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Old 6th November 2017, 05:29 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Reheat View Post
No, that is not true. The vast majority of American contrary to implication on this site are not homicidal. However, the number is increasing and it is a problem. I am not young and I've never encountered another person that was even close to being homicidal. Contrary to popular believe on this site it is rare. The US is a large and diversified County with a diverse population. Stop spreading this myth because or recent events. There are elements within our society that should disappear or be rehabilitated. MAny of these are copy cat type crimes from disgruntled and evil people. It does not extend to the entire population....
The post you were replying to certainly was not saying that the US had a lot of homicidal people. He was saying that every nation has a small number of homicidal people. The difference between our nation and all those other nations is that the small number of homicidal people in America have easy access to guns. A homicidal Brit does not have easy access to guns. As a result, there are fewer homicides in Britain.
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Old 6th November 2017, 05:40 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by Reheat View Post
Do you understand what a varmint is? Based on your response, apparently not.
Indeed, I don't
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Old 6th November 2017, 05:40 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
I disagree. Criminals will want to have guns. It might be hard for them to get them. It might make them suspicious while trying to get them. They might get caught getting them or having them illegally.
Some of the criminals will in the end get guns. More of them will find another way. But still it would have some effect.
It depends on your definition of 'want', in the UK the advantages of carrying a gun are so outweighed by the disadvantages that the majority of criminals don't carry. Obviously the deterrent side of the equation, any hint of a gun runs you straight to the top of police priorities and consequences ranging from five years inside to being shot dead by highly trained firearms officers, is well discussed, but the other side of the equation is also valid, in a country where you're not going to find yourself cornered by a good guy with a gun willing to shoot you dead for stealing your telly there is considerably less reason to risk any of the negative consequences of carrying.

Obviously there is no magic wand, or even easy route from the current situation. But it's worth acknowledging.
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Old 6th November 2017, 05:42 AM   #244
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We should skip this silly investigation of what happened.
RT and Alt-right bloggers knew within minutes that the shooter was an Antifa liberal Atheist.
It's almost suspicious how well informed they are.
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Old 6th November 2017, 05:43 AM   #245
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Old 6th November 2017, 05:43 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
The post you were replying to certainly was not saying that the US had a lot of homicidal people. He was saying that every nation has a small number of homicidal people. The difference between our nation and all those other nations is that the small number of homicidal people in America have easy access to guns. A homicidal Brit does not have easy access to guns. As a result, there are fewer homicides in Britain.
I can not totally disagree, but I would rather be shot than spend the rest of my life with a disfiguring facial chemical dis-figuration.

Good freaking luck on getting rid of guns in the US. I realize you know this, but it needs to be said anyway. I would prefer to live like we are than experience another Civil War.
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Old 6th November 2017, 05:55 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
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I apologize for being curt with you and not providing a link to a definition, but I felt that your reply was discourteous too. I am not an idgit and don't intend to be treated as one.

Coyotes are a huge problem all over the US. They prey on young calves and young wildlife. Wild hogs are also a tremendous problem in recent years. They cause millions of $$ in damage to property.

Both species are not game animals and are shot on sight. I wasn't implying the other definition of varmint of the people variety. That is a more recent prevalent problem.

There has been a dramatic increase in the people problem and that is what we're discussing now. There were a few scoundrels in years past, but not to the extend we're seeing in recent years.
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Old 6th November 2017, 05:59 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
Is that like all Japanese are responsible for atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese army in China?
Trump signed a law allowing mental nutjobs to have access to guns. This was done (by trump's admission) by a mental nutjob.

Sometimes 1+1 = 2. Deal with it.
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Old 6th November 2017, 06:03 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Trump signed a law allowing mental nutjobs to have access to guns. This was done (by trump's admission) by a mental nutjob.

Sometimes 1+1 = 2. Deal with it.
Who are those mental nutjobs to which you're referring?
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Originally Posted by Reheat View Post
Good freaking luck on getting rid of guns in the US. I realize you know this, but it needs to be said anyway. I would prefer to live like we are than experience another Civil War.
Are your country that unstable that introducing stricter gun laws would result in civil war?

Are you all that insanely crazy?

"Trump". Oh, nevermind.
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Old 6th November 2017, 06:25 AM   #251
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I would prefer to live like we are than experience another Civil War.
I think what worries some of us is that you may end up doing both.

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Old 6th November 2017, 06:26 AM   #252
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Originally Posted by Reheat View Post
I can not totally disagree, but I would rather be shot than spend the rest of my life with a disfiguring facial chemical dis-figuration.
I guess it depends on how bad it turns out to be.

