[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 5

MikeG · 12th January 2018, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

.......Many of you already do this just for money......
This is your job.

Please, please. Where can I get paid for being an atheist? That seems like such an easy way to earn money. Who is doing the paying? How do I sign up?

Emre_1974tr · 12th January 2018, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

People get paid for not believing in religious texts? Cool. Who pays them?

Don't you know who pays the missionaries ' wages?

aleCcowaN · 12th January 2018, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran says the Sun orbists the galaxy.

No, it doesn't.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

We're telling the truth.

No, you (Emre) are lying. Because you're telling lies and because there's no "we"

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You are liars.

No. Another lie from you

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Many of you already do this just for money.

No. Nobody does it for money, but for the lulz. Do you think anyone would put up with you if it weren't very funny?

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You have to lie. Or you can't get your wages.

That's just a non sequitur made with two falsehoods. You're exceeding yourself in making crappy statements.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Even if most of you leave Christianity, they have to hide it.

Not sure what you mean. I was never a Christian (or a Jew, or a Muslim)

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Lies and infidelity are your profession.

Are you sure you don't want to try that again? Is it a mismatched translation from Turkish?

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

This is your job.

No. When we're not doing our job, we're here entertaining ourselves with whacky believers who post tons of tomfoolery.

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Don't you know who pays the missionaries ' wages?

The Almighty of course

Quote:

Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.

John 4:36

Emre_1974tr · 12th January 2018, 10:49 AM

The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).

CORed · 12th January 2018, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

Islam and Christianity are irrelevant to the modern world in the sense they don't provide to the "modern" part of it. Or is anyone to state that those religions have contributed to the progress in science, health, culture and the material world?

To be an atheist missionary one should be first and atheist.

You and Emre have to thank that you are not dealt with like Emre is in this very thread at Godlike Productions.

I have definitely seen it argued that Christianity had a role in laying the foundation for science and technology. I think it's a load of crap, but there are people who buy it (mostly Christians).

Crossbow · 12th January 2018, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).

If that is the case,

Then 4.4 billion years ago the Earth was 0.1 billion years old and the universe was 9.1 billion years old.

Therefore, at that time the universe was 91 times older than the Earth.

As such, your ideas about god math are quite incorrect.

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).

You presume to assume that the earth was created on the last two days?

aleCcowaN · 12th January 2018, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).

You forgot to add "Diddly-dee, 19!"

aleCcowaN · 12th January 2018, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

THE MIRACLES CONTINUE ... (SECTION 2)

The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

<snip>

MY TURKISH ARTICLE TRANSLATED WITH TRANSLATOR

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...in-devami.html

Edited by Loss Leader:

Edited for Rule 4. Do not quote large tracts of text available elsewhere on the internet.

Edited by zooterkin:

Edited for rule 6. Do not use all caps in thread titles.

You're spamming. You're repeatedly cutting and pasting the same chunks in every thread.

Emre_1974tr · 12th January 2018, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

If that is the case,

Then 4.4 billion years ago the Earth was 0.1 billion years old and the universe was 9.1 billion years old.

.

The age of the universe is three times the world's age, When the Quran landed.

And the apocalypse will come before this rate deteriorates.

Emre_1974tr · 12th January 2018, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

If that is the case,

Then 4.4 billion years ago the Earth was 0.1 billion years old and the universe was 9.1 billion years old.

.

The age of the Universe is three times the Earth's age, When the Quran landed.

And the apocalypse will come before this rate deteriorates.

Crossbow · 12th January 2018, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The age of the universe is three times the world's age, When the Quran landed.

And the apocalypse will come before this rate deteriorates.

If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book.

Hans · 12th January 2018, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

People get paid for not believing in religious texts? Cool. Who pays them?

Hey where is the gravy trained located? I'd be happy to publicly not believe in any religion you might like me to. Is this hourly or salary and are their benefits?

Hans · 12th January 2018, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book.

I've always been amused that these Gods waited hundreds of thousands of years to make up the rules and give them to hapless mankind. Countless millions of HSS and their 'cousins' lived and died without know they were going to hell.......lol

aleCcowaN · 12th January 2018, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book.

