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Old 23rd October 2017, 10:10 AM   #81
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Thanks. I shall study it. However what these link in brief suggest about immunesystem link with physiological regulation--either directly with different systems of body or vai endocrine and neurological systems?
Now Kumar, I quoted you!

You are the one who referenced those footnotes in in your post!

I asked you to give which ones are actually meaningful to your post!
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Old 23rd October 2017, 10:12 AM   #82
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That I shall do. But when those are quoted, I felt casually, probably that poster may be understanding these and so can help. Just casual.
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This is your post is it not?

You should be the one reading them before asking

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Physiological regulation[edit]
The immune system is involved in many aspects of physiological regulation in the body. The immune system interacts intimately with other systems, such as the endocrine [101][102] and the nervous [103][104][105] systems. The immune system also plays a crucial role in embryogenesis (development of the embryo), as well as in tissue repair and regeneration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system
I feel, members here are not able to discuss scope of above. Can anyone better explain it?
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Old 23rd October 2017, 10:13 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Now the other thought:

"The immune system also plays a crucial role in embryogenesis (development of the embryo), as well as in tissue repair and regeneration."

Can above in bold letters suggest that probably, Immune system can also revert cancer cells to normal cells by such tissue repair and regeneration property?
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Old 23rd October 2017, 10:16 AM   #84
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I doubt, it was recoverable by routine treatments.
This is not evidence!
Your opinion is not evidence
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Old 23rd October 2017, 07:47 PM   #85
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This is not evidence!
Your opinion is not evidence
We are not proving or treating or giving proven advice of treatment. We are just discussing dynamically to get some clues by logical & partly available but not yet well coordinated understandings. So proven scientific evidences for is not be a need for it. Simply try to coordinate scattered understandings to get clues.
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Old 23rd October 2017, 08:04 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
We....
No "we" in that post..
You are not writing about the topic of this thread at all. You are writing posts with ignorance of what you cite, biology, homeopathy, and the thread topic (Possible Scientific Foundations of Homeopathy, Part 2)

A remarkable recovery, but was it mind over matter or modern science? published in 2007 by the South China Morning Post has the answer of modern science. A quack GP's opinion is not evidence. A rather imaginative speculation from an "oncologist" (elsewhere Peter Ko is a assistant clinical professor of surgery) is not evidence.

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Old 24th October 2017, 02:08 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Now Kumar, I quoted you!

You are the one who referenced those footnotes in in your post!

I asked you to give which ones are actually meaningful to your post!
I already replied:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3#post12043053
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Old 24th October 2017, 06:55 AM   #88
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We are not proving or treating or giving proven advice of treatment. We are just discussing dynamically to get some clues by logical & partly available but not yet well coordinated understandings. So proven scientific evidences for is not be a need for it. Simply try to coordinate scattered understandings to get clues.
You seem, after an indeterminate number of wild and fanciful postings on a number of different threads, totally incapable of seeing the emptiness of such comments which fly in the face of all known evidence. "Discussing dynamically" is totally null if the discussion goes nowhere. "Logical & partly available" is null on the face of it. "Well-coordinated understandings" seems a frame of mind you simply refuse to enter. "Coordinate scattered understandings" is the very first step in rational inquiry yet despite waving the flag for it, you obdurately refuse to do it. Hint: at the start of rational inquiry, "scattered understandings" don't "get clues," they ARE the clues. And rid yourself of the A&F fantasy.
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Old 24th October 2017, 08:43 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
We are not proving or treating or giving proven advice of treatment. We are just discussing dynamically to get some clues by logical & partly available but not yet well coordinated understandings. So proven scientific evidences for is not be a need for it. Simply try to coordinate scattered understandings to get clues.
What do you expect?

You refuse to engage in this discussion honestly. You waffle and meander, rejecting any evidence people offer largely because it doesn't agree with what you WANT to believe.

What are you REALLY trying to achieve here? From what I can see you just want attention.
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Old 24th October 2017, 09:34 AM   #90
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We are not proving or treating or giving proven advice of treatment. We are just discussing dynamically to get some clues by logical & partly available but not yet well coordinated understandings. So proven scientific evidences for is not be a need for it. Simply try to coordinate scattered understandings to get clues.
Sorry Kumar, your impression that something that occurred because of something or other is irrelevant. Your opinion and mine are just that, opinions.

So you statement that a spontaneous remission occurred that had nothing to do with medical treatment is just an opinion. It is a personal belief and irrelevant.
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Old 24th October 2017, 09:35 AM   #91
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And this Kumar is why perhaps people have suggested you do your own homework.
You should have already read those articles and then asked questions about the material in the articles.
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Old 24th October 2017, 02:54 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Now Kumar, I quoted you!

