Merged: The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

[aleCcowaN]

an animal, who is forbidden to defeat the flesh is pig?

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Meanwhile, the writing I described in the light of Quran, how the universes were created simultaneously/together:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html

And described in the verses I mentioned in my study; The event that the stars do light/flame shots can now be explored/viewed in this link:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...475783632/ph2/

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.



Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower universe with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

https://www.galaxymonitor.com/hubble...shooting-star/

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Myriad

Not at all. He posted verses from the Quran talking about stars that pursue rebels who steal Imperial secrets, and blast fire at them.

!

The stars are not following them. Their fire/light cannons are following them.

[Myriad]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The stars are not following them. Their fire/light cannons are following them.

Okay, so more like Starkiller Base than the Death Star, then.

Even better. The Quran foretold centuries ago that there would be a third Star Wars trilogy.

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Myriad

Okay, so more like Starkiller Base than the Death Star, then.

Even better. The Quran foretold centuries ago that there would be a third Star Wars trilogy.

Then, is this for "the miracles continue" thread or for the "Quran and Holliwood" thread?

[Emre_1974tr]

Writer Texe Marrs is talking about the reasons for the Egyptian pharaohs ' obsession in bringing the legs and arms diagonally to the position:

İn ancient Egypt, the mark of "X" and the symbol of cross-bones in the symbol of an X was very prominent in religious contexts. You can find the X on the walls of a number of ancient Egyptians temples and pyramids... It is the sign of Osiris, the great sun God..
The ancient pharaohs, when they were buried, had the legs crossed in the form of "X" as a sign of devotion to Osiris.''

Codex Magica (Texe Marrs)

The X-mark in Pagan Egyptian religion is the cross-mark was holy:

These ancient Egyptian figures demonstrate how prevalent was Osiris' sacred sign, "X."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...x_69_small.jpg

The mummy of Rameses the Great (1279-1213 B.C.) was found in this cedarwood sarcophagus. This pharaoh is thought by Egyptologists to be the ruler who enslaved the Israelites and forced them to build cities.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...x_70_small.jpg

Painting from the Tomb of Rameses I, Valley of the Kings, West Thebes, in Egypt.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so.../ccodex_97.jpg

The identity of the legends is also confirmed by this hieroglyphic picture, copied from an ancient Egyptian monument, which may also enlighten you as to the Lion's grip and the Master's gavel.


Codex Magica

TEXE MARRS


This may explain why the pharaoh in the past has been talking about a crossing of limbs and arms as a threat.

Quran 20:63 They said, "These are but two magicians who want to take you out of your land with their magic, and they want to do away with your ideal way.

Quran 20:64 "So agree upon your scheme, then come as one front. Whoever wins today will succeed."

Quran 20:65 They said, "O Moses, either you cast down or we will be the first to cast down."

Quran 20:66 He said, "No, you cast down." So their ropes and staffs appeared from their magic as if they were moving.

Quran 20:67 Moses held some fear in himself.

Quran 20:68 We said, "Do not fear, you will best them."

Quran 20:69 "Cast down what is in your right hand; it will consume what they have made. They have only made the work of a magician, and the magician will not succeed no matter what he does."

Quran 20:70 So the magicians went down in prostration. They said, "We acknowledge the Lord of Aaron and Moses."

Quran 20:71 He said, "Have you acknowledged him before taking my permission? He is surely your great one who has taught you magic. So, I will cut off your hands and feet from alternate sides/crosswise, and I will crucify you on the trunks of the palm trees, and you will come to know which of us is greater in retribution and more lasting!"

Quran 20:72 They said, "We will not prefer you over the proofs that have come to us, and over the One who initiated us. So issue whatever judgment you have, for you only issue judgment in this worldly life."

This crossover mark was blessed in the pagan Egyptian religion, and so was especially the rituals of cross arms and legs.


The tradition of holding arms and legs in position X can also be seen in other pagan applications around the world. For example, Hindus cross the legs while meditating in the Far East.

***

For this reason, the known forces in the world often use the X/crosswise sign as well as the pyramids and single eye signs from the Egyptians.