... and out of despair and impatience "he" did it among smelly chaps in second or third rate cultural backwaters.

baron · 12th January 2018, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book.

An atrocious, idiotic one at that.

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

... and out of despair and impatience "he" did it among smelly chaps in second or third rate cultural backwaters.

wow.... (and right during the uproar about Trump calling such places "****-holes"...)

baron · 12th January 2018, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

wow.... (and right during the uproar about Trump calling such places "****-holes"...)

To be fair they are **** holes now, but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that.

MikeG · 12th January 2018, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

... and out of despair and impatience "he" did it among smelly chaps in second or third rate cultural backwaters.

Nope. I'm not with you on this one. Cultural sneering and denigration isn't great in any context.

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by baron

To be fair they are **** holes now, but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that.

I'm certain that doubling down on racism is probably not going to assist the claim.

The contention that Islam (the inventor of Universities, Algebra and maintaining virtually the entirety of Greek thought from the Classical period) put a stop to education and learning is utterly false and ridiculous in the extreme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

aleCcowaN · 12th January 2018, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

wow.... (and right during the uproar about Trump calling such places "****-holes"...)

What has a lot to do with the price of tea in China

baron · 12th January 2018, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

I'm certain that doubling down on racism is probably not going to assist the claim.

The contention that Islam (the inventor of Universities, Algebra and maintaining virtually the entirety of Greek thought from the Classical period) put a stop to education and learning is utterly false and ridiculous in the extreme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

It was the beginning of the end, unquestionably, I never said everything stopped on day one. As Islam took hold and transformed from a personal belief system into a all-pervading tool of conquest, those initiatives quickly fell away. The Islamic world has produced nothing of worth in the last thousand years.

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by baron

It was the beginning of the end, unquestionably, I never said everything stopped on day one. As Islam took hold and transformed from a personal belief system into a all-pervading tool of conquest, those initiatives quickly fell away. The Islamic world has produced nothing of worth in the last thousand years.

Well as I have already demonstrated you are quite wrong

Emre_1974tr · 12th January 2018, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book.

No.

baron · 12th January 2018, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Well as I have already demonstrated you are quite wrong

OK, you're being pedantic, so let's say 750 years. Do you imagine that they're just taking a breather or something, before revealing their next slew of revolutionary world-changing technologies?

Emre_1974tr · 12th January 2018, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hans

I've always been amused that these Gods waited hundreds of thousands of years to make up the rules and give them to hapless mankind. Countless millions of HSS and their 'cousins' lived and died without know they were going to hell.......lol

The rules are always the same, since the first person, the Islamic religion has always come.

The people who do not reach the book are evaluated according to their status.

The verses in our inner teaching us the good and the truth.

Everyone knows the truth under the unconscious . And that's why everyone is responsible.

Remember the promise you gave to God when you were a baby.

7:172 When your Lord took from the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.

7:173 Nor can you say, "It was our fathers who set up partners before and we were simply a progeny who came after them. Would You destroy us for what the innovators did?"

Our program is in the direction of faith to truth, and goodness.

30:30 So establish yourself to the system of monotheism. It is the nature that God has made the people on. There is no changing in God's creation. Such is the pure system, but most people do not know.

MikeG · 12th January 2018, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

.......Remember the promise you gave to God when you were a baby..........

What's this crap?

I gave no promise to anyone when I was a baby, and no-one would take anything a baby says seriously anyway.

There is no god, so promises ostensibly to a god are just you talking to yourself, which is a good sign that you are mentally unwell.

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by baron

OK, you're being pedantic, so let's say 750 years. Do you imagine that they're just taking a breather or something, before revealing their next slew of revolutionary world-changing technologies?

Demonstrating that your claims (none of which you have supported in any fashion) are erroneous is not being pedantic.

Given how far you have already walked back your claim, I hope we don't have to see you walk back the remainder in 250 year increments

baron · 12th January 2018, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Demonstrating that your claims (none of which you have supported in any fashion) are erroneous is not being pedantic.

Given how far you have already walked back your claim, I hope we don't have to see you walk back the remainder in 250 year increments

We'll hold it at 750 years for now. So, what are these important inventions?

