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30th July 2020, 02:37 AM | #1881 |
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This thread does reek of onions.
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30th July 2020, 03:12 AM | #1882 |
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30th July 2020, 06:29 AM | #1883 |
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30th July 2020, 07:49 AM | #1884 |
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Literally no one cares. You're going out of your way to brag anecdotally -- [groan] again -- about how exceptional you are. Literally no one here believes you. Literally no one here cares. The only reason IQ was mentioned in this thread was to praise you (prematurely, It seems) for not being so foolish as to try to make it part of the discussion.
You claim your household electronics are giving you headaches. You can either provide evidence for that claim that skeptics find convincing, or you cannot. |
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Who is General Failure? And why is he reading my hard drive? ...love and buttercakes... |
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30th July 2020, 08:54 AM | #1887 |
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Nailed it.
I was thinking on his statement about getting top marks for his first year Uni degree. Funny that, I did the same - the reason being that I also did a technician’s course before I went to Uni (after 2 years of military service, but that’s another story). Point is, after 2 years of tech, first year Uni is really easy - the only real challenge is the exponential increase in workload. I don’t know specifically what institution PS attended, but I found that I was way ahead of the standard first years after two extra years of studying subjects not taught at school and two years in a high stress dangerous environment dealing with idiots and people who wanted to kill me. Aside: if I had the choice, I would have rather opted out of the military part, but at least I made the best of it. It was a crazy time best left forgotten. Tech gave me a very good practical intro into electronics, which helped me right through my degree/s. |
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30th July 2020, 09:09 AM | #1888 |
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Have we gotten anecdotes yet on how PS is also a prodigy in arts, history and any other subject he sets his mind to?
Of course unverifiable anecdotes are the best he has, because any time he actually tries to engage in science his large inadequacies show quickly. Oh by the way PS, I took the test. I decided to ignore it the first 17 minutes while looking at birdsigns, then filled in all the questions blindly. But I'm so intelligent, I got an IQ of 238. True story, my wife was in the room. |
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Back in the long ago, the maxim of many I knew was that if you had actually learned anything in high school, the first year of college is wasted. It's true. Most of that first year was taken up with trying to bring students up to the level of the lies they'd told to get in.
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30th July 2020, 09:39 AM | #1890 |
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He's told us on more than one occasion how awesome his memory is (he's also told us that electrosmog has caused him memory problems, so whatever), which I think means we should take all his anecdotes at face value because he remembers everything so well, things never get confused or embellished in his memory, that only happens to mere plebs with regular memories.
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30th July 2020, 10:07 AM | #1892 |
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Things have, of course, changed a bit since that oh so long ago time I went to college, but at that time, some places, the University of Connecticut for example, practiced nearly open admission, and the first year was openly declared a time of "accelerated attrition." I had gone to a private high school with pretty high academic standards, and for me, it was a sweat-free year. The English course was closer to my eighth grade than my 12th, and the history course used the same text I'd had in 11th. We did have a really nice drama course, part of the homework was to go out on weekends and see plays, and the teacher was a true lover of drama. I liked that one!
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30th July 2020, 10:16 AM | #1893 |
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"Accelerated attrition" - classic! Yeah, first year is pretty much a winnowing experience.
I hear you on English - I had the extreme pleasure of being taught by a young and brilliant teacher when I was 16 (trying to circumvent grading), who instilled in me an everlasting love of language, theatre and the arts. You get good teachers and mediocre ones. The good ones I remember vividly. |
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30th July 2020, 06:14 PM | #1899 |
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I suggest this may be a psychological issue related to claiming non-existent medical disorders (Munchhausen Syndrome)
"A pathological liar is someone who lies compulsively......Some lies seem to be told in order to make the pathological liar appear the hero, or to gain acceptance or sympathy, while there’s seemingly nothing to be gained from other lies." https://www.healthline.com/health/pa...iar#what-is-it |
31st July 2020, 12:10 AM | #1900 |
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Absolutely.
How many forum members have seen the Tim Burton movie "Big Fish"? It's a match to the content of this thread. |
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This seemed appropriate for the tactics of some posters on this thread.
Dogbert to Dilbert: "I stopped using good arguments because sarcasm works better." Dilbert replies: "That does not sound like a productive thing to do." Dogbert: "Oooh, look who's an expert on productivity now." Anyone recognize themselves? (no sarcastic responses, please ) I was in bad shape yesterday. Had to take two pain tablets. It seems to be remnants of the flu. How does one determine whether it was/is Covid? Many countries are recommending one goes to self-isolate for 14 days rather than go to a doctor or get tested, and only get medical help if the condition worsens. Seem better today. May try another modem test this afternoon. |
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31st July 2020, 12:37 AM | #1902 |
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Good for you. Why tell me? It increases my estimation of you and make me more likely to assess any of your posts with regard to how I answer them. This is not a science exercise to derive a proof. It is akin to a courtroom where the witnesses have to be examined with regard to their credentials, their mental competence, and their rationality - as well as their honesty. If I do not demonstrate the characteristics of your typical woo/conspiracy theorist/religious extremist/etc then it becomes difficult for posters to be dismissive of the experiences and events I have been through. I get criticized for not having the intelligence or experience to assess alternative causes to many of my experiences. How should I respond? By saying "Okay, you got me." Not. If I ran into a beach house and said that the sea had just retreated far out you should not spend time telling me that what I said was ridiculous. What you should do is give the story credence and do something. According to what I am telling you, you should consider running for the higher (moral) ground - and getting your affairs in order if they are not already. |
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If you are assessing the general character of someone because you're thinking about offering them a job, for example, then the factors you list are relevant. But if someone makes a straightforward claim of fact - "my headaches are caused by wifi", for example - then none of them are relevant. The only relevant information is the evidence that supports that claim. They might be ignorant and stupid, and the claim might still be true. They might be knowledgeable and intelligent, and the claim might still be false.
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Courtroom experts have to provide credentials as to their expertise and experience work in the field directly related to the field their going to be giving they're expert testimonial on.
An anecdote about how some time in the past they sat a 15 minute IQ test for a job interview and scored an "impossible" IQ score would not be acceptable as evidence of expertise. Neither would an anecdote about how they once sat in a single physics lecture and stumped the lecturer with a question about relativity that the lecturer couldn't answer after three days. Neither would stories about how they didn't attend college lecturers, but crammed the night before exams and that's how they passed their college exams. Etc. etc. All of those would rightly be thrown out as evidence of your expertise. They would be seen for what they are, anecdotes being told by a narcissist to show how they're cleverer than everyone else they're dealing wiht. |
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Boasting about stumping lecturers/professors/experts at their own game and boasting about having a super-duper IQ are in fact common characteristics of typical woo slingers.
Experts do not use their supposedly amazing IQ scores or how they were able to stump professors at college when they were young as evidence of their expertise. |
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I've never had my IQ tested, but from my understanding, an actual valid IQ test takes a lot longer than 15 minutes (I've heard they usually take a couple of hours in the presence of a certified test giver) and there's no such thing as an "impossible" score. Any IQ test administered properly give valid scores up to a certain point (150 or 160 or whatever depending on the test in question) and any scores above that are deemed to be unreliable as they're outside the range of scores the test can give accurate scores for. I'm skeptical of the idea of someone taking a valid IQ test that took only 15 minutes and the test giver told the testee that they scored an impossible score.
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A fifteen minute IQ test is rather like those "draw Tippy!" blurbs for art schools - meant to make you think you're special enough to order/sign up for whatever is being hawked. And on a numeric-scaled test an "impossible score" would be going so far afield with wrong answers you wind up scoring "banana". That much I could imagine being true in this case.
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No, you're not the victim of mean ol' skeptics run amok. No, people aren't using sarcasm because they have no good arguments. They're resorting to sarcasm because it's become painfully obvious you have no interest in either hearing or making good arguments. All that's left for them is to be amused at what nutty, unsupported claim you're going to make next. A half dozen or so people have attempted against their better judgment to take you seriously, only to find themselves abused or ignored. This because they don't follow the script you've laid out for the debate, in which your critics are ill-mannered antagonists with easily-refuted arguments. The first thing that has to happen if you genuinely want a serious debate is for you to stop trying to play the victim.
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Yes. I've had a formal IQ test, administered by a qualified, licensed psychologist. No, I don't know my score, as it was simply part of a battery of tests that made me eligible to perform certain work. It is a timed test, but it's a lot longer than 15 minutes.
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On a now defunct forum there was a member who claimed that the WTC towers couldn't have fallen according to the "official story". He used to repeatedly tell the same anecdotes about how he was a computer engineer of some sort who used to work with boffins from IBM and how they didn't understand how benchmarking worked and other issues related to computer science. The point of these stories was to let everyone know how smart he was that he could outwit IBM boffins with PhDs.
Therefore we should pay attention to his amateurish analysis about how the WTC towers fell. This is a common theme amongst people peddling quackery and crackpottery of all sorts, and they seem completely blind to how these kind of anecdotes don't actually make them seem smart and knowledgable, they just make them seem narcissistic and full of themselves, especially when they're telling boastful anecdotes that have nothing to do with the actual matter being discussed. |
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That is generally true. However, the book Loss Leader recommends as instructive on this point, The Cadaver King and the Country Dentist, shows both the deplorable state of what is considered "science" in the courtroom, and the ease with which people can be accepted as expert witnesses in court.
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Hilarious! It get's better....... "Writer Marilyn vos Savant (born 1946) has an IQ of 228, the highest ever recorded." https://biography.yourdictionary.com...ver%20recorded.
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...... That can't be right. My cat's maximum attention span is only 15 minutes. "Mensa for cats" said "this won't be a problem!" after I handed them $2,500 for his IQ test. They even sent me a photo of Claude after taking the test.
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It took me a while to type out the test. I wanted it to look as much the same as the original test. Size, layout, wording, punctuation and so on.
The two links are: The test and the answers. Have fun. You can only waste 15 minutes of your time. I do not think that one can properly comment without doing the test first. One does not have to reveal their score, but commenting without doing it is seems much the same as commenting on climbing Mount Everest without actually trying the climb. I am interested in the feedback. I do not think it was as easy I mentioned earlier. Having some answers was a not too subtle prompt. Looking at a fresh sheet was different. On one of the number series I did it two different ways but got the same answer. That is for a discussion afterward. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sxg...ew?usp=sharing, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fLx...ew?usp=sharing |
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