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Old 26th March 2017, 02:50 PM   #161
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Thumbs down Bruce Voigt: An unsupported story about a 2001 ’ burn and cure’ demonstration

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There is just one fake name here...
27 March 2007 Bruce Voigt: An unsupported story about a 2001 ’'burn and cure' demonstration with the fantasy that donating a quack device means that it is used.

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Old 26th March 2017, 02:54 PM   #162
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Thumbs down Bruce Voigt: A lie about redistribution of beds being about the quack Magic Magee

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And from this came this - Burn unit changes raise plastic surgeons’ ire
http://www.vancouversun.com/health/b...113/story.html
And from his unsupported story comes a lie!
27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A lie about redistribution of beds being about the quack Magic Magee device.
Burn unit changes raise plastic surgeons’ ire
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storm is brewing over changes to Vancouver General Hospital’s 24-bed burn unit that plastic surgeons warn will compromise patient care, as beds get shuffled and redistributed to other wards.

Said Dr. Peter Lennox, head of VGH’s department of plastic surgery: “It’s the clear perception of plastic surgeons that the burn unit is going to be replaced by a newly named (and reorganized) high acuity unit and it will result in the loss of specialized care that burn and complex surgery patients need. The change is going to result in a compromised standard of care for burn and plastic surgery patients and we find that unacceptable.”

The burns, plastic and trauma unit (BPT) at VGH has existed in its current form for about 20 years. It is on the same floor (2nd) as all 20 operating rooms and the intensive care unit. Lennox said under the plan taking effect next month, burn patients will stay but plastic surgery patients will be sent to the urology and gynecology ward, where nurses are unfamiliar with the care of patients who’ve had serious skin grafts.

“Splitting up something that has worked exceptionally well does not make sense and plastic surgeons are worried that our patients may be more susceptible to complications like hospital-acquired infections,” he said.
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Old 26th March 2017, 02:58 PM   #163
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Thumbs down Bruce Voigt: An ignorant fantasy of bear grease and the quack Magic Magee device

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In the new BC Professional Fire Fighters' Burn and Wound Healing Research Laboratory at VGH,...
27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: An ignorant fantasy of bear grease and the quack Magic Magee device.

Vancouver General Hospital to Lead World for Research and Treatment to Heal Burns and Wounds
The Professional Fire Fighters' Burn and Wound Healing Research Laboratory is doing real science that should produce actual burn treatments. The proteins are certainly not "bear grease" !

