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Old 8th November 2017, 03:26 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Gee- am I required to believe that all posters on this forum are always sincere when they post? Or if I am allowed to believe that privately in my heart of hearts (nice of the forum to permit it)- am I prohibited from questioning it in my public posts? Well I don't believe that all posters in the forum are always sincere in their posted statements. In fact, to further shock you, I believe that there are trolls on this very forum! But I also believe that I am free to state these views here as long as I do not identify individuals. Which I never have and will not do. Ironically given the topic we are discussing one might see your post to be meant as a threat, but fortunately, given it is not based on the actual rules, I didn't take it as such.
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Old 8th November 2017, 03:35 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Ugh those hypothetical are terrible.... on so many levels....

Try this one: employee posts negative thing on social media about client, company finds out about it, immediately launches her into the sun. Client does not threaten, does not in fact know about it.

You still think the client threatened the Company? Answer: No.
Thanks for supplying my answer for me- I was totally puzzled as to the correct one- yes, no- so complicated...

You are now stating that Trump (and all the power of the US government he controls) is essentially the same as a private client and that it is legitimate for us all to be careful not to offend him least we perceive that he might punish us, whether he has explicitly said he would or not? Trump's power to punish extends to us all, not just to government contractors: taxes, government investigations, etc. Sure it is illegal for Trump to employ these for political purposes- but so would be his use of the awarding of government contracts. And again I remind you that it was you who perceived a connection between the company firing Briskman and the threat of them losing government contracts (which would be illegal, unlike the situation with a private client).
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Old 8th November 2017, 03:39 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
'k.
"nuff said." As with many of our prior "witty" exchanges I fear this is boring the other posters and moving away from the OP. I also have work to do. So let's abandon our pleasant diversion for now, okay?
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Old 8th November 2017, 03:44 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Thanks for supplying my answer for me- I was totally puzzled as to the correct one- yes, no- so complicated...

You are now stating that Trump (and all the power of the US government he controls) is essentially the same as a private client and that it is legitimate for us all to be careful not to offend him least we perceive that he might punish us, whether he has explicitly said he would or not? Trump's power to punish extends to us all, not just to government contractors: taxes, government investigations, etc. Sure it is illegal for Trump to employ these for political purposes- but so would be his use of the awarding of government contracts. And again I remind you that it was you who perceived a connection between the company firing Briskman and the threat of them losing government contracts (which would be illegal, unlike the situation with a private client).
So many strawmen....
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Old 8th November 2017, 03:59 PM   #245
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Called it:
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If it's any consolation, I bet she'll end up with a better job than before.
Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
I'm sure at least one of those offers is both legit and better than what she had.

ETA: Oh, that's Fake News, isn't it. Should have been tipped off. Something like "thousands of job offers" might have been real but precisely 453,673? No way. Who's counting.
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Old 8th November 2017, 04:10 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
It is nice to know that if I speak out against Trump I will not be jailed, but would I really be free to express this reasonable opinion if, as a result, I will be fired from my job, kicked out of my apartment, have the local supermarket and shops refuse to deal with me, have my children made laughing stocks at school, and have people yell insults at me as I walk down the street?
It sounds like you're speaking about those brave souls who dare don a MAGA hat.
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Old 8th November 2017, 06:59 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Forgive me if I suggest that these answers require clarification, but this might not be the right thread.
I will say this: Your questions also require clarification.

"We must do something! This is something. We must do this!"
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Old 8th November 2017, 07:34 PM   #248
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LOVE IT!!!!!
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Old 8th November 2017, 07:41 PM   #249
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I just heard on the news that a journalist is facing imprisonment for criticizing Robert Mugabe. It's good to have a goal to shoot for.
With Trumpf Mugabe it becomes possibly a goal to get shot for...................
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Old 8th November 2017, 07:59 PM   #250
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
This offer cracked me up:
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“She can take over our spin classes and teach everyone that great presidential salute!”
Clip art is included: turning right, turning left, stopping, greeting the President.
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Old 8th November 2017, 09:15 PM   #251
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
This offer cracked me up:
Clip art is included: turning right, turning left, stopping, greeting the President.
It would amuse me greatly if she ended up teaching spin classes to embittered liberals who paid extra for a routine of cathartic release through visualizing the bird to the president
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Old 8th November 2017, 09:16 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Why ever not?


"Obscene"? - (of the portrayal or description of sexual matters) offensive or disgusting by accepted standards of morality and decency (Google Dictionary)

In 2017?
Really?
It's a standard description of the gesture. At least in America, if someone uses the phrase "obscene gesture", that gesture is almost certainly what they mean. Put the phrase into google image search. I'll bet that's what comes up. Lots of pictures of that very gesture. (I haven't tried it myself, and won't on this computer.)

And yet.....it doesn't fit any definition of the word "obscene". Language is weird that way. A phrase can mean something, even though it doesn't fit any of the words in the phrase.
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Old 8th November 2017, 09:19 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Wait.

Was she fired for giving Trump the finger?

