|
Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today. |
28th July 2020, 08:11 PM | #1841 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 36,111
|
I find it odd that Christians assert that God must remain anonymous for some goddish reason or other. According to the Bible, back in the days of Adam and Eve and Abraham, that same god had no such problem. He want walking in the garden. He talked to people back then. Abraham even argued with him. What went wrong, do you suppose? Anonymous hate mail? Doxxing?
|
__________________
Like many humorless and indignant people, he is hard on everybody but himself, and does not perceive it when he fails his own ideal (Molière) A pedant is a man who studies a vacuum through instruments that allow him to draw cross-sections of the details (John Ciardi) |
|
28th July 2020, 09:31 PM | #1842 |
Spectral Challenger
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Berlin
Posts: 1,602
|
|
__________________
Flat Earth Theory: The unfortunate result of ordering pizza to satisfy munchies after smoking way too much weed to bring you down from that hectic acid trip. |
|
29th July 2020, 12:03 AM | #1843 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-65732-4 This is typical of the articles I have referenced. I have seen no detailed rebuttal of why this article is wrong. There are many like it, all investigating slightly different aspects of the harm being done. The counter arguments are experiments that DO NOT mimic these types of studies. They do short-term studies and look at properties that are not affected and then proclaim no harm overall. Point me at a post that had the detail you speak of. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 12:04 AM | #1844 |
Schrödinger's cat
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 16,140
|
OK, I just read PartSkeptic's poltergeist story. Main things that struck me:
1. PS knew about the suicide before he started caretaking the property (an organic farm) 2. The "incidents" took place in the first six weeks he stayed there, a period when he could have had no idea whatsoever what the typical rate of minor incidents involving insects, electrical faults etc were on the property, so his assessment that there were an unusual number of them is worthless. In other words: nothing to see here, move along. |
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett |
|
29th July 2020, 12:15 AM | #1845 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
There is enough information about the attributes of God. That he is good and expects humankind to aspire to goodness. And can influence people and events. And judge souls in the afterlife. Other gods do not have the track history of the one Abrahamic god who has an equivalent in other religions such as Hinduism and Shamanism and the many tribal religions including animism. We all now that the Greek, Roman and Norse Gods were myths, and that the Aztec and Mayan gods were more like Satan. Yes, it makes sense. It explains many mystic happenings that skeptics dismiss purely because they cannot be explained by them or science. Especially if I relate the whole story and how it fits together. Forget about some teachings of clerics that appear to be in their own self interest. They are relatively easy to spot when compared with the direct teachings of the great prophets. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 12:29 AM | #1846 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
|
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 12:47 AM | #1847 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
Mmmm. So If I said I was tested at 17 as having an IQ of 147, got 5 out 5 distinctions in first year varsity, was accused by teachers at high school of cheating because my marks were impossibly high, of having a patent with machines that became the world standard, of having scored an impossible score in an IQ test at the age of 51, and a long list of other intellectual achievements, you would say I am lying? Or are those just ho-hum compared to you? And I do not think I am baffled by why you take such a stand. However, tell me why you do? Do you understand that I do not consider that I am bragging, just trying to fix an obvious misunderstanding that is being used to tell me I do not understand the world and science? And that I am not deluding myself about my abilities? You give me a chance to lay out concisely a key problem on this thread. Many statements that I am wrong about an issue are based on an outright or implied (and false) position about my capabilities. Why do comparisons? (I think I know why but I ask anyway in case I am mistaken.) |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 01:00 AM | #1848 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
A very valid question. Only a few people have had such direct contact. Even Jesus wondered for a short time why God had abandoned him. Even in those days people accepted that there were only a few people with spirit connections - both good and evil. They were judged on their words and their unwavering belief that they had interacted with God. The false prophets have all failed the test of time. My answer is that proof of God or spirit would change the world dynamic. And history shows that it can have a profound effect. When rulers accepted that there was a great and good God, some became beneficial rulers that tried to do good, and often society prospered. At the moment, many powerful people do not accept the universality of people as all being equal in the sight of God. The "enemy" is not a person but a pest or non-human that can be exterminated or left to die without moral consequence. Judgement day may be a bit of a shock. Getting ahead with no regard to the planet or fellow humans is no longer an option. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 01:03 AM | #1849 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
|
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 01:06 AM | #1850 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 5,265
|
So, that paper that says that continous exposure at levels of 0,15W/kg (no clue how that relates to the amount of energy in wifi, but I don't think my wifi uses that much power) shows that cells grow slightly slower but there is NO cell death and NO DNA damage.