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Questions:
  1. 21 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: List the Canadian health authorities who have accepted "Magic Magee Healing Tool" technology.
  2. 21 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A source for the Ladysmith Community Health Centre using the "Magic Magee Healing Tool" technology please.
  3. 21 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: Please list the clinical trials that have shown "Magic Magee Healing Tool" technology to cure cancer (over the last at least 16 years!)
  4. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: Cite the clinical trials where the Magic Magee stops the progress of Multiple Sclerosis
Ignorant and irrelevant posts:
  1. 23 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: The rather pathetic "Do you still beat your wife?" loaded question
  2. 23 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: Ignorant delusions of "Light is the collision of particles", etc.
  3. 23 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: An irrelevant story from 2009 of torturing a bird with gasoline with a fantasy that someone called Grumpy is posting here .
  4. 23 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: An inane ("magic number being 8") and irrelevant story about a radio interview
  5. 24 March 2107 Bruce Voigt: An irrelevant quote with some gibberish from a 2008 post from some forum
  6. 24 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: STUNNING irrelevant quote maybe from a crank about a pyramid in Antarctica from 2016
  7. 24 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: The ignorance of citing a deluded Express UK newspaper blog article!
  8. 24 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: Ignorantly cites an irrelevant "Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories" thread
  9. 24 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A pilot does not know that Antarctica surrounds the South Pole and links to a fantasy about the Arctic !
  10. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A post of nonsense about irrelevant "two sheets of rolled up paper".
  11. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: Quotes irrelevant paranoia? about cell phone safety.
  12. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A 'see an improvement" fantasy with an irrelevant banking link that is nothing to do with the quack Magic Magee device.
  13. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: Links to an irrelevant quack web site touting a quack book (no Magic Magee).
  14. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A lie about Heather's book since the link is not about her and the previous book advertisement did not mention the Magic Magee.
  15. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A lie of a untested "grounding" technique being the Magic Magee - no mention, not even any magnets !
  16. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: An at least irrelevant man walks into bar story.
  17. 27 March 2007 Bruce Voigt: An unsupported story about a 2001 ’'burn and cure' demonstration with the fantasy that donating a quack device means that it is used.
  18. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: A lie about redistribution of beds being about the quack Magic Magee device.
  19. 27 March 2017 Bruce Voigt: An ignorant fantasy of bear grease and the quack Magic Magee device.
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Old 26th March 2017, 05:47 PM   #165
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27 March 2007 Bruce Voigt: An unsupported story about a 2001 ’'burn and cure' demonstration with the fantasy that donating a quack device means that it is used.
and works - which, given the description, it cannot possibly do......
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and works - which, given the description, it cannot possibly do......
Not to hijack the thread too much, but I have not actually seen a description of this thing. Maybe I missed it, but could you link to that?
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There is no real description. A thing called the Magic Magee Healing Tool uses some vague varying magnets to do whatever the inventor thinks it can do including curing cancer. It has been around since at least 2001. Only seems to be touted by Bruce Voigt with no sign of its inventor doing any advertising. The only person "testing" it seems to be Bruce Voigt by burning subjects and then reporting nothing.
Lots of irrelevant posts and personal stories from Bruce. The closest he gets to the real Magic Magee inventor is a story abut Victor Voigt and an application for a ship hulk conversion.

ETA: ‘Inventor’ on rusting hulk treating cancer (Aug 12, 2015)
But: Derelict Viki Lyne II removed from Ladysmith harbor (Oct 06, 2016) !

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Old 26th March 2017, 10:30 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
There is no real description. A thing called the Magic Magee Healing Tool uses some vague varying magnets to do whatever the inventor thinks it can do including curing cancer. It has been around since at least 2001. Only seems to be touted by Bruce Voigt with no sign of its inventor doing any advertising. The only person "testing" it seems to be Bruce Voigt by burning subjects and then reporting nothing.
Lots of irrelevant posts and personal stories from Bruce. The closest he gets to the real Magic Magee inventor is a story abut Victor Voigt and an application for a ship hulk conversion.

ETA: ‘Inventor’ on rusting hulk treating cancer (Aug 12, 2015)
But: Derelict Viki Lyne II removed from Ladysmith harbor (Oct 06, 2016) !
Right, so I guess I did not miss much of anything, except further evidence of just how crazy and marginal the whole derelict ship operation was.
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Not to hijack the thread too much, but I have not actually seen a description of this thing. Maybe I missed it, but could you link to that?
C:\Users\Bruce Voigt\Documents\IMG_3453 - The Body Soul & Spirit Expo.mht

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Scientist, inventor and magnetic expert, Bruce Voigt says magnetic energy can affect healing. With the application of properly configured magnetic energy, the cells begin to resonate and expand producing warmth resulting in increased circulation and blood flow. ... <snip>
http://bagcheaplv.blogspot.com/2012/...-would-be.html


Reality Check - Being the great researcher you are and getting your teeth into this will explain the how, why and who spent millions trying to shut down the Magic Magee Healing Device. Oh and about Victor so the editor got my name wrong (fake news)
You have pain, you take drugs, you become addicted. At this day and age side effects are well documented. Bloody well time for a change! http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/322059781.html

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<snip> I think it reasonable to ask a couple of basic questions which would make the discussion smoother.

A device called the "Magic Magee" is said to exist and to do certain things. Let us, for the moment, lay aside the content of the claims, or the character of those making them.