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by baron

We'll hold it at 750 years for now. So, what are these important inventions?

Well, lets review:

here was the original claim:

"but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that."

After redacting the parts that are grossly false, we are left with:

" "

baron · 12th January 2018, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Well, lets review:

here was the original claim:

"but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that."

After redacting the parts that are grossly false, we are left with:

" "

Well, we're left with my question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of?

As for my original statement, it's perfectly correct. Islam put a stop on technological progress. Now you assumed I meant Islam put a stop on technological progress from day one, but I didn't say that and hence I didn't mean it.

So, back to the question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of?

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by baron

Well, we're left with my question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of?

As for my original statement, it's perfectly correct. Islam put a stop on technological progress. Now you assumed I meant Islam put a stop on technological progress from day one, but I didn't say that and hence I didn't mean it.

So, back to the question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of?

Your claim that Islam put "a stop" to "technical progress" is sheer, unfettered nonsense (the suggestion that the tribes of the Arabian Peninsula in 600 AD were progressive, leaned and experiencing technological progress is ludicrous for example), in fact I have already demonstrated the exact opposite is true.

Listen, if you want to support any of your claims at any time, that would be something. So do it.

The 2015 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2015 was awarded jointly to Tomas Lindahl, Paul Modrich and Aziz Sancar "for mechanistic studies of DNA repair".

That recent enough for you?

aleCcowaN · 12th January 2018, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by MikeG

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

.......Remember the promise you gave to God when you were a baby..........

What's this crap?

I gave no promise to anyone when I was a baby, and no-one would take anything a baby says seriously anyway.

There is no god, so promises ostensibly to a god are just you talking to yourself, which is a good sign that you are mentally unwell.

Emre is taking the islamic concept of one sole existence (before and after death) and pushing it "on steroids".

I was soiled with the rite of baptism when I was a few month old. No further damage from the evil priests ever since. Anyway, now anyone can be debaptized if they ask the help of Bill Maher

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aleCcowaN · 12th January 2018, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

The 2015 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2015 was awarded jointly to Tomas Lindahl, Paul Modrich and Aziz Sancar "for mechanistic studies of DNA repair".

That recent enough for you?

Suspiciously way recent enough. It sounded like one of your "I don't want to talk about this" magic tricks.

Tell me, is the just three nobel laureates in science from Muslim origins a product of Islam, laicism or modernity?

Jack by the hedge · 12th January 2018, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Don't you know who pays the missionaries ' wages?

No, of course I don't. These missionaries only exist in your imagination so if you won't tell us who you think pays them for not believing in stuff we'll never know.

baron · 12th January 2018, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Your claim that Islam put "a stop" to "technical progress" is sheer, unfettered nonsense (the suggestion that the tribes of the Arabian Peninsula in 600 AD were progressive, leaned and experiencing technological progress is ludicrous for example), in fact I have already demonstrated the exact opposite is true.

The exact opposite of something I didn't say? I said the people of that region were relatively speaking "quite progressive and learned", not "progressive, leaned and experiencing technological progress."

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Listen, if you want to support any of your claims at any time, that would be something. So do it.

You want me to support my claim that Islamic countries have produced no important inventions in the past 750 years? How would you suggest I do that?

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

The 2015 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2015 was awarded jointly to Tomas Lindahl, Paul Modrich and Aziz Sancar "for mechanistic studies of DNA repair".

That recent enough for you?

So your evidence that the Muslim word has indeed produced important inventions in the past 750 years is that a team of three people, including one Turkish Muslim, won a prize in 2015.

OK, would you like me to comment on that right now or is there anything you would like to add?

Jack by the hedge · 12th January 2018, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

You presume to assume that the earth was created on the last two days?

That's a good point, but it's an even weaker argument than that.

The "days" mentioned were not, of course, the ages of the universe and the earth but rather the claimed time taken to create them. So even if it had taken 6 days to create the universe and then 2 days to make the earth, the universe would be 8 days old when the earth was completed, making the universe 4 times as old as the earth.