The paper that says that IF there is any effect it might be on growing children. That paper? |
29th July 2020, 01:14 AM | #1851 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
1. I knew. So what? I was initially told it happened months before and not near the house. The happenings caused me to investigate and try to talk directly to the spirit. And then events happened as if "guided". Doing what the spirit wanted was very helpful. I did not mention that the haunting of the ex-girl friend and her mother stopped right away. 2. The rate of such incidents in any place at any time was unusual. And I did not have daily nuisance incidents after meeting with the friend. Why discourage people from reading it themselves? You can state you see nothing unusual, as your opinion. Others may not see it the way you do. Let them be the judge. The other purpose of the story is to illustrate how God may have been giving me lessons. Events happen, followed by a reading or information from people to guide my thinking. I have told the story without embellishment or exaggeration. Adding extra details detracts from credibility. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 01:14 AM | #1852 |
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 839
|
|
29th July 2020, 01:21 AM | #1853 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
Your response reminds me of the tobacco executive that says he accepts that smoking may cause smaller children, but some women may want smaller children. Experiments are different and show different effects. Many are short term. An effect was demonstrated. How many smokers got lung cancer in the first 10 years of studies. Not enough to prove causative harm. But after 20 years the graphs of lung cancer followed the graph of smokers. Your lack of concern is concerning. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 01:28 AM | #1854 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
What have I said that is false? Most of what I say confirms many truths in many religions. It is a rationalization of the logic of our existence. How about you answer my question about an infinite intelligence being logically inevitable? Even if it was not the Prime Cause (sorry - the beginning state before all other states - for those who do not believe in cause and effect ) I doubt that I would have been allowed to visit my late wife in the really good place if I was being a false prophet. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 01:34 AM | #1855 |
Schrödinger's cat
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 16,140
|
So you were primed to notice, and assign significance to, any incident you considered out of the ordinary.
Quote:
And no, your subjective judgement as to what might or might not be considered unusual is not evidence. Actual data is required. A baseline to which your experiences can be compared. Personally I would expect incidents of insect infestation on an organic farm (where pesticides are forbidden) to be fairly common, for example. On what basis did you decide that the number that were actually occurring was greater that that which would be expected?
Quote:
|
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett |
|
29th July 2020, 01:41 AM | #1856 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 5,265
|
You are the one to cite a paper to support your conspiracy when that paper does not support your conspiracy.
It's not my fault I actually understand what it says whereas you seem to have stopped at the title. A failing of yours Jayutah and Pixel42 have highlighted a lot, so you'd think you'd learn. |
29th July 2020, 02:00 AM | #1857 |
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 839
|
Everything you say is false. You are not ill, you don't have a wife etc. Nope. I don't remember you asking me a question. But the question is hot rubbish anyway. I doubt you are telling the truth. |
29th July 2020, 02:09 AM | #1858 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 5,265
|
In fact, lets do a calculation.
0,15 W /kg is the energy used in the paper. Now, I am not a conspiracy theorist, so my Wifi is just on permanently. Assuming a kg of human cells takes up about a liter, that translates to a power of 0,15W/L to get the effect in the paper. How would that translate. My house is about 330 m3, which would translate to about 49.5 kW of power needed in the house at any time all the time to replicate the effects in the paper. Of course, given that energy signals decay with 1/r2, the actual power my router would need to pull would be far higher. Looking at my energy bills this is not the case. So once again, this re-enforces what I told you before. the radiation from WiFi does NOT damage DNA and will only have effects on cells when used in amounts not regularly used or present. |
29th July 2020, 04:41 AM | #1859 |
Mistral, mistral wind...
