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27th November 2020, 11:17 AM | #2401 |
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27th November 2020, 12:51 PM | #2403 |
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You misspelled "thorough."
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27th November 2020, 03:24 PM | #2404 |
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Just on a completely general and non-personal note it seems relevant to remember that truth depends on more than intention, and the measure of truth is not just good will. Error and delusion are not right because they are sincere.
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27th November 2020, 07:45 PM | #2405 |
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27th November 2020, 11:34 PM | #2406 |
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When someone makes a false claim it matters not whether they are deliberately lying, honestly mistaken or delusional. It matters only that they are unable to support the claim with objective evidence. That is the only justification required to dismiss it.
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28th November 2020, 06:57 AM | #2407 |
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There isn't a functional human adult out there who does not lie from time to time, whether it be exagerration, telling white lies to avoid hurting someone's feeling, lying by omission for various reasons, etc.
I'm not calling you a liar on any of this topic, but I simply point blank refuse to believe that you are a person who never tells lie. We all lie from time to time about various things. It's a simple part of human nature. Today I lied and agreed with someone who suggested I had a dose of the common cold. Fact is I get snotty and sniffly in cold weather and get stuffed up sinuses and I'm bored of explaining it to people so I just agree and say I've got a bit of a dose. A simple example of a harmless lie of the type we all engage in as part of natural human behaviour. Sometimes I tell little white lies because the truth is something I don't want them to know about. Recently I was exiting a pharmacist after picking up my monthly supply of antidepressants and met someone I work with who's an *******, he actually asked me what I was buying (which is a rude question to ask) and I said I was just picking up some antihistamines, because I didn't want to start telling him about my depression. I suppose I could have told him none of his business but I just wanted to get it over with and get away from him. We all do things like that. A person who never lies? I don't buy that at all. We think you doth protest too much about how some people are reacting to some of the tales you've been telling in this and other threads. edit: It's also a lousy "proof" of anything because it relies on others in this thread actually believing you that you never lie. I don't think anyone reading this thread is going to actually believe that so it does not count as proof or evidence of anything. |
28th November 2020, 09:23 AM | #2408 |
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Psychometric tests designed to assess psychopathology ask questions such as “Have you ever stolen anything?”. A “no” response raises questions of personality issues because we all have stolen something , even if it was just a candy bar from a grocery store. A pattern of similar absolute statements by an individual would probably, IMO, warrant further assessment. |
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28th November 2020, 09:49 AM | #2409 |
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I remember reading about some company that had as part of job interviews the question "Have you ever lied to a loved one?" and if you answered yes then you weren't considered for the job.
That shows quite an astounding lack of understanding of the basics of human nature. |
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29th November 2020, 07:36 AM | #2411 |
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29th November 2020, 11:02 AM | #2412 |
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Same here, but after a little over 60 hrs of sleeplessness, caught myself having hallucinations, hearing instructions from people bot there, forgetting if I came into the mess for breakfast, uttering stuff totally unrelated to actual conversation but some weird alternative situation
in my head that weirdly overlapped reality with weird differences, and most scary of all, "waking up" at odd times and places...at the lunch line or on top of a ladder hanging up something. (it was the days before the launch of an international conference at university and I was one of the organising members." |
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29th November 2020, 11:54 AM | #2413 |
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Hearing my name being called when no-one was around and hearing footsteps behind me when there was no-one there were audio hallucinations I had at the time. There were also visual hallucinations involved.