The Big Dog · 12th January 2018, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by baron

snip

Seeing zero links to support this claim:

"To be fair they are **** holes now, but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that"

we are absolutely done with that (although the Trumpesque racism of "they are **** holes now" was clearly a glaring tip off that everything in that post was a *********** train wreck from the get go)

Jack by the hedge · 12th January 2018, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Remember the promise you gave to God when you were a baby.

No. That's absurd.

12th January 2018, 10:36 AM	#161
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr .......Many of you already do this just for money...... This is your job. Please, please. Where can I get paid for being an atheist? That seems like such an easy way to earn money. Who is doing the paying? How do I sign up?
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12th January 2018, 10:36 AM	#163
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran says the Sun orbists the galaxy. No, it doesn't. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr We're telling the truth. No, you (Emre) are lying. Because you're telling lies and because there's no "we" Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr You are liars. No. Another lie from you Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Many of you already do this just for money. No. Nobody does it for money, but for the lulz. Do you think anyone would put up with you if it weren't very funny? Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr You have to lie. Or you can't get your wages. That's just a non sequitur made with two falsehoods. You're exceeding yourself in making crappy statements. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Even if most of you leave Christianity, they have to hide it. Not sure what you mean. I was never a Christian (or a Jew, or a Muslim) Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Lies and infidelity are your profession. Are you sure you don't want to try that again? Is it a mismatched translation from Turkish? Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr This is your job. No. When we're not doing our job, we're here entertaining ourselves with whacky believers who post tons of tomfoolery.
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12th January 2018, 10:44 AM	#164
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Don't you know who pays the missionaries ' wages? The Almighty of course Quote: Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. John 4:36
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12th January 2018, 11:06 AM	#167
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,446	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth. Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us. Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds." The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases. So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation. Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old.... In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5). If that is the case, Then 4.4 billion years ago the Earth was 0.1 billion years old and the universe was 9.1 billion years old. Therefore, at that time the universe was 91 times older than the Earth. As such, your ideas about god math are quite incorrect.
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12th January 2018, 11:06 AM	#168
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth. Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us. Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds." The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases. So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation. Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old.... In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5). You presume to assume that the earth was created on the last two days?
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12th January 2018, 10:36 AM	#162
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge People get paid for not believing in religious texts? Cool. Who pays them? Don't you know who pays the missionaries ' wages?

12th January 2018, 10:49 AM	#165
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth. Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us. Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds." The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases. So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation. Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old.... In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).

12th January 2018, 10:56 AM	#166
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,564	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN Islam and Christianity are irrelevant to the modern world in the sense they don't provide to the "modern" part of it. Or is anyone to state that those religions have contributed to the progress in science, health, culture and the material world? To be an atheist missionary one should be first and atheist. You and Emre have to thank that you are not dealt with like Emre is in this very thread at Godlike Productions. I have definitely seen it argued that Christianity had a role in laying the foundation for science and technology. I think it's a load of crap, but there are people who buy it (mostly Christians).

12th January 2018, 11:27 AM	#169
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth. Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us. Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds." The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases. So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation. Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old.... In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5). You forgot to add "Diddly-dee, 19!"
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12th January 2018, 11:35 AM	#171
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by Crossbow If that is the case, Then 4.4 billion years ago the Earth was 0.1 billion years old and the universe was 9.1 billion years old. . The age of the universe is three times the world's age, When the Quran landed. And the apocalypse will come before this rate deteriorates.

12th January 2018, 11:37 AM	#172
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by Crossbow If that is the case, Then 4.4 billion years ago the Earth was 0.1 billion years old and the universe was 9.1 billion years old. . The age of the Universe is three times the Earth's age, When the Quran landed. And the apocalypse will come before this rate deteriorates.