It also assumes that one (having a gun) would necessarily prevent the other (having someone throw acid in your face) or that the incidence of one (gun attacks in the US) is similar to the other (acid attacks in the UK).

An acid attack in the UK is national headline news, sometimes for days. OTOH in the US gun deaths (much less just gun attacks) barely make the local news unless it's a multiple homicide or someone notable is attacked.

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Good freaking luck on getting rid of guns in the US. I realize you know this, but it needs to be said anyway. I would prefer to live like we are than experience another Civil War.
Is anyone suggesting getting rid of guns entirely. There are an enormous number of alternatives between the current situation and getting rid of guns altogether and, as opinion polls seem to show, some of the more moderate ones may command considerable public support.
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Old 6th November 2017, 06:28 AM   #253
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
Are your country that unstable that introducing stricter gun laws would result in civil war?

Are you all that insanely crazy?

"Trump". Oh, nevermind.
According to some, as soon as the number of privately held guns drops below a certain threshold, the Government (notice the capital G) will declare Material Law and become a dictatorship.
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Old 6th November 2017, 06:31 AM   #254
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
Are your country that unstable that introducing stricter gun laws would result in civil war?

Are you all that insanely crazy?

"Trump". Oh, nevermind.
The problem with users like the one you quoted is their laughable assertion that there are a host of people that want to get rid of all guns. It's just not a realistic thing to worry about.

We want to have reasonable restrictions based on the type of person who commits these crimes and we want them to accept that there is a need to compromise.

But apparently if we don't have the perfect solution we're not supposed to even talk about it. Nope. Nothing to see here. Mentally defective scumbags need access to their guns because they're white 'Murican
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Old 6th November 2017, 06:33 AM   #255
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We should skip this silly investigation of what happened.
RT and Alt-right bloggers knew within minutes that the shooter was an Antifa liberal Atheist.
It's almost suspicious how well informed they are.
According to this article, he was an atheist.

I would hazard a guess from what his FB pals are saying about him and his Bad Conduct discharge from the airforce, he has some kind of Anti-Social Behaviour personality disorder. Add to this, his assaulting his wife and kid, and uploading a pic of his AK-assault rifle onto FB.

https://scallywagandvagabond.com/201...rings-shooter/

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Devin Kelley: He was popular among the outcasts at school.

Told Nava via the dailymail: ‘I went to school with him. We had a few conversations here and there. It’s not something I expected from him.

‘He was an outcast but not a loner. He was popular among other outcast. I haven’t spoke to him since high school.’

Another former classmate, who asked to remain anonymous: ‘I grew up going to school with him… Always creeped me out and was different.’

She said she moved away from the area while she was in junior high and lost touch with a lot of people.

However, Kelley recently commented on one of her Facebook posts.

‘I said I just want to move back to Texas,’ she said. ‘And he said something along the lines of “Texas isn’t any better”. Pretty much said he didn’t like Texas.
There seems to be a competition amongst the alienated types to see who can take out the most people for fifteen minutes of notoriety.
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Old 6th November 2017, 06:40 AM   #256
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No, that is not true. The vast majority of American contrary to implication on this site are not homicidal. However, the number is increasing and it is a problem. I am not young and I've never encountered another person that was even close to being homicidal. Contrary to popular believe on this site it is rare. The US is a large and diversified County with a diverse population. Stop spreading this myth because or recent events. There are elements within our society that should disappear or be rehabilitated. MAny of these are copy cat type crimes from disgruntled and evil people. It does not extend to the entire population....

The murder rate in the US is up to six times higher than that of comparable countries, it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that either the population as a whole is more inclined toward homicidal behaviour (which I actually indicted against BTW) or the easy access to lethal weaponry leads to what would otherwise be non lethal confrontations escalating. If you have a third option I'd be interested to hear it, really.

I am obviously not suggesting that every American is a homicidal maniac, that is a strawman, and the fact that you've not knowingly met anyone homicidal doesn't discount the difference in murder rates between the US and it's peers. This isn't something that can be handwaved away.
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Old 6th November 2017, 06:42 AM   #257
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But apparently if we don't have the perfect solution we're not supposed to even talk about it. Nope. Nothing to see here. Mentally defective scumbags need access to their guns because they're white 'Murican
Actually it indeed seems that race of mass shooters more or less copies typical racial distribution in US. You can feel united in this aspect ..
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Domestic Abuse and gun violence are significantly correlated. Atheism and gun violence aren't.
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I'm of the view in the USA it is not the number of guns that are the issue but the culture in regards to guns. We have a similar problem in the UK at the moment with knives and certain parts of our society.
And you have some of the strictest knife laws in the first world.