I can see why sleep deprivation is used as a form of torture (or "enhanced interrogation"). You could get someone to sign any confession or agree to anything if they were sleep deprived enough without them understanding what it was they were agreeing to because they were ******* insane from lack of sleep. But this is getting off topic. To get back on topic, I find it extremely difficult to believe PartSkeptic's claim that he never lies, and that he expects us to believe that and to accept it as evidence of his claims. It's rather odd and bizarre to me to be honest. |
29th November 2020, 01:52 PM | #2414 |
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Not long ago we rediscovered one of our now adult daughter's old possessions: a Magic 8-Ball (TM). As a method of divination it is superior to Tarot cards in that its pronouncements need no subjective interpretation. I posed the question "Should we accept PS's statements as true?" I performed the ritual, and the answer came:
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29th November 2020, 06:48 PM | #2415 |
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I had incredibly real to me hallucinations after surgery when I didn't know I was allergic to codeine.i had a dozen people in my room with me and we had a wonderful conversation about major league sports. They broke up my boredom too. Once off codeine and into fentanyl, they left and didn't come back.
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7th December 2020, 09:07 AM | #2416 |
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I am at Pilanesberg Game Park for a week. Very little cell phone radiation. I turned off the Wifi next to my bed. Down to one pain tablet a day (from 3 a day). I realized how sensitive I have become when I used my cell phone to scroll through a website. After 10 minutes I had a headache. Turned off my phone. Headache took about 20 minutes to go away.
I see there is an report on Havana Syndrome. When I said it was microwave radiation everyone scoffed. But the truth is now out. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55203844 The latest study was carried out by a team of medical and scientific experts who examined the symptoms of about 40 government employees. Many have suffered longstanding and debilitating effects, the report said. "The committee felt that many of the distinctive and acute signs, symptoms and observations reported by (government) employees are consistent with the effects of directed, pulsed radio frequency (RF) energy," the report reads. "Studies published in the open literature more than a half-century ago and over the subsequent decades by Western and Soviet sources provide circumstantial support for this possible mechanism." |
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7th December 2020, 09:08 AM | #2417 |
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7th December 2020, 09:23 AM | #2418 |
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I am amazed at how many people lie and deceive. On a regular basis. I cannot claim never to have lied. I just do not remember a situation where I did so. When I was younger, I tried to deflect blame to get out of an embarrassing situation. I have used blatant changing of the subject to avoid telling a lie to avoid hurting someone's feelings. There are situations when one is permitted to ethically lie but they are usually to avoid serious harm to others from an attacker or stop some ugly crime or other. I can list many situations where I told the truth despite the consequences to me. It actually got me out of trouble many times because the teacher / policeman / official could not believe I would be so honest. Because so many people lie on a regular basis, they assume others do the same. I was naïve when younger because I assumed people were like me and did not lie. It took me a long time to get some cynicism. |
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7th December 2020, 09:32 AM | #2419 |
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I have NEVER stolen anything. Absolutely not. Not even a pen or a pencil. I do not covet a possession belonging to someone else. See my previous post. Why not? Because it is wrong. I had an excellent memory (until I was 38) and remembered any embarrassing incidents for a very long time. Living with memories of my mistakes was bad enough. Living with guilt of stealing something would have made my life miserable. The tests were written by "ordinary" people who have stolen things themselves. |
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7th December 2020, 09:40 AM | #2420 |
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Wrong. If I claim I say I saw you kill someone, my credibility has to be assessed. A lie. A mistake. A delusion. These have to be considered. I have been called a liar on forums many times. Are there not situations where there is no objective evidence and one has to use judgement on the assessment of the truth of the claim? I just played Chinese checkers here at the chalet. When I was young I was successful once. I remembered the moves and was able to do it again. If you had asked me within a year of my doing it I would have given you objective evidence by repeating it. Now you have to make an assessment. Was my memory good enough? Was I analytical enough? Am I now truthful enough? You be the judge! |
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7th December 2020, 09:43 AM | #2421 |
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Fully agree. But once lying is probably not applicable then those other two possibilities can be considered.
For example. I gave Tarot card readings. I was accused of possibly doing many readings and picking the one I wanted. That amounts to a lie. I do not do that even if it is dents my credibility. |
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7th December 2020, 10:40 AM | #2424 |
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Except that's not the only example at this forum of you trying to rewrite history and reality in order to support your belief that you have some sort of supernatural gift. This one is just the most recent, and one of the more brazen.