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Embedded and embattled, reporting from Mississippi
Posts: 5,203
|
Re the highlighted- from your story:
Quote:
As for the rest of it- I have no doubt all that things happened pretty much the way you describe them, and that you, with your pre-disposition for such things, feel like you had no choice but to conclude that the suicide-with-a-message was the only possible explanation. Surely, though, you can see why, just on your narrative, others without that pre-disposition would conclude otherwise? For example, to add to Pixel's observation that you knew about the suicide before you started caretaking, you also knew the gruesome details of it, how the body was found, before you had your little "thoughts and feelings" tête-à-tête with the "spirit." Please don't tell me I need to tell you the significance of that- that what resulted from the conversation with the "spirit" was indistinguishable from what would have resulted from a conversation simply with yourself, you learned nothing you didn't already know and didn't pass along anything that could only have come from Vernon. As far as the snake goes- I don't know much about cobras, but I'd guess that snakes do strange things when they're trapped in an unfamiliar environment. I live in south Mississippi (yeah, I know), and once had a copperhead get into the bedroom of a house I was living in. I bashed him over the head, stunning him for long enough to get him in an old pillowcase, then gave him to a friend of mine whose wife had a snake collection in the shed we were using for band practice (I played guitar, he was the drummer). I swear that snake recognized me every time I walked in the door of the shed, throwing himself against the glass and baring the one fang I'd left him. But that may have been the music- there was a certain amount of old Black Sabbath involved. Yours is a "you had to be there" story, that's fine. But that sort of story, to convince anyone who wasn't there, needs a resolution better than the one you've provided. |
__________________
I'm tired of the bombs, tired of the bullets, tired of the crazies on TV; I'm the aviator, a dream's a dream whatever it seems Deep Purple- "The Aviator" Life was a short shelf that came with bookends- Stephen King |
|
29th July 2020, 05:35 AM | #1860 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
I have put a PDF on Google Drive.
It is some emails I sent at the time. Edited to be briefer while still giving the information of what was going on. I did not keep a diary but it seemed to be daily issues of all sorts. I felt it was unusual even for me. I do not think you can say I remembered incorrectly. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1193...ew?usp=sharing I think I got the sharing right. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 06:02 AM | #1861 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
The driveway ran up to the house and had a circle for turning. Off the circle was a short bit of drive up to parking outside the house, The side which was the bedroom. I did not realize the suicide had parked next to the house but just inside the gate. I was not aware of exactly when it was before we moved in. Even if he had committed suicide inside the house a week before, it would not have worried me. Later in life, my outlook was that the supernatural is harmless if one has good thoughts.
Your analysis of my "chat" is correct. As is your last sentence. I also have to doubt that I "actually" spoke to a ghost. There are two points to the story. A series of coincidences both leading up to the "chat", and also the coincidences after the chat. Plus the book which lead me to think about spirits/ghost versus souls. Does my hypothesis that ghosts are spirits in the form of the person who died, and they decay into spirit dust after a while, not explain ghosts (if they exist) in general? And that they have some "residual" intelligence and ability to cause "unusual things" to happen? Yes, it could be my imagination, but it has to be seen as part of a larger hypothesis. If we are virtual beings in the mind of an Infinite Intelligence, then nothing is impossible. And the more complex the "dream story" is the more entertaining it is for the Entity. Occam's razor is the last thing the Entity wants. Can you be positive you are not in virtual reality? If some people choose to say we are (I think it is more probable than the spontaneous appearance of matter and energy which obey a complex set of laws), how can they be told they are wrong? I have a some other ghost stories. Each one I now consider to be a "lesson". I may be wrong. Skeptics will be skeptical and believers will be interested because it just may be the truth. Thanks for a reasoned post giving me feedback. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 06:07 AM | #1862 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
I have holidayed many times on my grandmothers farm and my uncles farm. The infestation and problems on this farm were unusual. When we moved in, the owners had everything running smoothly. One asks why - is there a reason? If I did not think that ghosts might exist I would not have tried to chat with the ghost. See my Google document - the before and after were very different.
My figuring out that I needed to make an apology was correct, even if I figured it out by "talking to myself". It gave closure to some people. The ex girl friends haunting stopped. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 06:21 AM | #1863 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The great American West
Posts: 24,911
|
|
29th July 2020, 06:32 AM | #1864 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The great American West
Posts: 24,911
|
Originally Posted by PartSkeptic
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
29th July 2020, 06:39 AM | #1865 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The great American West
Posts: 24,911
|
Typical of? Or have referenced before?
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
29th July 2020, 07:02 AM | #1866 |
Schrödinger's cat
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 16,140
|
And the answer is: yes, there are many possible reasons. Why go straight to a supernatural one?