You are the one who referenced those footnotes in in your post!

I asked you to give which ones are actually meaningful to your post!
And then SHAZAM!!!!!- you realized you would never see any acknowledgement or "proofs" of any thing posted by the poster!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Kumar
This is your post is it not?

You should be the one reading them before asking
reading is not, clearly, an option since they are written in normal discernable English at a high school level and the evidence is clear that you cannot (or will not by your own choice) effectively communicate in or follow to a meaningful conclusion high school level English in these threads
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
We are not proving or treating or giving proven advice of treatment. We are just discussing dynamically to get some clues by logical & partly available but not yet well coordinated understandings. So proven scientific evidences for is not be a need for it. Simply try to coordinate scattered understandings to get clues.
That is one of the wrongest things (the paragraph above) you have ever posted here. Nothing you are doing or writing here is leading to any scientific knowledge in any way. Absent evidence that you have a doctorate in physiology or a strongly related field, you do not have anything remotely near the knowledge base to discuss it with a reasonably smart 4th grader.
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Bit opposite.
No - not remotely correct. All your claim are false and misleading!
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You seem, after an indeterminate number of wild and fanciful postings on a number of different threads, totally incapable of seeing the emptiness of such comments which fly in the face of all known evidence. "Discussing dynamically" is totally null if the discussion goes nowhere. "Logical & partly available" is null on the face of it. "Well-coordinated understandings" seems a frame of mind you simply refuse to enter. "Coordinate scattered understandings" is the very first step in rational inquiry yet despite waving the flag for it, you obdurately refuse to do it. Hint: at the start of rational inquiry, "scattered understandings" don't "get clues," they ARE the clues. And rid yourself of the A&F fantasy.
Things can only happen in this manner for trying to understand, not yet understood understandings.
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Sorry Kumar, your impression that something that occurred because of something or other is irrelevant. Your opinion and mine are just that, opinions.

So you statement that a spontaneous remission occurred that had nothing to do with medical treatment is just an opinion. It is a personal belief and irrelevant.
SR in this case is anticipated on many sites. If it would had been in accordance to routine medical treatments, it should had matched with the pre-predictions and results. However that seems to not matching so SR. Even this case is not SR, still since SR happens, you can consider those. Just consider SR.
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And this Kumar is why perhaps people have suggested you do your own homework.
You should have already read those articles and then asked questions about the material in the articles.
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Yes now I read links given by you. Thanks. These suggest that there is a link between Immune system and nNeuro-endocrine systems as mentioned in main article. I think it is both side regulation i.e Immune system can modulate these systems and also these systems can modulate Immune system. Since these are very important and basic systems, so may also modulate other body systems via these systems. Am I ok?
Where I am asking questions in my above that reply?
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Things can only happen in this manner for trying to understand, not yet understood understandings.
Yes, people generally try to understand things. You apparently do not.
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SR in this case is anticipated on many sites. If it would had been in accordance to routine medical treatments, it should had matched with the pre-predictions and results. However that seems to not matching so SR. Even this case is not SR, still since SR happens, you can consider those. Just consider SR.
Again you have the cart before the horse. SR cannot by definition be "in accordance to routine medical treatments." Nor are there reliable predictions of it. Being random and unpredictable, SR can only match "the results" one-on-one in each individual case; generalities and predictions would be fatally flawed.
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Again you have the cart before the horse. SR cannot by definition be "in accordance to routine medical treatments." Nor are there reliable predictions of it. Being random and unpredictable, SR can only match "the results" one-on-one in each individual case; generalities and predictions would be fatally flawed.
Time has changed. Now Wockswagon.
Yes but there can be some common observations to stamp these cases as SR. Say Spontaneous or quick and complete remission. Probably also, with lesser residue serious side effects. Do all these three outcome match commonly with all SR cases?
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WTF is a Wockswagon and a smiley face?
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WTF is a Wockswagon and a smiley face?
Textual analysis of thousands of posts suggests to me that Kumar adds the blue smiley face when he believes heís said something clever and witty.

Sadly I donít know enough Kumarese to be able to hazard any guess as to what he actually means.
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WTF is a Wockswagon and a smiley face?
I'm guessing "Volkswagen". But that's the thing about Kumar's posts. Each one contains many "WTFs". Along with a liberal peppering of bizarre acronyms.
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I though VW as well, but couldn't for the life of me tie it in to spontaneous remission.

Now I see the cart before horse bit. So I suppose that's it.

I guess it's how you tell 'em. And Kumar is an expert at telling it like it isn't.
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I am reminded of a happy summer I spent years ago helping to catalogue and index loads of old documents in the regional archives. As time passed I got quite adept at recognising types of documents and even the work of individual clerks, but I didn’t have the level of understanding of the Medieval Latin they were writing in that part of what is now France to be absolutely sure what each document was saying.
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SR in this case is anticipated on many sites. If it would had been in accordance to routine medical treatments, it should had matched with the pre-predictions and results. However that seems to not matching so SR. Even this case is not SR, still since SR happens, you can consider those. Just consider SR.
Sigh, ...
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My rough guess, and it's rough indeed, suggests that the evolution, so to speak, of the VW brand from what it once was to what it now is, means something or other with regard to something or other else, and the confused utterer, ignorant of history and economics as of so much else, believes he has said something about something else, having so cleverly wingodded the thread.
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Where I am asking questions in my above that reply?
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Physiological regulation[edit]
The immune system is involved in many aspects of physiological regulation in the body. The immune system interacts intimately with other systems, such as the endocrine [101][102] and the nervous [103][104][105] systems. The immune system also plays a crucial role in embryogenesis (development of the embryo), as well as in tissue repair and regeneration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system
I feel, members here are not able to discuss scope of above. Can anyone better explain it?
Did you read any of the research before you posted this? This is the root of my replies to you
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My rough guess, and it's rough indeed, suggests that the evolution, so to speak, of the VW brand from what it once was to what it now is, means something or other with regard to something or other else, and the confused utterer, ignorant of history and economics as of so much else, believes he has said something about something else, having so cleverly wingodded the thread.
I think he's trying to make a reference to how the VW bug was a NAZI invention. It's a coded reference to this video:

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Wolks wagon car having engine/motor in back is cleaver way of showing cart before horses, putting skeptick in foolish. Kumarfolk knowing this bit long eternal time lasting until now. Although.

Words not effect a and f meaning one damn bit.

And homopathy still true.
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May have been posted before, but Mitchell & Webbs Homeopathic A&E - 2:34

Maybe Kumar should watch this, because that is how mad homeopathy actually is.
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Kumar is committing a lot of Word Crimes.

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Yes but there can be some common observations to stamp these cases as SR. Say Spontaneous or quick and complete remission.
No. The S in SR is Spontaneous !
It is not Q for quick or F for fast. The English meaning of spontaneous in SR does not include quick or fast or even slow.
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3. (of natural phenomena) arising from internal forces or causes; independent of external agencies; self-acting.
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Old 25th October 2017, 02:23 PM   #115
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Originally Posted by sackett View Post
Wolks wagon car having engine/motor in back is cleaver way of showing cart before horses, putting skeptick in foolish. Kumarfolk knowing this bit long eternal time lasting until now. Although.

Words not effect a and f meaning one damn bit.

And homopathy still true.
Very clover in deed, as wherefore a front engine rear drive automobile is homeopathically front driven since the elimination of connectivity is so complete. Foolish indeed that since vehicles are made with frames of spaghetti a pusher cannot thrive which is why school buses fly backwards and Greyhound buses are propelled by the spirit of the painting on their sides.
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Old 25th October 2017, 06:36 PM   #116
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Originally Posted by sackett View Post
Wolks wagon car having engine/motor in back is cleaver way of showing cart before horses.
But! Has no one actually realized the more tenuous and inconsequential the resemblance or relationship between two things the more surely Kumar and Kumar alone among us has found they are eternally integral to one another. Surely in this he clearly and forcefully demonstrates the great power and potential of . . . . . . .


As Rosanadana would say, "Never mind!"

Where can I get a cross-town bus?
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Old 25th October 2017, 08:11 PM   #117
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Discussions on topic are getting lost. Pls limit.
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Old 25th October 2017, 08:22 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by Peregrinus View Post

Where can I get a cross-town bus?
Don't go across town. It's full of bees and spiders. Believe me, you don't want to go across town. The buses are stalled in a paroxysm of existential angst. Quietly go to the corner, take the blue pill, read the latest issue of Guideposts, and await the great refueling. The topic will return, wagging its tail behind it.
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Sigh, ...
Cart before horse or WV will be then, when concluding commenting by some is there before listening/knowing other, who is trying to indicate. Bit Idiocy.
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Cart before horse or WV will be then, when concluding commenting by some is there before listening/knowing other, who is trying to indicate. Bit Idiocy.
This is less understandable than the people parodying you above.
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