My questions are:

1: Is there any description available of what this device is, what it contains, or how it achieves its effect?
1a: If so, where can this be found?
2: Is there any corroborated instance of the device being used by parties other than its inventors or by the person posting here?
2a: If so, where can this be found?


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Scientist, inventor and magnetic expert, Bruce Voigt says magnetic energy can affect healing. With the application of properly configured magnetic energy, the cells begin to resonate and expand producing warmth resulting in increased circulation and blood flow. ... <snip>
http://bagcheaplv.blogspot.com/2012/...-would-be.html
Sounds like inductive heating to me. Microwaves do that to a piece of meat until it is cooked. I don't think it will cure cancer. But it will give you a warm fuzzy feeling as the nerve cells roast.
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Mr Voigt:

First of all, thank you for clearing up the "Victor" issue as merely a reporting error.

Unfortunately, your other links are not working very well, and I think some corruption has occurred. It would probably be a good idea to go back and fix the "bagcheaply" page, as I'm guessing that your device, whatever it might be, has little in common with Vuitton handbags.

The other link, apparently to an expo, came up dead, not surprisingly, since it appears to be the address of an image on your hard drive.
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C:\Users\...
That is a document on your hard drive, Bruce Voigt, and we obviously cannot read it!

<snip> Links to a handbag selling web page that takes his usual ad and inserts handbag outlet links!

<snip> Please give your evidence for anyone in the world spending millions to shut down the Magic Magee device.

Since it is just another quack magnetic device they would be taking advantage of it to make millions of dollars. For example see the magnetic bracelets that are sold on the Internet.

The rational conclusion is actually that no one knows about this specific quack magnetic device. No one seem to be actively marketing it. There seems nowhere on the Internet to buy it. All we have is its inventor, Bruce Voigt, touting an untested device with the extreme claim that it cures cancer. You have given no evidence that it does anything. Your "burn and cure demonstrations" are unsupported anecdotes without any actual reported cures. One other unsupported anecdote from 2001.

Thanks for finally acknowledging that you are the "Victor" Voigt in the article who is claiming to have a cure for cancer. That makes answering my 4 questions really easy for you.


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<snip> I think it reasonable to ask a couple of basic questions which would make the discussion smoother.

A device called the "Magic Magee" is said to exist and to do certain things. Let us, for the moment, lay aside the content of the claims, or the character of those making them.

My questions are:

1: Is there any description available of what this device is, what it contains, or how it achieves its effect?
1a: If so, where can this be found?
2: Is there any corroborated instance of the device being used by parties other than its inventors or by the person posting here?
2a: If so, where can this be found?


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Tuesday, November 14, 1995 FAIRVIEW POST NEWS IN BRIEF Fountain of youth discovered in Hines Creek inventor Bruce Voigt ----


Issue 125 December 2001 COMMON GROUND MaGiC MAGEE Get Pain Relief Now ----


alive #228 October 2001 Magnetic Power Heals Scientist, inventor and magnetic expert, Bruce Voigt says ----


SHARED VISION January 2002 New Magnetic Device Magic Magee is a completely new ----
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Bruce Voigt, could you provide links to the published news stories?
The bit of text you have tells us nothing about the device.
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That is a document on your hard drive, Bruce Voigt, and we obviously cannot read it!

<snip> Links to a handbag selling web page that takes his usual ad and inserts handbag outlet links!

<snip> Please give your evidence for anyone in the world spending millions to shut down the Magic Magee device.

Since it is just another quack magnetic device they would be taking advantage of it to make millions of dollars. For example see the magnetic bracelets that are sold on the Internet.

The rational conclusion is actually that no one knows about this specific quack magnetic device. No one seem to be actively marketing it. There seems nowhere on the Internet to buy it. All we have is its inventor, Bruce Voigt, touting an untested device with the extreme claim that it cures cancer. You have given no evidence that it does anything. Your "burn and cure demonstrations" are unsupported anecdotes without any actual reported cures. One other unsupported anecdote from 2001.

Thanks for finally acknowledging that you are the "Victor" Voigt in the article who is claiming to have a cure for cancer. That makes answering my 4 questions really easy for you.


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<snip>

Times have changed instead of Magna field go Frank Stronach lets see how good you are

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Times have changed instead of Magna field go Frank Stronach lets see how good you are

Edited by Loss Leader:  Deleted same snippet of article from handbag site as was previously quoted and linked. Rule 6.
Why should others do your work? If you're touting something you're proud of, how good we are is of no importance at all. What you need to show is how good you are, which might be accomplished by answering simple questions with direct answers.

If there's a connection between Frank Stronach and the Magic Magee it is not obvious.
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Why should others do your work? If you're touting something you're proud of, how good we are is of no importance at all. What you need to show is how good you are, which might be accomplished by answering simple questions with direct answers.

If there's a connection between Frank Stronach and the Magic Magee it is not obvious.
I am waiting to see what that another sceptic researcher comes up with.
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Tuesday, November 14, 1995 FAIRVIEW POST NEWS IN BRIEF Fountain of youth discovered in Hines Creek inventor Bruce Voigt ...
There is one benefit in these snips of text from interviews (or advertisements?) in local newspapers. We now know that the Magic Magee device has been around for about 22 years without any scientific evidence that it does anything! The only people who have been touting the device in the last couple of decades are Bruce Voigt and maybe an unnamed talk show host.
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I am waiting to see what that another sceptic researcher comes up with.
That implies that another "sceptic researcher" is running experiments using your device. If so can you tell them to contribute to this thread?

On the other hand it could be an expectation that we "sceptic researchers" do work for you. Like finding out that you derailed into a irrelevant topic (again!) of the Austrian and Canadian businessman and politician Frank Stronach?
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Tuesday, November 14, 1995 FAIRVIEW POST NEWS IN BRIEF Fountain of youth discovered in Hines Creek inventor Bruce Voigt ----


Issue 125 December 2001 COMMON GROUND MaGiC MAGEE Get Pain Relief Now ----


alive #228 October 2001 Magnetic Power Heals Scientist, inventor and magnetic expert, Bruce Voigt says ----


SHARED VISION January 2002 New Magnetic Device Magic Magee is a completely new ----
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Bruce Voigt's "burn and cure" demonstrations, e.g. from people he burned and "cured" (the basic fact that reheating a burn makes it more painful is not a cure).[/list]
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My discovery and invention promotes the fact 100% that;
Fire and heat activate the body to destroy itself (burn). The body does the damage NOT the flame or heat.

In a short time after a burn and cure I found that I could reactivate the injury with the heat of the Sun or the likes of dishwater temperature leaving the recipient (with their permission) again with the excruciating pain of a second-degree burn. Treating the burn again leaves the recipient with no pain after just a few minutes and just traces of a once forming blister. This demonstration uniquely leaves nothing for the skeptics------
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I have my copies order your own
So these decades old news articles/advertisements can be ordered from anyone anywhere in the world from where?

More importantly - do your outdated and inaccessible so far sources that you have copies of actually answer the questions that bruto asked?
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My questions are:

1: Is there any description available of what this device is, what it contains, or how it achieves its effect?
1a: If so, where can this be found?
2: Is there any corroborated instance of the device being used by parties other than its inventors or by the person posting here?
2a: If so, where can this be found?
What about your claims about the present day?
The unanswered questions from 21 March 2017 onward. which can easily be answered with citations of the Canadian health authorities who have accepted "Magic Magee Healing Tool" technology (your "This technology is now accepted within Canada's health authority" statement), etc.

Since we now know that you have a claim from at least 2015 that your device can cure cancer there are more questions:
Have anyone been verified as having been cured of cancer by your device?
How many doctors are using your device to cure cancer?
How many clinical trials have been done to test whether your device cures cancer?

‘Inventor’ on rusting hulk treating cancer (Aug 12, 2015) but that attempt to set up a clinic failed: Derelict Viki Lyne II removed from Ladysmith harbor (Oct 06, 2016).
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Reading very s l o w l y ! I read a not very clear description.
Fire and heat destroy the body. They do not make the body destroy itself. The body attempts to heal itself. That is why sunburn, etc. heal.

Everyone knows that burns are "reactivated" by more heat. Damaged nerves are sensitive to more damage.

It looks like that your claim is that for some reason your device has no effect on fresh burns. Thus you
  1. burn subjects with matches and wait.
  2. make the burns temporarily more painfully with sunlight or hot water to give the subject "the excruciating pain of a second-degree burn".
  3. treat with this still unspecified device.
  4. note that the pain that would have gone away in a few minutes anyway goes away in a few minutes!
  5. claim that the blisters almost magically vanish!
This demonstration leaves a lot for a skeptic:
  1. Why are you claiming that something (pain fading) that would happen naturally happens because of your device?
  2. How do you know that there were "once forming blisters"?
  3. How did you determine that these "once forming blisters" did not heal naturally?
  4. Where are the anecdotes from the many subjects who must have done this demonstration over that last 22 years?
  5. Where are the reports from the other people that you should have convinced to duplicate the demonstration in those 22 years?
  6. What was your control group?
  7. Where are your accounts of failures (it sounds as if you are ignoring any of them)?
  8. Why is there no evidence of any statistical analysis of your results?
  9. Why have you not bothered to publish your results?
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Originally Posted by Bruce Voigt View Post
Reality Check read slower
My discovery and invention promotes the fact 100% that;
Fire and heat activate the body to destroy itself (burn). The body does the damage NOT the flame or heat.
The implications of that statement are intriguing.
Do non-living things destroy themselves when "activated" by by fire and heat?

Would a long-dead body be destroyed by fire and heat since there is no biological process to activate?

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Treating the burn again leaves the recipient with no pain after just a few minutes and just traces of a once forming blister. This demonstration uniquely leaves nothing for the skeptics------
This "demonstration" under controlled settings would definitely convince people. Do you have any video of a blister going down in real time with treatment? It would have to be a blister that is obvious to everyone (e.g. 1/8" raised from the surrounding tissue).
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Old 30th March 2017, 04:08 PM   #188
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
Reading very s l o w l y ! I read a not very clear description.
Fire and heat destroy the body. They do not make the body destroy itself. The body attempts to heal itself. That is why sunburn, etc. heal.

Everyone knows that burns are "reactivated" by more heat. Damaged nerves are sensitive to more damage.

It looks like that your claim is that for some reason your device has no effect on fresh burns. Thus you
  1. burn subjects with matches and wait.
  2. make the burns temporarily more painfully with sunlight or hot water to give the subject "the excruciating pain of a second-degree burn".
  3. treat with this still unspecified device.
  4. note that the pain that would have gone away in a few minutes anyway goes away in a few minutes!
  5. claim that the blisters almost magically vanish!
This demonstration leaves a lot for a skeptic:
  1. Why are you claiming that something (pain fading) that would happen naturally happens because of your device?
  2. How do you know that there were "once forming blisters"?
  3. How did you determine that these "once forming blisters" did not heal naturally?
  4. Where are the anecdotes from the many subjects who must have done this demonstration over that last 22 years?
  5. Where are the reports from the other people that you should have convinced to duplicate the demonstration in those 22 years?
  6. What was your control group?
  7. Where are your accounts of failures (it sounds as if you are ignoring any of them)?
  8. Why is there no evidence of any statistical analysis of your results?
  9. Why have you not bothered to publish your results?
Who approved your claimed tests done by literally burning the subjects and where did you, in a peer reviewed legitimate (NOT a pay-to-publish) journal have your paper on the tests published?????
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