A better comparison than memories of a completely different farm at a completely different time would be actual facts about similar farms in the same area at the same time. Infestation levels can vary enormously depending on weather, climate, season and level of pesticides in use. Did you make any attempt to discover any such facts for comparison at the time? Of course you didn't. You already "knew" the reason for the completely unremarkable events you experienced, in the same way you already "know" the reason for your headaches. |
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett |
|
29th July 2020, 07:10 AM | #1867 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The great American West
Posts: 24,911
|
Almost everything you've tried to say about physics, for example. But in the context of prophecy, I went into some detail about your coronavirus prophecy and how you're trying to make the facts fit what was obviously a tentative extrapolation based on HIV.
Quote:
"Many truths in many religions," sidesteps the point that none of these religions can prove their unique beliefs are true, and many have given up and told us that we just need to have faith. That many religions share a basic philosophy and outlook doesn't anchor them to anything except the human experience. And if you're simply following along, it doesn't "confirm" anything except that congruence. It doesn't make you special. If ten people speculate similarly about something, that's not what it means to achieve confirmation. It certainly doesn't magically imbue the tenth person with anything remarkable.
Quote:
Quote:
|
29th July 2020, 07:53 AM | #1868 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,083
|
|
29th July 2020, 07:55 AM | #1869 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
Just a note as Pixel42 and I track mortality rates.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53576653 ...The high prevalence rate in the Mumbai slums could partly be explained by the fact that residents share common facilities such as toilets. "The results showed how crowding plays a key role in the spread of the infection," Dr Juneja said. The study also found that a large section of people had been infected and survived with no or little symptoms, leading to a low fatality rate in these areas - one in 1,000 to one in 2,000. This also lowers the city-wide death rate from Covid-19. And more women were found to have been exposed to infection by the virus in both slum and non-slum areas. "This is very interesting. We do not know the reason. It could be anything from social behaviour to underlying physiological differences," Dr Kolthur said. Unclear whether the unknown reason refers to women or to the low mortality rate or both. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 08:00 AM | #1870 |
Mistral, mistral wind...
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Embedded and embattled, reporting from Mississippi
Posts: 5,203
|
Just re the highlighted, because this framing has always kind of bugged me- you do understand that the "complex set of laws" is not something that matter and energy's behaviors must conform to, as if it's some cosmic cage, right? That, rather, those behaviors are what define the laws? The universe as a system is not a normative one- the laws are descriptive, not prescriptive.
As for "how can they be told they are wrong"...a universe like you describe has no laws nor limits at all, so they can't be proved to be wrong, since any outcome is consistent with any cause. But if they, who believe it and therefore bear the burden of showing evidence for it, can't do any better than to point to a universe which is no different than the one reality points to, then their being right is indistinguishable from their being wrong, and the whole thing's a pointless muddle. |
__________________
I'm tired of the bombs, tired of the bullets, tired of the crazies on TV; I'm the aviator, a dream's a dream whatever it seems Deep Purple- "The Aviator" Life was a short shelf that came with bookends- Stephen King |
|
29th July 2020, 08:09 AM | #1871 |
Schrödinger's cat
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 16,140
|
I am not tracking mortality rates. Why would I be tracking mortality rates? The only prediction you made concerning mortality rates was the one about an eventual 60% reduction in the world's population, and it's far too soon to evaluate that one. Though it's (fortunately) not so far looking likely to be a hit.
|
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett |
|
29th July 2020, 08:12 AM | #1872 |
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 839
|
|
29th July 2020, 08:20 AM | #1873 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
The one time I approached the lecturer on a relativity problem I did it one on one after the lecture. Maybe he had other things to do. Perhaps he could have answered it, if he gave it some thought. I give you a list of facts without embellishment or put-downs of others and what do you give me? An ad hominem cloaked in sarcasm. Try some tolerance of other people who may be different in a different way. You could have asked me if being academically bright was an advantage and if I found it rewarding. The answer would have been that it was both a blessing and a curse, and not many people would want to exchange lives with mine. Luckily, I was little autistic and did not understand the envy and sarcasm when I was younger. They dared not bully me. It was clear they would regret it even they outnumbered me. Now I understand sarcasm and the reasons behind it. But I am confident in who I am. It took a lot to overcome my self-criticism of dealing socially with others. I made some embarrassing mistakes but learned and changed in a positive way. Having been through self-doubt when younger has taught me how people look at themselves and how they may or may not get over it. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
29th July 2020, 08:31 AM | #1874 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The great American West
Posts: 24,911
|
You said the answer was obvious to anyone who had studied relativity. In fact, we know it to be a common textbook example. You said he took three days to tell you he was stumped. You keep changing the story.
