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Old 4th November 2017, 01:23 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Fair enough.

Do you regard Trump as a decent, principled conservative?

Note that I'm not asking of he was better than Hillary, but rather whether he is the sort of man exemplifying your principles.

Thanks for your response.
I do not.

You're welcome.

What now?
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Old 4th November 2017, 01:23 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Here's her latest stinker. DNC rules do not give the chair the authority to unilaterally replace a nominee. Delegates would reconvene if there was a vacancy. On the other hand, this is a nice hook for the people that wish Biden would have run.
Goodness! Was there criticism of Brazile in Clinton's book that might have motived this attack on Clinton?
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Old 4th November 2017, 01:34 PM   #243
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Yes, I fully expected that you, like all the other Clinton apologists have done in this thread, would ignore Clinton's siphoning off cash from down the ballot. Did it cost them any chance of winning the House or Senate thereby mitigating the election of Trump?

It's cool, we totally get it. Facts are hard sometimes.
"We." "Facts." You almost have what it takes to be intentionally funny. What close Senate races did you have in mind? (Feel free to run to Google now.) What's interesting regarding your speculation is that another possibility is never considered: What if she had taken more money? In terms of maximizing utility, Democrats could have won the White House. Except they couldn't because neither money, nor Russian hacking, nor Comey's announcement could alter the inevitable.

Five years going after Hillary hard and what do you have to show for it? Zero indictments, zero convictions, zero plea deals. Go ahead and blame the deep state, but Mueller's brought more to bear against Trump in five months.
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Old 4th November 2017, 02:25 PM   #244
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No, you're ignoring the money the DNC got, and the fact that it was because of their debts that the state parties got screwed, and that that debt payoff effectively meant that the DNC got more benefit from the fund than individual contributions would have allowed, whereas Clinton didn't get anything out of the fund that she wouldn't have gotten if the Victory Fund was just for her campaign. The complaint of the state parties is that they feel used to raise contributions that didn't benefit state races as much as implied by the promotions -- a valid complaint, but I don't think Democrats need any help from Republicans in dealing with it, thank you.
wrong the individual limits were raised because of the participation by the State funds and Hillary kept all of it
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Old 4th November 2017, 02:32 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
"We." "Facts." You almost have what it takes to be intentionally funny. What close Senate races did you have in mind? (Feel free to run to Google now.) What's interesting regarding your speculation is that another possibility is never considered: What if she had taken more money? In terms of maximizing utility, Democrats could have won the White House. Except they couldn't because neither money, nor Russian hacking, nor Comey's announcement could alter the inevitable.

Five years going after Hillary hard and what do you have to show for it? Zero indictments, zero convictions, zero plea deals. Go ahead and blame the deep state, but Mueller's brought more to bear against Trump in five months.
zero presidency, thank Christ
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Old 4th November 2017, 04:11 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
wrong the individual limits were raised because of the participation by the State funds and Hillary kept all of it
No, the individual limits were raised for the total contribution, but only because:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
In 2016, donors to the Hillary Victory Fund could contribute $5,400 to the Clinton campaign, $33,400 to the Democratic National Committee, and $10,000 to each of the 33 state Democratic Party committees, for a total of nearly $360,000 in a calendar year.[11] Joint finance committees like Hillary Victory Fund could receive that amount in a single check and proportion the funds accordingly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Victory_Fund

By law, only $5,400 from a couple could go to Hillary whether it was given directly or through the Victory Fund.
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Old 4th November 2017, 04:32 PM   #247
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Bernie Sanders was not the one who got robbed in all this. In fact, Bernie was the big winner, in my opinion.

I like listening to Bernie. He's well spoken. However, he's an avowed socialist, and he practices what he preaches. I wouldn't vote for him unless he was up against a truly horrific candidate, like Donald Trump.

The Clinton influence on the Democratic Party was so powerful that serious alternatives to Hillary stayed away. That left Sanders and a few non-entities. Had there been a serious alternative to Clinton, Bernie would not have been in the spotlight. He was this year's Howard Dean, great for the youthful idealists, but not a serious chance at winning the White House or even the nomination.

Serious candidates knew that the party had the power to steer the nominating process toward Clinton. It was "her turn". She joins Bob Dole and Walter Mondale in that club of candidates chosen by party insiders. As a consequence, we have President Trump. Congratulations, party insiders.
Yes to all, with one qualification: Mondale and Dole were sent up against popular incumbents. It was their turn - to lose.
In 2016, it was the Democrat's chance to win. And that is what makes narrowing the field down to Hillary so frustrating.
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Old 4th November 2017, 04:34 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
The smoke filled room gave us Hillary. The lack of one gave us Trump.
Catch-22!
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Old 4th November 2017, 04:35 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
The public has a legit interest in Exxon Oil's contribution to global warming, it still requires a specific law if I want to address that.

What specific law do you believe the DNC violated?
None - why do you ask?
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Old 4th November 2017, 04:44 PM   #250
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
No, the individual limits were raised for the total contribution, but only because:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Victory_Fund

By law, only $5,400 from a couple could go to Hillary whether it was given directly or through the Victory Fund.
I'm not sure why you are helping TBD to derail the thread. He knows he got a hiding on the original topic, so much that he finally resorted to using an Appeal to Authority and then dropped it altogether to focus on the new line of attack and derail of the topic.
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Old 4th November 2017, 04:52 PM   #251
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Interesting to see when the "Sanders was not a real democrat" nonsense will dry up given the fact that the Clinton campaign ********** the State Parties too.
For some people, that koolaide is just too tasty to give up.
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Old 4th November 2017, 05:37 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
I'm not sure why you are helping TBD to derail the thread. He knows he got a hiding on the original topic, so much that he finally resorted to using an Appeal to Authority and then dropped it altogether to focus on the new line of attack and derail of the topic.
The original topic? Really? Say maybe it is money laundering that I mentioned on the first page of this thread I stated?

Forget that soon:

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Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign
The topic is Clinton money laundering cash through the states and leaving them destitute.
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Old 4th November 2017, 05:45 PM   #253
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I was one of Clinton's fiercest critics. None of this outrages me. Yes, "the fix was in". We all knew it. In hindsight, it would have been better had Bernie not even ran. He was instrumental in Trump's victory, although none of us knew it at the time.
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I was one of Clinton's fiercest critics. None of this outrages me. Yes, "the fix was in". We all knew it. It would have been better had Hillary not even ran. She was instrumental in Trump's victory, and most of us knew it at the time.
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"Had not even run", not "had not even ran". Let's make a bipartisan effort for decent grammar!
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Old 4th November 2017, 06:23 PM   #256
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I was one of Clinton's fiercest critics. None of this outrages me. Yes, "the fix was in". We all knew it. It would have been better had Hillary not even ran. She was instrumental in Trump's victory, and most of us knew it at the time.
there's a difference between losing by a hotly contested primary process depressing turnout and losing due to rampant misogyny. I don't blame Clinton for running at all. She lost because she tried to be a powerful woman. Can't have that, can we?
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Interesting insight. How was Bernie instrumental in Trump's win?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
The public has a legit interest in Exxon Oil's contribution to global warming, it still requires a specific law if I want to address that.

What specific law do you believe the DNC violated?
The DNC and RNC select the most important candidates for President of the USA. They serve a monumental public service and if they can't be transparent about their doings perhaps they should lose their priviliges and primaries should be totally govt. run.
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Old 4th November 2017, 06:34 PM   #259
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I repeat the question for you, do tell us, other than the fact a lot of Democrats actually preferred Clinton, how exactly did this "steering" work?
We've been searching far and wide to see if there was any collussion between the Trump campaign and the Russian govt. or Russian hackers.

Mueller's first indictments were for crimes committed years before the Trump 2016 campaign was but a dream.

I think with that in mind we can do a little searching into the DNC to make sure everything was fair. I'm 75% sure not much will come out of it, but nothing wrong with having a look see.
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Nice of posters to break it up.

Hillary gets joint control over staffing etc... signed in 2015.

And the Clinton fanatics want to pretend it was General only. Well in that case CERTAINLY, they signed similar agreements with the other candidates, right?

Rigged, but kudos for the dead end kid's apologists rushing to the corrupt **** bags defense.
Um, yeeeeeah.
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Are you really trying to minimize the fact that these "powerful and influential politicians" rigged the primary election?

That is truly remarkable....
Aren't you a conservative?

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Who is "they?" The point is that the "party" -- however you define it -- shouldn't be run by and for the benefit of one candidate. The party and Clinton are not one and the same -- or shouldn't have been.
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there's a difference between losing by a hotly contested primary process depressing turnout and losing due to rampant misogyny. I don't blame Clinton for running at all. She lost because she tried to be a powerful woman. Can't have that, can we?
Um, one is starting to get the impression that perhaps someone is having a wee bit of fun....
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Aren't you a conservative?

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Aren't you a conservative?

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Interesting insight. How was Bernie instrumental in Trump's win?
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sande...lection-654320

Clinton faced a lot of headwinds, misogyny being the biggest factor, and she might still have lost, even without Bernie challenging her. But the long drawn-out primary certain;y didn't help her, and the razor-thin margins of her defeat suggest she probably would have won had she sewn up the primary earlier.
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sande...lection-654320

Clinton faced a lot of headwinds, misogyny being the biggest factor, and she might still have lost, even without Bernie challenging her. But the long drawn-out primary certain;y didn't help her, and the razor-thin margins of her defeat suggest she probably would have won had she sewn up the primary earlier.
So you believe Bernie should not have even ran, for the good of the country?

You're disregarding the very real differences between Bernie's and Hillary's vision for America. And they are very different.

I don't think its fair to ask Bernie and any other Social Democrat to stand down.
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Um, one is starting to get the impression that perhaps someone is having a wee bit of fun....
Yes, listening to stories of men behaving absolutely appallingly towards women, and the pussygrabber remaining in power, is real fun. All the women who have accused Trump are all liars, am I right?

The difference between the Right and Left is Kevin Spacey is now dogmeat and Trump is president.
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So you believe Bernie should not have even ran, for the good of the country?
No, I supported him. If I could go back in time, I would beg him not to run.

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You're disregarding the very real differences between Bernie's and Hillary's vision for America. And they are very different.
Of course they were. I preferred Bernie's. Trump was a joke. I didn't think there was a chance in hell he could win. I wanted Bernie to force the Democrats leftward.

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I don't think its fair to ask Bernie and any other Social Democrat to stand down.
Again, this is all with the benefit of hindsight.
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And I would blame the RNC for not rigging their system like Clinton did so Trump would fail to get the nom - but then nobody else on their team was any good either.
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None - why do you ask?
So what do you mean then by asserting the premise the public has an interest in what the private Democratic Party does in their primary process?
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I'm a Clinton 'folk' and this is bull. Clinton worked for the DNC fundraising, Sanders didn't. Long term Democrats supported Clinton, a long term Democrat over sometimes Democrat Sanders. The superdelegates did not affect the outcome. The debate schedule did not affect the outcome.

This is nothing but another attack-on-Clinton-distraction and unfortunately the Democratic Party is likely to handle it poorly.
This.^^^

Hey, remember the days when we disagreed on almost everything?

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No, I supported him. If I could go back in time, I would beg him not to run.

Of course they were. I preferred Bernie's. Trump was a joke. I didn't think there was a chance in hell he could win. I wanted Bernie to force the Democrats leftward.

Again, this is all with the benefit of hindsight.
I really hoped Bernie's massive support would have humbled Hillary and make her really understand and embrace some of his policies and especially his people.

Instead, she simply expected his folks to just give up and support her, as she felt she simply deserved their support as she was the winner and Bernie was the looser.

She also failed to truly grasp how popular economic Populism is in this country.

All this plus her private server issues, her "deplorables" outlook on the opposition, her general lack of grace, is why she failed.

If she has won it would have literally been Obama Administration, Part 2. Manufacturing jobs would be left to die off, free trade would be pushed for, and Hillary's concessions to the Bernie Campaign would be half-heartedly fought for.
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The DNC and RNC select the most important candidates for President of the USA. They serve a monumental public service and if they can't be transparent about their doings perhaps they should lose their priviliges and primaries should be totally govt. run.
You got a law for that?

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We've been searching far and wide to see if there was any collussion between the Trump campaign and the Russian govt. or Russian hackers.

Mueller's first indictments were for crimes committed years before the Trump 2016 campaign was but a dream.

I think with that in mind we can do a little searching into the DNC to make sure everything was fair. I'm 75% sure not much will come out of it, but nothing wrong with having a look see.
I see, false equivalence and false analogy then, a twofur.
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You got a law for that? I should win the lottery. I deserve it.
I have to say its very *********** sad how strongly you disregard the concept of holding the DNC to a high standard of transparency and demanding they treat themselves like an open government institution.

Reminds me of Trump, and his angry rejection of all things Russian Collussion related.
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I was one of Clinton's fiercest critics. None of this outrages me. Yes, "the fix was in". We all knew it. It would have been better had Hillary not even ran. She was instrumental in Trump's victory, and most of us knew it at the time.
You're a cruel man, but fair.
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I see, false equivalence and false analogy then, a twofur.
As I have said to Republicans 8 million times, if nothing was done wrong, if there's nothing to hide, why oppose an investigation?

I think, like I suspect with many Trump-lovers, you are deeply afraid of what might be dug up.
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This.^^^

Hey, remember the days when we disagreed on almost everything?
No, I thought we agreed on a lot of stuff. I could be wrong, my memory isn't aging well.
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Old 4th November 2017, 07:15 PM   #279
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
I have to say its very *********** sad how strongly you disregard the concept of holding the DNC to a high standard of transparency and demanding they treat themselves like an open government institution.

Reminds me of Trump, and his angry rejection of all things Russian Collussion related.
Your conclusion is a non sequitur.

I'll ask you again, what specifically happened that rigged the Primary? It appears you'd rather just believe Bernie was robbed and you don't want to honestly evaluate if that was actually true.

There is no evidence Sanders was robbed. In addition, just because you believe the Democratic Party should drop everything and adopt Sanders' platform does not mean the majority of Democrats agree. In fact, the outcome of the Primary suggests a lot of Democrats were not so narrowly focused and thought Clinton was the better qualified candidate.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
No, I thought we agreed on a lot of stuff. I could be wrong, my memory isn't aging well.
I remember trying to convince you that Democracy Now wasn't the best source of information, but I don't remember what specifically we were disagreeing over. It was a long time ago.

I actually listen to Democracy Now often on my way to work, despite thinking it's biased.
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