55 AM   #129
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Kumar, the following is untrue but it appears to be what you want someone to say, so I'm doing it for you.


Molecules are like pendulums. As we all know, when you push a pendulum, you potenticise it into action. All actions have a reaction, just as Newton's 3rd law states. Some of this potential remains in the pendulum, mediated by static electricity and retained in the quantum structure of its molecules.

Potenticising a remedy is exactly the same. Newton's 3rd law causes the water to acquire a static charge. The Coulomb field potential remains in the pills. This potential is exactly the same effect that causes a young athlete to improve their performance through exercise. The potential energy is what causes homeopathy to work so well.



Now you have what you came here for.
Molecular interactions basis:
1.Covalent bonding

2. Non-covalent bonding

3.Intermolecular forces

Don't we need to consider all above depending on type of interaction? There is no Covalent bonding in case of pendulum as well as in case of Remedies. But other two need to be checked which we may be ignoring due to oversight many times. Any odd?
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Kumar, the following is untrue but it appears to be what you want someone to say, so I'm doing it for you.


Molecules are like pendulums. As we all know, when you push a pendulum, you potenticise it into action. All actions have a reaction, just as Newton's 3rd law states. Some of this potential remains in the pendulum, mediated by static electricity and retained in the quantum structure of its molecules.

Potenticising a remedy is exactly the same. Newton's 3rd law causes the water to acquire a static charge. The Coulomb field potential remains in the pills. This potential is exactly the same effect that causes a young athlete to improve their performance through exercise. The potential energy is what causes homeopathy to work so well.



Now you have what you came here for.
...2

Appears quite logical to me. Previously, I was also thinking to post ist part of above but you posted very clearly. Thanks.

How untrue?
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I think you've strung a load of words you don't understand into something that looks like a question. You might as well base your scientific understanding on Yes lyrics.

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Sorry, still manage and go on teaching me. Alongwith technical I also consider logics.
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I think you should go away and do a basic primary school science course.
Then maybe a high school science course.

I doubt you'll make any more sense, but it might give the rest of us time to recover.
But how it can teach me, logical, non A&F part and practical sides?
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...2

Appears quite logical to me. Previously, I was also thinking to post ist part of above but you posted very clearly. Thanks.

How untrue?
I'm not going to explain why obviously made-up stuff is untrue any more than I am obliged to explain why Harry Potter and Hogwarts do not exist.
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I'm not going to explain why obviously made-up stuff is untrue any more than I am obliged to explain why Harry Potter and Hogwarts do not exist.
Ok, but you Úxplained well. I think you also reÓd no.1 part of this post.
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I think you should go away and do a basic primary school science course.
Then maybe a high school science course.

I doubt you'll make any more sense, but it might give the rest of us time to recover.
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But how it can teach me, logical, non A&F part and practical sides?
It might, although I wouldn't hold my breath, give you a basic grounding, obviously.
What else would you expect?
Teaching you logic might be pushing it a bit.
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Appears quite logical to me.

Yes, it probably does. That's your problem.
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One key to the puzzle seems to be the insistence on dragging A&F into everything - without demonstrating they/it belong(s) in any part of the matter at all.*

*Not based on an exhaustive scanning of this thread.
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Yes, it probably does. That's your problem.
As you agreed now go ahead beyond it.
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It might, although I wouldn't hold my breath, give you a basic grounding, obviously.
What else would you expect?
Teaching you logic might be pushing it a bit.
Better to discuss new dynamically .Routines are very well available on internet.NÚwton was not knowing anything about gravitation but got seed from apple falling.
I think PE can remain in pendulum at rest for time without limit.
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One key to the puzzle seems to be the insistence on dragging A&F into everything - without demonstrating they/it belong(s) in any part of the matter at all.*

*Not based on an exhaustive scanning of this thread.

While I agree it's a silly aphorism for a non-native speaker to adopt (~15 years Kumar... seriously, still this bad at English?)... at least I came across it a few years back when I last looked at these discussions.

But I missed the introduction of "TTTT"... WHAT THE HELL IS THAT???
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Something along the lines of 'this and that talk'. Can't actually be bothered to go and look for the missing 'T', but I think it's his way of saying people are off topic.

Which coming from Kumar, is the height of irony.
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Am I right I thinking Kumar has been encountered on a forum where he was writing in his native Hindi and it made no more sense there?
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Am I right I thinking Kumar has been encountered on a forum where he was writing in his native Hindi and it made no more sense there?

He has resolutely refused to reveal what his native language is. Especially when people have offered to translate for him.
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He has resolutely refused to reveal what his native language is. Especially when people have offered to translate for him.
Ah, then I take back my question. Sorry, Kumar.
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This has already been answered, but to sum up:

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Hello,

Many time, Potential Energy(PE) confuses me. Very simple question:
Yes, it does.

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Whether PE is potential to work or potential to return to origional(natural, rest, grounded..) position?
Potential energy is the potential to release energy by moving to a state of lower energy.

Examples:

- a wound spring.
- A weight in a position where it can move lower.
- A chemical energy (like in a charged battery).

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I mean for example, a pendulum at rest(its natural position) should have maximum potential to move on both sides whereas on moving, it has potential to come back to rest(its natural position).
No, that is, quite frankly, nonsense.

A pendulum, (when swinging) has potential energy when at maximum swing, as it accelerates towards the lowest position, it converts this to kinetic energy which is again converted to potential energy as it swings upwards.

There is no such thing as a "natural position". It has nothing to do with original position.

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Kumar is an Urdu speaker. He might call it Hindi-Urdu. At the street level (where we are now), they're the same language.
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Many time, Potential Energy(PE) confuses me.

Potential energy: confusing Kumar since October 2003.
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Sorry, but whether any molecular structure work just by covalent bonds and exo/endo thermic principle or also work by non-covalent bonds and inter-molecular forces?
Ignoring the "exo/endo thermic principle" gibberish gives a rather ignorant question since obviously molecular structures with a mixture of bond types have a mixture of bond types !
For example there is water where H2O molecules are held together with covalent bonds and there are transient, temporary hydrogen bonds between the H2O molecules.
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Has any actually defined potential energy?
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In physics, Potential Energy is the energy possessed by an object because of its position relative to other objects, stresses within itself, its electric charge, or other factors
PE is always relative to something. The potential energy of a pendulum is typically defined in terms of the lowest point in its swing. So, whether in motion or stationary a pendulum at the bottom of its swing has zero potential energy. That is, unless you are measuring the pendulums potential energy relative to the floor.

Based on a few previous posts, this is likely futile.
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Has any actually defined potential energy?
What really makes this thread futile is that Kumar linked to a definition of PE in the OP !
He cites and quotes the Wikipedia article on potential energy here but cannot understand it (thinks it is PE as in physical exercise!).
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What really makes this thread futile is that Kumar linked to a definition of PE in the OP !
He cites and quotes the Wikipedia article on potential energy here but cannot understand it (thinks it is PE as in physical exercise!).

Despite his use of an athlete in one example, I'd call that a colloquialism too far.

Even I didn't make a connection to PE class.
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Am I right I thinking Kumar has been encountered on a forum where he was writing in his native Hindi and it made no more sense there?
Language should not be barrier to understanding. Even a mother understand her kids well without involving any speaking or language.
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This has already been answered, but to sum up:



Yes, it does.



Potential energy is the potential to release energy by moving to a state of lower energy.

Examples:

- a wound spring.
- A weight in a position where it can move lower.
- A chemical energy (like in a charged battery).



No, that is, quite frankly, nonsense.

A pendulum, (when swinging) has potential energy when at maximum swing, as it accelerates towards the lowest position, it converts this to kinetic energy which is again converted to potential energy as it swings upwards.

There is no such thing as a "natural position". It has nothing to do with original position.

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I meant maximum potential to move.

Anyway now discussion have progressed and now considerations are:

Do potentised remedies acquire PE due to action in preparing the remedies to justify reaction in accordance to Newton's 3rd law. I think we miss something due to oversight while looking at molecular interactions and following need to be checked:

1. Covalents bond if applicable.

2. Non-covalent bonds

3. Intermolecular forces.

4. Potential Energy

5. Others??

An excercising young man while dispates heat also improve its performane specific to that excercise. Pls read one post by bill summarising what I intended to say.
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Potential energy: confusing Kumar since October 2003.
Yes because PE abd PE dynamics can be two faces of one thing.
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Has any actually defined potential energy?
PE is always relative to something. The potential energy of a pendulum is typically defined in terms of the lowest point in its swing. So, whether in motion or stationary a pendulum at the bottom of its swing has zero potential energy. That is, unless you are measuring the pendulums potential energy relative to the floor.

Based on a few previous posts, this is likely futile.
No. I am trying to discuss PE dynamics. Whatever may be PE of pendulum at lowest/rest position but its potential to move either side is maximum.

Moreover, when I hit a small ball hard to a wall straight, it came back to me straight no bending downwards. How then "mgh" for PE is applicable?
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No. I am trying to discuss PE dynamics.
You are repeating "PE dynamics" ignorance and adding more !
The PE of a pendulum is a minimum at its lowest point as shown to you several times by people here.
When you hit a ball against a wall there is always "bending downwards". Gravity makes any thrown object fall. A fast object may fall a tiny distance over a small distance but it falls.

PE = mgh is applicable. PE for gravity is mgh for a height h, e.g. roll your ball across a table of height h. If your ball is thrown instead it drops from height h1 to height h2 and its PE decreases by mg(h1 - h2).

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Language should not be barrier to understanding. Even a mother understand her kids well without involving any speaking or language.


Even if true (and you'd need to somehow provide evidence that the mother is correctly interpreting non-verbal communication from her child), the mother isn't attempting to discuss complicated abstract concepts.
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Moreover, when I hit a small ball hard to a wall straight, it came back to me straight no bending downwards.

That just means that there is no gravity where you live.
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Moreover, when I hit a small ball hard to a wall straight, it came back to me straight no bending downwards. How then "mgh" for PE is applicable?
You're wrong; it does 'bend downwards'. For this very reason cricketers , baseball players and many others have to throw the ball upwards for it to reach its destination without bouncing.

Do you have fun posting pseudo-scientific drivel? That's the only explanation I can find for all these years of your nonsensensical posts.
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