Or was she fired for making the rude gesture part of her social media profile, contrary to her employer's public image policy?
When it comes to "why" questions, I find that the answers are rarely what the answers are claimed to be. Sometimes, even the person performing the action might not know the real reason he did it.
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Old 8th November 2017, 09:28 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
When it comes to "why" questions, I find that the answers are rarely what the answers are claimed to be. Sometimes, even the person performing the action might not know the real reason he did it.
Why do you find that to be so?
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Old 9th November 2017, 01:07 AM   #255
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Ugh those hypothetical are terrible.... on so many levels....

Try this one: employee posts negative thing on social media about client, company finds out about it, immediately launches her into the sun. Client does not threaten, does not in fact know about it.

You still think the client threatened the Company? Answer: No.
That's something very different from expressing a political opinion.
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Old 9th November 2017, 05:58 AM   #256
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
When it comes to "why" questions, I find that the answers are rarely what the answers are claimed to be. Sometimes, even the person performing the action might not know the real reason he did it.
With Trumpf, I am quite sure she saw it, realized what she saw and properly and with no thought necessary made the gesture. I certainly would have!!! It is the only salute that pos deserves.
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With Trumpf, I am quite sure she saw it, realized what she saw and properly and with no thought necessary made the gesture. I certainly would have!!! It is the only salute that pos deserves.
I'm sure she spoke clearly for my brother, who was written up for being late to work last year after being delayed by (then candidate) Trump's motorcade in Dallas.
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Old 9th November 2017, 03:26 PM   #258
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It's a standard description of the gesture. At least in America, if someone uses the phrase "obscene gesture", that gesture is almost certainly what they mean. Put the phrase into google image search. I'll bet that's what comes up. Lots of pictures of that very gesture. (I haven't tried it myself, and won't on this computer.)

And yet.....it doesn't fit any definition of the word "obscene". Language is weird that way. A phrase can mean something, even though it doesn't fit any of the words in the phrase.
I did this experiment and "the bird" was indeed the most common image that came up. There were a few others as well, but this one stood out:

WARNING!!! POSSIBLY NSFW IMAGE:
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Old 10th November 2017, 05:02 PM   #259
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I did this experiment and "the bird" was indeed the most common image that came up. There were a few others as well, but this one stood out:

WARNING!!! POSSIBLY NSFW IMAGE:
That is lovely indeed!!!!!
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That is lovely indeed!!!!!
I blame a bad neighbourhood...
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That is lovely indeed!!!!!
If it was good enough and important enough for Mr. Rogers, it is fine by me as a response!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
I love it. You The Hair is fuming over this. This is just the sort of thing it would notice.
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I love it. You The Hair is fuming over this. This is just the sort of thing it would notice.
Is there actually any evidence at all that "You The Hair" notices anything not carried by the major media outlets?
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Old 14th November 2017, 01:08 PM   #264
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Is there actually any evidence at all that "You The Hair" notices anything not carried by the major media outlets?
Yes.

https://news.vice.com/story/trump-fo...ws-white-house
Twice a day since the beginning of the Trump administration, a special folder is prepared for the president. The first document is prepared around 9:30 a.m. and the follow-up, around 4:30 p.m. Former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and former Press Secretary Sean Spicer both wanted the privilege of delivering the 20-to-25-page packet to President Trump personally, White House sources say.

These sensitive papers, described to VICE News by three current and former White House officials, don’t contain top-secret intelligence or updates on legislative initiatives. Instead, the folders are filled with screenshots of positive cable news chyrons (those lower-third headlines and crawls), admiring tweets, transcripts of fawning TV interviews, praise-filled news stories, and sometimes just pictures of Trump on TV looking powerful.


Clearly those stories are cannot all be coming from major media outlets.
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Yes.

https://news.vice.com/story/trump-fo...ws-white-house
Twice a day since the beginning of the Trump administration, a special folder is prepared for the president. The first document is prepared around 9:30 a.m. and the follow-up, around 4:30 p.m. Former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and former Press Secretary Sean Spicer both wanted the privilege of delivering the 20-to-25-page packet to President Trump personally, White House sources say.

These sensitive papers, described to VICE News by three current and former White House officials, don’t contain top-secret intelligence or updates on legislative initiatives. Instead, the folders are filled with screenshots of positive cable news chyrons (those lower-third headlines and crawls), admiring tweets, transcripts of fawning TV interviews, praise-filled news stories, and sometimes just pictures of Trump on TV looking powerful.


Clearly those stories are cannot all be coming from major media outlets.
They're also hand-picked by his staff. And pro-Trump. So, clearly not the kind of thing he would notice on his own. Still no evidence that Craig4's dream of a seething "You the Hair" is actually a likelihood.
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Is there actually any evidence at all that "You The Hair" notices anything not carried by the major media outlets?
We know he pays attention to what goes on in his Twitter feed because he regularly blocks users. So yes, we know he does notice things not from major media outlets.
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Both left and right use the non-applicability of the 1A to workplaces to stifle people they don't like.
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We know he pays attention to what goes on in his Twitter feed because he regularly blocks users. So yes, we know he does notice things not from major media outlets.
You think her (fake) job prospects are coming up in his Twitter feed?
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We know he pays attention to what goes on in his Twitter feed because he regularly blocks users. So yes, we know he does notice things not from major media outlets.
He has assistants enablers for that, to prevent him from seeing it.
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