It gives us a better understanding, of why they using today, the X-mark alongside the pyramid and one-eye markers.

And the Quran only religious source that gave the knowledge, they make cross the feet and arms in the Egyptian civilization.

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In past , the assailants killed the Muslims, pulled them out of their vatas, or cut them in cross/X shape.

In the past, other spiritualist pagans, such as Pharaoh, did the same.

And this verse about self defense and retaliation.

Quran 5:33 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger and seek to corrupt the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides/crosswise or that they be banished from the land. That is a disgrace for them in this world. In the Hereafter, they will have a great retribution.

In short, crossing is about self defense and retaliation to attacker pagans (Who cuts the Muslims in X shape).

[aleCcowaN]

Eerie bin Däniken!

[Myriad]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

And the Quran only religious source that gave the knowledge, they make cross the feet and arms in the Egyptian civilization.

That's right. You never see any mention of any crosses at all in the Bible or in Christianity.

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

...
The mummy of Rameses the Great (1279-1213 B.C.) was found in this cedarwood sarcophagus. This pharaoh is thought by Egyptologists to be the ruler who enslaved the Israelites and forced them to build cities.
...

Egyptologists think that? I thought the evidence Egyptologists possess contains no evidence that the Israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt at all.

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Egyptologists think that? I thought the evidence Egyptologists possess contains no evidence that the Israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt at all.

It's Emre and his botched version of the Quran agains the Truth.

Emre just takes the guitar and plays, and plays and plays.

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Of course, when egypt followed the true gods like Osiris and Set they were a world power for roughly three millennia.
Egypt under false gods (greek/roman/christian/islam) has been a puppet state for the rest of the time. Yet one more reason to forgo the false new religions.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran 5:33 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger and seek to corrupt the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides/crosswise or that they be banished from the land. That is a disgrace for them in this world. In the Hereafter, they will have a great retribution.

What evil trash from the Quran. Do you really think this barbaric cruelty is the will of God?

As for Moses, I don't believe there are any credible Egyptian records that he even existed. Let alone parted the red sea and all the other bible bunk.

[halleyscomet]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.

Citation Needed.

[halleyscomet]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

https://www.galaxymonitor.com/hubble...shooting-star/

[Thor 2]

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

https://i.imgur.com/LRFz3J8.jpg

Wow that is some list!

Thankfully I am not a partaker in any of this, not even a fortune cooky, so I don't need redemption. Thank the lord.

[Belgian thought]

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Wow that is some list!

Thankfully I am not a partaker in any of this, not even a fortune cooky, so I don't need redemption. Thank the lord.

They stupildly missed out Tea leaves and, or coffee grains not to mention that throwing up sticks in the air and see how they land.

Based on that, I cannot take their argument seriously.

[Emre_1974tr]

2:102 They followed what the devils recited regarding Solomon's kingship. Solomon did not reject, but it was the devils that rejected by teaching people magic and what was sent down on the two controllers in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They would not teach anyone until they would say, "We are a test, so do not be unappreciative!" Thus, they teach what can separate a person from his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except by God's permission. They learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such a thing has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they traded themselves with; if only they knew!

38:40 He has deserved a near position with Us, and a wonderful abode.

[halleyscomet]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

2:102 They followed what the devils recited regarding Solomon's kingship. Solomon did not reject, but it was the devils that rejected by teaching people magic and what was sent down on the two controllers in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They would not teach anyone until they would say, "We are a test, so do not be unappreciative!" Thus, they teach what can separate a person from his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except by God's permission. They learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such a thing has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they traded themselves with; if only they knew!



38:40 He has deserved a near position with Us, and a wonderful abode.

Log off. You’re drunk posting again.

[sackett]

The trouble with Emre, and with religion in general, is that it's all

so

damn

BORING.

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

2:102 They followed what the devils recited regarding Solomon's kingship. Solomon did not reject, but it was the devils that rejected by teaching people magic and what was sent down on the two controllers in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They would not teach anyone until they would say, "We are a test, so do not be unappreciative!" Thus, they teach what can separate a person from his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except by God's permission. They learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such a thing has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they traded themselves with; if only they knew!