And people aren't just "accusing" you. They're doing that, but then they're providing the evidence to back up their accusations. Your response to that evidence has been to dig yourself in deeper and tell more lies to try to cover up the first ones. At a certain point you just stop answering and come back only with indignant denials. As for your credibility, you really have none here, for the reasons given. Your approach has been to try to save face at all costs, even if it means telling more lies on top of lies. You seem to think that others can't tell that you're lying. I assure you they can. |
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7th December 2020, 10:46 AM | #2426 |
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Ample evidence has been given in this thread. You simply ignore it.
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8th December 2020, 07:11 AM | #2431 |
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Not much to respond to. I did spend quite a bit of time reviewing my history to try to recall incidents of theft or lies.
Some interesting anecdotes, but who cares - right? |
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8th December 2020, 07:15 AM | #2432 |
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So Covid is now reality. A God-sent pandemic to collapse the world and rebuild it. People worry about a few million deaths. I say it will be billions of deaths. You could say that it was foreseen as a possibility and so my "prediction" is of no value. There are one or two people saying that societal collapse MAY happen and that there should be planning. But there will not be. The odds are that quite a few posters here will not be here in a few years. |
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8th December 2020, 07:40 AM | #2434 |
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You haven't given anyone a reason to take you seriously or to believe you take them seriously. Your last few engagements here got a few responses, which you explicitly ignored by announcing that you weren't going to take the time to respond to them.
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It was certainly not my claim or observation. He mentioned only one reading. But in order to make that reading say what he needed, he changed the meaning of one of the cards. Initially he said that this was indicated by the book he was using. But when the book was consulted, it gave the traditional meaning of the card. He then changed his story to say that he was using his own system. And all these claims were made after the fact, so there is no way to preclude postdicton or ad hoc revision.
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Which doesn't match your symptoms.
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Still no verifiable prediction, I see. Either specify dates and numbers or go away, because you'll never earn the slightest credence here without them.
I even suggested some once, but you refused to be pinned down as usual. |
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What was it before? I agree with Pixel42: if you're going to prophesy here and not be laughed out of the room, you'll need to prophesy by skepticism's rules. You may still get laughed out of the room as your prophecy fails, which they inevitably do. But you have the burden first to justify why skeptics should take you seriously.
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I'm sure you realize that a number of coronavirus vaccines are poised for deployment, and that the U.S. population is expected to be fully vaccinated by summer 2021. Other countries expect similar results. Do your powers of insight tell you anything about the efficacy of these vaccines such that your death-toll prediction makes any sense?
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Your present prediction lacks the specificity to be testable, and so cannot serve as evidence of your claimed prophetic ability. Barring a timely revision or amendment, it too can be dismissed as of no value, and your claims as self-serving.
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What about parents who tell young children that Santa Claus exists and it was him that brought them their Christmas presents?
That's a lie. A deliberate untruth told to a child. And not done to stop them from an attacker or stop some ugly crime or other. Do you think that's ethically unacceptable? Your posts are too full of anecdotes and claims about how great your memory is (or was), how you have outsmarted college professors, how intelligent you are etc. I've been online for long enough to recognise these as the desperate attempts of someone trying to convince someone of woo, and bigging themselves up in the process by trying to convince the people disagreeing with them what an awesome person they are in an attempt to salvage or create some credibility. It isn't working. Your posts are also full of rambling irrelevant anecdotes that bear no relation to the matter at hand, while simultaneously you make excuses for not having time to actually address the criticisms directed at you. Even times JayUtah makes a thoughtful post addressing your specific claims you just brush it off as being too long to read. How long has it been since you claimed you'd perform your WiFi test to prove that they were the cause of your symptoms? It's been months but all we've had in that time is you making excuses for not doing the tests, complicating the tests by adding confounding factors, you've gotten plenty of help in how you might perform the test. But so far, no tests actually done. Just excuses and procrastination. |
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