What does that say?
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If the murderer had bought the gun at a gun show will that now mean the gun seller will be prosecuted?
That would depend upon the state in which it was bought.
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That would depend upon the state in which it was bought.
Seems odd. Typically one absolutely sure way to lose your right to own a gun in the US is to have a domestic violence problem.
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That would depend upon the state in which it was bought.
It is legal in Texas, though I have not seen it established that he was not allowed to own firearms legally.
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Seems odd. Typically one absolutely sure way to lose your right to own a gun in the US is to have a domestic violence problem.
But it is texas and how was anyone in the secondary market supposed to know if he was even barred from owning firearms?
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This tirade is total and utterly BS. This kind of rhetoric is part of the problem. Please stop, but I fully realize that is a futile request.
It is not BS, it is a statement based on facts and evidence. Adding guns to heated arguments can easily lead to homicide, evidence shows that it often does.
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So law abiding gun owner before yesterday.
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I can not totally disagree, but I would rather be shot than spend the rest of my life with a disfiguring facial chemical dis-figuration.

Good freaking luck on getting rid of guns in the US. I realize you know this, but it needs to be said anyway. I would prefer to live like we are than experience another Civil War.
Do you realise that getting shot in the head can lead to you living with a disfiguring facial chemical-kinetic dis-figuration?
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And another atheist goes on a rampage.
And?
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I'm of the view in the USA it is not the number of guns that are the issue but the culture in regards to guns. We have a similar problem in the UK at the moment with knives and certain parts of our society.
Certain parts of your society?
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Reports are saying that he was court-martialed for assaulting his wife and child.
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There has been a dramatic increase in the people problem and that is what we're discussing now. There were a few scoundrels in years past, but not to the extend we're seeing in recent years.
Obvious answer: Russian divisive propaganda. The media, by spreading their Fake News, has helped us raise a subculture of people who hate our society, and attack groups of it. Churches, Las Vegas, gay night clubs. And it all started in the 50s, after McCarthy gave them the idea.
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And you have some of the strictest knife laws in the first world.

What does that say?
In the absence of any other information (such as comparative figures from around the world), not too much - especially when knives are very easy to obtain, have a host of other uses (I have dozen or more "weapons" in my kitchen and several more in the workshop) and where there aren't any particular rules about safe storage (at least as far as I am aware of).

At least order(s ?) of magnitude fewer people are deliberately killed with knives in the UK than are killed with guns in the United States, it's significantly more difficult to kill several (much less tens) of people with a knife and people standing several metres away from a knife-wielding assailant are less likely to be hit by ricochets or caught in any crossfire.

Indeed the UK knife homicide rate (around 0.3 per 100,000) is half the US knife homicide rate (around 0.7 per 100,000) so maybe those knife laws are working
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I apologize for being curt with you and not providing a link to a definition, but I felt that your reply was discourteous too. I am not an idgit and don't intend to be treated as one.

Coyotes are a huge problem all over the US. They prey on young calves and young wildlife. Wild hogs are also a tremendous problem in recent years. They cause millions of $$ in damage to property.

Both species are not game animals and are shot on sight. I wasn't implying the other definition of varmint of the people variety. That is a more recent prevalent problem.

There has been a dramatic increase in the people problem and that is what we're discussing now. There were a few scoundrels in years past, but not to the extend we're seeing in recent years.
I wasn't aware of all that and don't mind being taught.
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You asked for samples of mental nutjobs in a thread where one of them is the focus. I can't help it if you don't accept reality.
Yep any mass killing by white people in america is all mental health, unlike killings by brown people. So Vegas, Oklahoma city, Aurora, Charleston. The shootings at Richard Spencer's speeches and so on.
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Certain parts of your society?
Specifically London and a few other big cities.
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And you have some of the strictest knife laws in the first world.

What does that say?
Not following you? What does what say about what?
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I wasn't aware of all that and don't mind being taught.
Coyotes have even returned to suburbs and cities in the USA /DERAIL
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Old 6th November 2017, 07:33 AM   #278
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Certain parts of your society?
Mainly, yes.
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Old 6th November 2017, 07:45 AM   #279
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Mainly, yes.
I am consider visiting England again. I lived there for 3 years in the 80's. I was in East Anglia, but in London many times. Where or whom should I avoid.
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Old 6th November 2017, 07:46 AM   #280
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I am consider visiting England again. I lived there for 3 years in the 80's. I was in East Anglia, but in London many times. Where or whom should I avoid.
I'd say nowhere and no one.
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