12th January 2018, 11:57 AM	#173
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,446	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The age of the universe is three times the world's age, When the Quran landed. And the apocalypse will come before this rate deteriorates. If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book.
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12th January 2018, 12:00 PM	#174
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,004	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge People get paid for not believing in religious texts? Cool. Who pays them? Hey where is the gravy trained located? I'd be happy to publicly not believe in any religion you might like me to. Is this hourly or salary and are their benefits?
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12th January 2018, 12:01 PM	#175
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,004	Originally Posted by Crossbow If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book. I've always been amused that these Gods waited hundreds of thousands of years to make up the rules and give them to hapless mankind. Countless millions of HSS and their 'cousins' lived and died without know they were going to hell.......lol
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12th January 2018, 12:24 PM	#176
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Crossbow If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book. ... and out of despair and impatience "he" did it among smelly chaps in second or third rate cultural backwaters.
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12th January 2018, 12:33 PM	#177
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by Crossbow If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book. An atrocious, idiotic one at that.
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12th January 2018, 12:34 PM	#178
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN ... and out of despair and impatience "he" did it among smelly chaps in second or third rate cultural backwaters. wow.... (and right during the uproar about Trump calling such places "****-holes"...)
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12th January 2018, 12:44 PM	#179
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by The Big Dog wow.... (and right during the uproar about Trump calling such places "**-holes"...) To be fair they are ** holes now, but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that.
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12th January 2018, 12:50 PM	#180
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN ... and out of despair and impatience "he" did it among smelly chaps in second or third rate cultural backwaters. Nope. I'm not with you on this one. Cultural sneering and denigration isn't great in any context.
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12th January 2018, 12:52 PM	#181
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by baron To be fair they are **** holes now, but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that. I'm certain that doubling down on racism is probably not going to assist the claim. The contention that Islam (the inventor of Universities, Algebra and maintaining virtually the entirety of Greek thought from the Classical period) put a stop to education and learning is utterly false and ridiculous in the extreme. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
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12th January 2018, 12:58 PM	#182
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by The Big Dog wow.... (and right during the uproar about Trump calling such places "****-holes"...) What has a lot to do with the price of tea in China
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12th January 2018, 01:25 PM	#183
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by The Big Dog I'm certain that doubling down on racism is probably not going to assist the claim. The contention that Islam (the inventor of Universities, Algebra and maintaining virtually the entirety of Greek thought from the Classical period) put a stop to education and learning is utterly false and ridiculous in the extreme. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age It was the beginning of the end, unquestionably, I never said everything stopped on day one. As Islam took hold and transformed from a personal belief system into a all-pervading tool of conquest, those initiatives quickly fell away. The Islamic world has produced nothing of worth in the last thousand years.
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12th January 2018, 01:33 PM	#184
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by baron It was the beginning of the end, unquestionably, I never said everything stopped on day one. As Islam took hold and transformed from a personal belief system into a all-pervading tool of conquest, those initiatives quickly fell away. The Islamic world has produced nothing of worth in the last thousand years. Well as I have already demonstrated you are quite wrong
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12th January 2018, 01:39 PM	#185
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by Crossbow If that is the case, then that would mean that it took your god 13.5 billion years to write one book. No.

12th January 2018, 01:48 PM	#186
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Well as I have already demonstrated you are quite wrong OK, you're being pedantic, so let's say 750 years. Do you imagine that they're just taking a breather or something, before revealing their next slew of revolutionary world-changing technologies?
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12th January 2018, 01:49 PM	#187
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by Hans I've always been amused that these Gods waited hundreds of thousands of years to make up the rules and give them to hapless mankind. Countless millions of HSS and their 'cousins' lived and died without know they were going to hell.......lol The rules are always the same, since the first person, the Islamic religion has always come. The people who do not reach the book are evaluated according to their status. The verses in our inner teaching us the good and the truth. Everyone knows the truth under the unconscious . And that's why everyone is responsible. Remember the promise you gave to God when you were a baby. 7:172 When your Lord took from the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this. 7:173 Nor can you say, "It was our fathers who set up partners before and we were simply a progeny who came after them. Would You destroy us for what the innovators did?" Our program is in the direction of faith to truth, and goodness. 30:30 So establish yourself to the system of monotheism. It is the nature that God has made the people on. There is no changing in God's creation. Such is the pure system, but most people do not know.