38:40 He has deserved a near position with Us, and a wonderful abode.

Hey, Imam: You have to have your face made of stone to post here your own made "quranic" verses. What a quack!

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

"come back to Christ!" How ironic. You may swap Astrology and Christ (or replace Christ with Muhammad or Allah) and it works exactly the same.

[halleyscomet]

Originally Posted by sackett

The trouble with Emre, and with religion in general, is that it's all

so

damn

BORING.

His noodly appendage disagrees.

[sackett]

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

His noodly appendage disagrees.

He better watch out, or I'll blaspheme his tomato paste, yay even his uttermost meatball. His olives shall be scattered, and swine will suck up his threaded pasta.

And Emre too shall assist me, w/ artichoke hearts & much garlic.

And Muhammud, pain & bruises upon him,

ramen.

[Cainkane1]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Examples:

Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.

Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.


1- God is not tired.

2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.

The Qu'ran didn't correct anything. That book merely retells the same nonsense with some variations in the original story.

[Emre_1974tr]

Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction


4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.


6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe.

5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction


4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.


6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe.

5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is.

Amusing. You fight against a strawman fiction that nobody here espouses in the first place. Trinity? I do not believe there is any god to have an irrational trinity in the first place.

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction

Oh, we agree! And the Quran, a monotheistic fiction

ETA: Congratulations on staying on topic once

[halleyscomet]

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

Oh, we agree! And the Quran, a monotheistic fiction

ETA: Congratulations on staying on topic once

It’s a miracle!

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction


4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.


6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe.

5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is.

In fairness, your stupid little Quarn book, made up by the corrupt Bedoin Mohamed is just as screwed up as the Bible.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction


4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.


6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe.

5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is.

Your delusion that the cut throat bandit Muhammad was a messenger of God is nonsense. He states clearly in the Quran that in his time Jews and Christians all thought they were sons of God, but he denied it because he wanted all the power for himself. This is the ultimate blasphemy against the teachings of Jesus.


Quran 5.18. (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

[Scorpion]

Here is a piece I wrote on Muhammad's blasphemy.

The quran states quite clearly that God is one, and it is a blasphemy to say Jesus is the son of God, at sura 5.72 and it is a blasphemy to say God is part of a trinity. at sura 5.73.

Sura 5.72 They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary"

Sura 5.73 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no God except One God.

But the bible says you may be forgiven for blasphemy against Jesus, but to deny the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven. Therefore if the bible is right then Muhammad was an unforgivable blasphemer.
Only one book can be right, and there is no room for adjustment here. So it is quite clear that the quran does not confirm all the previous messages, as it claims to do at sura 10.37

Sura 10.37 This quran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of revelations that went before it, and a fuller explanation.


It is clear where Muhammad got the idea of claiming he received the quran from the angel Gabriel in the bible, as the angel is sent to Zacharias to tell him of the coming of John the baptist at Luke 1.11 to 1.20 The angel Gabriel also visited Mary to tell her about Jesus at Luke 1.27

But the bible states that it was the Holy Ghost that spoke through Jesus, and later the through the disciples, so the angel Gabriel was not required to tell the word of God, as God himself in the form of the holy Ghost speaks with the mouth of his true messengers.
Therefore what doubt can there be that Muhammad invented a lie about God, and said he was told what was written on a tablet in heaven, and he remembered the message and passed it on to his followers. There can be no clearer indictment of Muhammad as a false prophet than the denial of the trinity, and the power of the holy spirit to speak through a true messenger.
Muhammad could not speak without thinking about his words, as he might contradict himself or make errors. Which of course, he did do anyway. But he gave himself time to go away and think up his next statement by claiming he had to get the message from Gabriel.


The following are the bible texts that state denying the Holy Ghost is an unforgivable sin, but denying Jesus is not.

Matthew:12:31: Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Matthew:3:29: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Luke:12:10: And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


These are some more verses that explain the concept that the Holy Ghost is God within us. which is the message Muhammad denies, and for which there is no forgiveness.