Quote:
|
29th July 2020, 08:34 AM | #1875 |
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 839
|
|
29th July 2020, 09:14 AM | #1876 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,083
|
It's not an ad hom. Covid has me pretty well devoid of humor these days, so I welcome the chance to simply laugh at the utterly nonsensical assertions you keep vomiting out in this thread. So I'm not discounting your arguments or statements, just laughing out loud at them. Because that's all they deserve - naked laughter.
|
29th July 2020, 02:50 PM | #1877 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Republic of Ireland
Posts: 23,499
|
I would say that mine is higher, but I don't go about bragging about it. Because it's meaningless.
I would say I got more, but I don't go around braging about that either. Because it is similarly meaningless. I would say that is BS. Plenty of us right here have patents. What of it? It is a mundane thing. So what? I wouldn't care. It's irrelevant to this discussion. Yup. Pretty ho-hum to me. You have demonstrated your lack of understanding. We need no other evidence. You are mistaken. Yet again. |
__________________
Who is General Failure? And why is he reading my hard drive? ...love and buttercakes... |
|
29th July 2020, 02:53 PM | #1878 |
Schrödinger's cat
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 16,140
|
Thinking about this some more, I don't think it's a good idea for you to be the one to judge whether the power level reached the required level by viewing a recording of the meter after the trial. You will know whether you experienced symptoms at that point, and that knowledge may influence your judgement. The person who makes that judgement must be someone else, and they should be unaware of whether you experienced symptoms when they make it. As your wife is the only other participant in the trials she should make that judgement, either by monitoring the meter in real time or by viewing the recording before you reunite.
|
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett |
|
30th July 2020, 02:15 AM | #1879 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 4,801
|
I found the IQ test with 50 questions in 15 minutes.
Each one only took me a few seconds. At an average of 18 seconds a question, I reckon I could do it again in possibly half the time. I only found a few that I needed a bit more time to think if I had the right answer. To be sure I understood the question. I wonder why they said it was impossible to get 50 out of 50? Do not cheat and see what you guys get. Have someone download for you and time you. Pencils down precisely at the end. No saying "One second more as I am about to write the answer." It is a speed test, and one needs accuracy. At the time, I expected it to be difficult, so I paced myself and focused on steady reading and writing of answers. The reading and writing the answers takes a little time. Recording the answers with a recorder, or having someone write them would save time but that is not the way the test is done. I will post it. It is a very bad scan, so it will take a bit of time to type it out. My curiosity now has me wondering. I may do it today, but it may only be Saturday. I had to make adjustments to the guillotine valve to get the machine working reliably. It is my opinion that the Pneumatics Specialists (in SA? Hard to find - most have emigrated) put in cup washers on the pistons that are way too stiff. It worked in the summer but not in the cold. The valve was warm from my car when I installed the modified valve and then it worked. I had to increase the spring tension and decrease the inlet air pressure today when it mis-operated in the cold. Here is the valve with the mods. The top O-ring seals on the piston top blow-off part can be seen. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FgA...ew?usp=sharing I am practical. Before I went to Wits I was on a technicians course. I did two years before I got the bursary to Wits U. Part of the course was an accelerated apprenticeship course. I reckon it would benefit most young people. That and 3 months basic army training. And our artisans would have at least some basics. Most in SA worked with and watched a professional and then have a sign saying "Plumber" outside a hardware store. |
__________________
**Agnostic theist. God/Satan/Angels/Demons may not exist - but I choose to think the probability is that they do. By personal experience.** |
|
30th July 2020, 02:30 AM | #1880 |
Schrödinger's cat
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 16,140
|
I left school (and home) at 16 with £5 in my pocket that I'd earned doing a Saturday job in Woolworths. I got a job at GCHQ winding coils, wiring circuits and making the tea for £9 a week, which even in 1970 was practically slave labour. The one advantage was they were happy to pay for me to do day release as long as I wanted, and I was able to get ONC and HNC in electronics and a degree in Mathematics. Took eight years all together, one day and two evenings (plus a ******** of homework) a week. I then moved into industry where I quickly advanced to management level ...
Hang on, why am I telling you all this? What relevance does it have to this thread? None whatever, of course. Nobody cares what your IQ is, or what your skills are, or how much you think you impressed your lecturers 50 years ago, PartSkeptic. We're sceptics. The only thing we care about is the quality of the evidence with which you can support your claims. So tell us about that, and drop the irrelevant bragging. |
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett |
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|