12th January 2018, 01:54 PM	#188
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr .......Remember the promise you gave to God when you were a baby.......... What's this crap? I gave no promise to anyone when I was a baby, and no-one would take anything a baby says seriously anyway. There is no god, so promises ostensibly to a god are just you talking to yourself, which is a good sign that you are mentally unwell.
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12th January 2018, 02:01 PM	#189
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by baron OK, you're being pedantic, so let's say 750 years. Do you imagine that they're just taking a breather or something, before revealing their next slew of revolutionary world-changing technologies? Demonstrating that your claims (none of which you have supported in any fashion) are erroneous is not being pedantic. Given how far you have already walked back your claim, I hope we don't have to see you walk back the remainder in 250 year increments
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12th January 2018, 02:04 PM	#190
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Demonstrating that your claims (none of which you have supported in any fashion) are erroneous is not being pedantic. Given how far you have already walked back your claim, I hope we don't have to see you walk back the remainder in 250 year increments We'll hold it at 750 years for now. So, what are these important inventions?
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12th January 2018, 02:15 PM	#191
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by baron We'll hold it at 750 years for now. So, what are these important inventions? Well, lets review: here was the original claim: "but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that." After redacting the parts that are grossly false, we are left with: " "
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12th January 2018, 02:21 PM	#192
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Well, lets review: here was the original claim: "but back then they were actually quite progressive and learned. Islam put a stop to all that." After redacting the parts that are grossly false, we are left with: " " Well, we're left with my question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of? As for my original statement, it's perfectly correct. Islam put a stop on technological progress. Now you assumed I meant Islam put a stop on technological progress from day one, but I didn't say that and hence I didn't mean it. So, back to the question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of?
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12th January 2018, 02:28 PM	#193
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by baron Well, we're left with my question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of? As for my original statement, it's perfectly correct. Islam put a stop on technological progress. Now you assumed I meant Islam put a stop on technological progress from day one, but I didn't say that and hence I didn't mean it. So, back to the question: What are these important Islamic inventions of the past 750 years that I should be aware of? Your claim that Islam put "a stop" to "technical progress" is sheer, unfettered nonsense (the suggestion that the tribes of the Arabian Peninsula in 600 AD were progressive, leaned and experiencing technological progress is ludicrous for example), in fact I have already demonstrated the exact opposite is true. Listen, if you want to support any of your claims at any time, that would be something. So do it. The 2015 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2015 was awarded jointly to Tomas Lindahl, Paul Modrich and Aziz Sancar "for mechanistic studies of DNA repair". That recent enough for you?
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12th January 2018, 02:41 PM	#195
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by The Big Dog The 2015 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2015 was awarded jointly to Tomas Lindahl, Paul Modrich and Aziz Sancar "for mechanistic studies of DNA repair". That recent enough for you? Suspiciously way recent enough. It sounded like one of your "I don't want to talk about this" magic tricks. Tell me, is the just three nobel laureates in science from Muslim origins a product of Islam, laicism or modernity?
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12th January 2018, 02:44 PM	#196
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14,695	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Don't you know who pays the missionaries ' wages? No, of course I don't. These missionaries only exist in your imagination so if you won't tell us who you think pays them for not believing in stuff we'll never know.

12th January 2018, 02:46 PM	#197
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Your claim that Islam put "a stop" to "technical progress" is sheer, unfettered nonsense (the suggestion that the tribes of the Arabian Peninsula in 600 AD were progressive, leaned and experiencing technological progress is ludicrous for example), in fact I have already demonstrated the exact opposite is true. The exact opposite of something I didn't say? I said the people of that region were relatively speaking "quite progressive and learned", not "progressive, leaned and experiencing technological progress." Originally Posted by The Big Dog Listen, if you want to support any of your claims at any time, that would be something. So do it. You want me to support my claim that Islamic countries have produced no important inventions in the past 750 years? How would you suggest I do that? Originally Posted by The Big Dog The 2015 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2015 was awarded jointly to Tomas Lindahl, Paul Modrich and Aziz Sancar "for mechanistic studies of DNA repair". That recent enough for you? So your evidence that the Muslim word has indeed produced important inventions in the past 750 years is that a team of three people, including one Turkish Muslim, won a prize in 2015. OK, would you like me to comment on that right now or is there anything you would like to add?
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