1Co:6:19: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co:12:3: Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Jo:5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


The only conclusion anyone can really draw from this complete contradiction between the message of the New Testament, that the Holy Ghost enters true prophets, and God speaks through them, and the message of the quran that Muhammad claims he received as dictation from the angel Gabriel.
Is that Muhammad has committed the unforgivable blasphemy by denying The holy ghost and that Jesus was a part of God, and as a consequence denying the concept that God is within us all.

[Scorpion]

Here are bible references that say we are all children of God.

Psalms:82:6: I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Isa:41:23: Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.

John:10:34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

1Co:6:19: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

[aleCcowaN]

Holly sheet (of Turin)! Allazus!

When does this end? I mean, with these two conflicting video-game narratives?

Why can't everyone be good and play with their own toys without busting the balls of the kid nearby?

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

Holly sheet (of Turin)! Allazus!

When does this end? I mean, with these two conflicting video-game narratives?

Why can't everyone be good and play with their own toys without busting the balls of the kid nearby?

Its been going on since the crusades, and there is no end in sight.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Its been going on since the crusades, and there is no end in sight.

Why are you perpetuating it?

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by abaddon

Why are you perpetuating it?

In case you had not noticed, fanatical Muslims crashed planes into the world trade center. Not to mention we are at war with ISIS who want to take over the world and subject us all to Sharia laws.

[RecoveringYuppy]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

In case you had not noticed, fanatical Muslims crashed planes into the world trade center. Not to mention we are at war with ISIS who want to take over the world and subject us all to Sharia laws.

If you'll reread for content and meaning you might realize that your post makes it sound like you want those things to continue. Try again, perhaps?

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

In case you had not noticed, fanatical Muslims crashed planes into the world trade center. Not to mention we are at war with ISIS who want to take over the world and subject us all to Sharia laws.

In case you had not noticed, christians want to enshrine their crackpot beliefs in law in the western world. They don't call it sharia, but it is religious law nevertheless.

When a Texas judge instructs a jury to find a defendant not guilty because "god told me the defendant is innocent" you know you have christian sharia on your hands.

The jury gave god a PFO and convicted the perp anyway.

This thread is on the topic of Imre's crank beliefs not yours.

[Thor 2]

Originally Posted by abaddon

In case you had not noticed, christians want to enshrine their crackpot beliefs in law in the western world. They don't call it sharia, but it is religious law nevertheless.

When a Texas judge instructs a jury to find a defendant not guilty because "god told me the defendant is innocent" you know you have christian sharia on your hands.

The jury gave god a PFO and convicted the perp anyway.

This thread is on the topic of Imre's crank beliefs not yours.

The Christians used to have the authority of law not that long ago I might add. A reminder of this might be the trial of Joan of Ark.

Do you have a link to that Texas judge story?

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Thor 2

The Christians used to have the authority of law not that long ago I might add. A reminder of this might be the trial of Joan of Ark.

Do you have a link to that Texas judge story?

Yup.

[Craig B]

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

The Qu'ran didn't correct anything. That book merely retells the same nonsense with some variations in the original story.

God is not tired.

The correction of that idea was made in the Torah, long before the Quran appeared. The Ten Commandments are enumerated in three separate places in the Torah, in probable chronological order: Exodus 34, Exodus 20, Deuteronomy 5.

The first of these is void of moral content. But this quality later developed within the human mind, to a limited but detectable degree. Compare the justification for the Sabbath in Ex 20 and Deut 5, cited below.

The first has the absurd idea that God got knackered creating the universe. And then he needed a snooze after that exertion. But the second passage rationalises the Sabbath, and offers a clearly moral justification for it. In these changes we see something very human, and not at all divine - a hard-won improvement in moral understanding.

In this particular matter, Muhammad invented nothing. He even seems unaware that the Torah was there before him, first inserting, then removing, the notion of a "tired god" from the minds of worshippers. As so often happens, however, the past sell by date material remained in place, beside the new stuff, and emitted a nasty smell. People often forget to throw the garbage out, as we all know.

Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work ... 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Deuteronomy 5:13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work ... so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt ...