Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election - Page 81

Resume · 23rd November 2020, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

No. That was smart strategy. Now she is a free agent. Kinda like a pro athlete. She is now more powerful, as she is free to do whatever it takes to expose the crooks and bring justice to the nation's election, with no risk of jeopardizing Trump by association.

But, but she was a member of an "elite strike force team (snicker)" according to Jenna Ellis. What could be more powerful than that? It's like the Avengers or something. Now she's just a rando whack-job, squawking wildly on whatever lunatic conspiracy outlet that will still have her, or promoted by whatever clueless credule who still buys what she's selling, or whatever troll that still isn't bored by her.

Resume · 23rd November 2020, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Time will tell

It done tolled.

306 - 232

Thermal · 23rd November 2020, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

Hey, **** you guys. As someone said on Twitter, Trump can relate to the common: He contracted COVID, lost his job, and now he's facing eviction. Have a heart.

Plus he's one of a growing number who want to bang Ivanka but haven't yet.

jsfisher · 23rd November 2020, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Plus he's one of a growing number who want to bang Ivanka but haven't yet.

Stay classy. This wasn't.

Bubba · 23rd November 2020, 09:30 PM

Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell.

She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found.

Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell.

The Great Zaganza · 23rd November 2020, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell.

She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found.

Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell.

simple question, the only relevant question:

who is going to pay Powell for her work?

Resume · 23rd November 2020, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell.

It's over; no one cares what fevered fantasies Powell has to sell, not even Trump. The only people who look dumb are, well . . .

Quote:

She is diligently working . . .

On a psych eval.

Quote:

Time will tell.

It has told, and the bell has tolled: 306 - 232.

gnome · 23rd November 2020, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Okay so who wants to calculate the over/under on the epilogue to Biden's victory being procedurally officialized?

Two scenarios:

1. Trump's temper tantrum is permanentized; he and his legal team continue to insist for the rest of their lives that the election results were fraudulent.

2. Trump's legal team issues a statement along the lines of "We only wanted to make sure the results were fair and accurate and we are now satisfied, this is the system working as intended no hard feelings" and Trump is left to insinuate for the rest of his life that he was robbed but in ways that his proxies and spokespersons can handwave as joking or ironic when called out for it.

I predict statements indicating both.

surrogate · 23rd November 2020, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

simple question, the only relevant question:

who is going to pay Powell for her work?

Mexico?

gnome · 23rd November 2020, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Not necessarily

I am eager to hear your proposal as to how the outcome of the hand recount could be consistent with machine count manipulation.

If you choose not to express it, I'll just take your statement as a "nuh-uh" and get on with my life. Somehow.

gnome · 23rd November 2020, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell.

She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found.

Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell.

What's stopping her? They're at the point of "Scotty... now would be a good time."

TellyKNeasuss · 23rd November 2020, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell.

She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found.

Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell.

I better find some low calorie popcorn or else I'm going to gain a lot of weight.

TellyKNeasuss · 23rd November 2020, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

No. That was smart strategy. Now she is a free agent. Kinda like a pro athlete. She is now more powerful, as she is free to do whatever it takes to expose the crooks and bring justice to the nation's election, with no risk of jeopardizing Trump by association.

I am trying to figure out how she is more powerful now that she is no longer working with the President of the United States and leader of the largest cult in the world, but I'm not coming up with an answer.

StillSleepy · 23rd November 2020, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Trump in leather? I don't think I want to see that.

I have my doubts that the lace would be any better, but ultimately it's the confidence that's important.

rdaneel · 23rd November 2020, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Trump in leather? I don't think I want to see that.

Originally Posted by StillSleepy

I have my doubts that the lace would be any better, but ultimately it's the confidence that's important.

I'm just hoping he'll eventually be modeling the latest in orange jumpsuits. Nice match to his skintone.

dirtywick · 23rd November 2020, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

No. That was smart strategy. Now she is a free agent. Kinda like a pro athlete. She is now more powerful, as she is free to do whatever it takes to expose the crooks and bring justice to the nation's election, with no risk of jeopardizing Trump by association.

Concocting wild conspiracy theories at press conferences so crazy that even the right wing media thinks she's so incompetent that Trump fired her publicly for said incompetence was a smart strategy. That's a lot to unpack to be honest.

Like if you believe there's more evidence coming, then you know you're asking me to believe she could have just released the evidence and revealed the whole thing weeks ago but instead chose to look like an idiot?

Quote:

Not necessarily

If they could change the physical counts to match the computer counts then why would they not just alter the physical counts and let the computer just count normally? That's like adding another giant insane conspiracy on top of an already giant, insane conspiracy theory.

Bubba · 23rd November 2020, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

simple question, the only relevant question:

who is going to pay Powell for her work?

You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves.

Checkmite · 23rd November 2020, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell.

She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found.

No, she just wants Trump to be president, and will gleefully invent whatever explanation she needs to support that head-canon, regardless of the actual election result.

But it is ultimately meaningless, and Sydney Powell doesn't need to be "stopped" because she doesn't matter. Trump's own legal team was laughed out of court in Pennsylvania, and Biden has won so many times in Michigan by this point he may as well change his name to Ohio State.

It's over.

Resume · 23rd November 2020, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves.

If she wants to protect the nation from election thieves, she need look no further than her former "elite strike force team (snicker)" and the mirror.

The transition is started; the cabinet building has begun. It. Is. Over.

Meadmaker · 23rd November 2020, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that's what she thinks she is doing.

In that case, I would compare her to Don Quixote, who didn't feel the need to be paid for slaying dragons, but the windmill owners really wanted him to stop.

I have part ownership of the windmill that is American democracy, and she is doing damage to it, even if her intentions are exactly the opposite.

Elagabalus · 23rd November 2020, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves.

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smartcooky · 23rd November 2020, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

simple question, the only relevant question:

who is going to pay Powell for her work?

I was in Mike Flynn's position* I would fire Sidney Powell, because it is abundanlty clear that she is (in no particular order)

1. A complete nutcase
2. An utterly clueless and incompetent lawyer
3. Not focussing much on defending me

* I wouldn't be in Flynn's position because I would never betray my country the way he did.

Bubba · 23rd November 2020, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I was in Mike Flynn's position* I would fire Sidney Powell, because it is abundanlty clear that she is (in no particular order)

1. A complete nutcase
2. An utterly clueless and incompetent lawyer
3. Not focussing much on defending me

* I wouldn't be in Flynn's position because I would never betray my country the way he did.

Obamas old pal judge sullivan has Flynn under gag order. Why ??

quadraginta · 23rd November 2020, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by RolandRat

Originally Posted by dirtywick

“infiltrated Antifa” LOL

Not only infiltrated but in

Originally Posted by Bubba

an Antifa conference call

I wonder where their HQ is? I guess it's in a dormant volcano somewhere.

Oh, puleeaassseee.

We're talking ANTIFA!!!??!!! here. They'd never settle for a dormant volcano.

They'll be in an active one.

The Great Zaganza · 23rd November 2020, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves.

you don't understand people like Powell.

They always want money.

Norman Alexander · 23rd November 2020, 11:11 PM

Does antifa have membership cards? Any specials deals, like free knife and fork set when you sign up? Secret handshakes and salutes?

Darat · 24th November 2020, 03:03 AM

The latest conspiracy theory stuff in regards to Powell have been merged into the ongoing thread in the conspiracy section. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=347781

If Powell actually files anything in a court in relationship to overturning the 2020 GE or electoral fraud I’ll allow the topic back into the USA Politics section.

Until that happens keep her stuff to the Conspiracy Theory section of the forum.

Posted By:Darat

Darat · 24th November 2020, 03:15 AM

Continuation thread: Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election Part II

Posted By:Darat

23rd November 2020, 09:14 PM	#3201
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,590	Originally Posted by Bubba No. That was smart strategy. Now she is a free agent. Kinda like a pro athlete. She is now more powerful, as she is free to do whatever it takes to expose the crooks and bring justice to the nation's election, with no risk of jeopardizing Trump by association. But, but she was a member of an "elite strike force team (snicker)" according to Jenna Ellis. What could be more powerful than that? It's like the Avengers or something. Now she's just a rando whack-job, squawking wildly on whatever lunatic conspiracy outlet that will still have her, or promoted by whatever clueless credule who still buys what she's selling, or whatever troll that still isn't bored by her.
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23rd November 2020, 09:15 PM	#3202
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,590	Originally Posted by Bubba Time will tell It done tolled. 306 - 232
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23rd November 2020, 09:21 PM	#3203
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 13,004	Originally Posted by Cain Hey, **** you guys. As someone said on Twitter, Trump can relate to the common: He contracted COVID, lost his job, and now he's facing eviction. Have a heart. Plus he's one of a growing number who want to bang Ivanka but haven't yet.
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23rd November 2020, 09:24 PM	#3204
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 23,067	Originally Posted by Thermal Plus he's one of a growing number who want to bang Ivanka but haven't yet. Stay classy. This wasn't.
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23rd November 2020, 09:30 PM	#3205
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,164	Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell. She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found. Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell.
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23rd November 2020, 09:32 PM	#3206
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,274	Originally Posted by Bubba Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell. She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found. Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell. simple question, the only relevant question: who is going to pay Powell for her work?
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23rd November 2020, 09:33 PM	#3207
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,590	Originally Posted by Bubba Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell. It's over; no one cares what fevered fantasies Powell has to sell, not even Trump. The only people who look dumb are, well . . . Quote: She is diligently working . . . On a psych eval. Quote: Time will tell. It has told, and the bell has tolled: 306 - 232.
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23rd November 2020, 09:42 PM	#3208
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,803	Originally Posted by Checkmite Okay so who wants to calculate the over/under on the epilogue to Biden's victory being procedurally officialized? Two scenarios: 1. Trump's temper tantrum is permanentized; he and his legal team continue to insist for the rest of their lives that the election results were fraudulent. 2. Trump's legal team issues a statement along the lines of "We only wanted to make sure the results were fair and accurate and we are now satisfied, this is the system working as intended no hard feelings" and Trump is left to insinuate for the rest of his life that he was robbed but in ways that his proxies and spokespersons can handwave as joking or ironic when called out for it. I predict statements indicating both.
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23rd November 2020, 09:43 PM	#3209
surrogate Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Somewhere within the Orion Arm (aka NJ, USA) Posts: 447	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza simple question, the only relevant question: who is going to pay Powell for her work? Mexico?

23rd November 2020, 09:48 PM	#3210
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,803	Originally Posted by Bubba Not necessarily I am eager to hear your proposal as to how the outcome of the hand recount could be consistent with machine count manipulation. If you choose not to express it, I'll just take your statement as a "nuh-uh" and get on with my life. Somehow.
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23rd November 2020, 09:49 PM	#3211
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,803	Originally Posted by Bubba Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell. She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found. Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell. What's stopping her? They're at the point of "Scotty... now would be a good time."
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23rd November 2020, 09:52 PM	#3212
TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,623	Originally Posted by Bubba Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell. She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found. Truth is that she might get to court, she might not. Time will tell. I better find some low calorie popcorn or else I'm going to gain a lot of weight.
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23rd November 2020, 10:00 PM	#3213
TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,623	Originally Posted by Bubba No. That was smart strategy. Now she is a free agent. Kinda like a pro athlete. She is now more powerful, as she is free to do whatever it takes to expose the crooks and bring justice to the nation's election, with no risk of jeopardizing Trump by association. I am trying to figure out how she is more powerful now that she is no longer working with the President of the United States and leader of the largest cult in the world, but I'm not coming up with an answer.
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23rd November 2020, 10:10 PM	#3214
StillSleepy Muse Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Where the wild goose goes Posts: 611	Originally Posted by acbytesla Trump in leather? I don't think I want to see that. I have my doubts that the lace would be any better, but ultimately it's the confidence that's important.
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23rd November 2020, 10:15 PM	#3215
rdaneel Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I'M IN THE PHONEBOOK! I'M SOMEBODY!!! Posts: 4,195	Originally Posted by acbytesla Trump in leather? I don't think I want to see that. Originally Posted by StillSleepy I have my doubts that the lace would be any better, but ultimately it's the confidence that's important. I'm just hoping he'll eventually be modeling the latest in orange jumpsuits. Nice match to his skintone.
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23rd November 2020, 10:24 PM	#3216
dirtywick Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,811	Originally Posted by Bubba No. That was smart strategy. Now she is a free agent. Kinda like a pro athlete. She is now more powerful, as she is free to do whatever it takes to expose the crooks and bring justice to the nation's election, with no risk of jeopardizing Trump by association. Concocting wild conspiracy theories at press conferences so crazy that even the right wing media thinks she's so incompetent that Trump fired her publicly for said incompetence was a smart strategy. That's a lot to unpack to be honest. Like if you believe there's more evidence coming, then you know you're asking me to believe she could have just released the evidence and revealed the whole thing weeks ago but instead chose to look like an idiot? Quote: Not necessarily If they could change the physical counts to match the computer counts then why would they not just alter the physical counts and let the computer just count normally? That's like adding another giant insane conspiracy on top of an already giant, insane conspiracy theory.
dirtywick Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,811	Last edited by dirtywick; 23rd November 2020 at 10:26 PM.

23rd November 2020, 10:29 PM	#3217
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,164	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza simple question, the only relevant question: who is going to pay Powell for her work? You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves.
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,164	Last edited by Bubba; 23rd November 2020 at 10:32 PM.

23rd November 2020, 10:32 PM	#3218
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,329	Originally Posted by Bubba Pretending it is over is ill advised, looks dumb, and it wont stop Sidney Powell. She is diligently working to get her evidence to court. She wants to make sure it was a fair clean election and expose any significant fraud found. No, she just wants Trump to be president, and will gleefully invent whatever explanation she needs to support that head-canon, regardless of the actual election result. But it is ultimately meaningless, and Sydney Powell doesn't need to be "stopped" because she doesn't matter. Trump's own legal team was laughed out of court in Pennsylvania, and Biden has won so many times in Michigan by this point he may as well change his name to Ohio State. It's over.
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23rd November 2020, 10:38 PM	#3219
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,590	Originally Posted by Bubba You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves. If she wants to protect the nation from election thieves, she need look no further than her former "elite strike force team (snicker)" and the mirror. The transition is started; the cabinet building has begun. It. Is. Over.
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23rd November 2020, 10:39 PM	#3220
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,714	Originally Posted by Bubba You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves. For the sake of argument, let's assume that's what she thinks she is doing. In that case, I would compare her to Don Quixote, who didn't feel the need to be paid for slaying dragons, but the windmill owners really wanted him to stop. I have part ownership of the windmill that is American democracy, and she is doing damage to it, even if her intentions are exactly the opposite.
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23rd November 2020, 10:41 PM	#3222
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,396	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza simple question, the only relevant question: who is going to pay Powell for her work? I was in Mike Flynn's position* I would fire Sidney Powell, because it is abundanlty clear that she is (in no particular order) 1. A complete nutcase 2. An utterly clueless and incompetent lawyer 3. Not focussing much on defending me * I wouldn't be in Flynn's position because I would never betray my country the way he did.
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23rd November 2020, 10:59 PM	#3223
Bubba Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 5,164	Originally Posted by smartcooky I was in Mike Flynn's position* I would fire Sidney Powell, because it is abundanlty clear that she is (in no particular order) 1. A complete nutcase 2. An utterly clueless and incompetent lawyer 3. Not focussing much on defending me * I wouldn't be in Flynn's position because I would never betray my country the way he did. Obamas old pal judge sullivan has Flynn under gag order. Why ??
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23rd November 2020, 11:05 PM	#3224
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,133	Originally Posted by RolandRat Originally Posted by dirtywick “infiltrated Antifa” LOL Not only infiltrated but in Originally Posted by Bubba an Antifa conference call I wonder where their HQ is? I guess it's in a dormant volcano somewhere. Oh, puleeaassseee. We're talking ANTIFA!!!??!!! here. They'd never settle for a dormant volcano. They'll be in an active one.
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23rd November 2020, 11:11 PM	#3225
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,274	Originally Posted by Bubba You failed to ask whether or not she needs money, and whether or not wants to be paid for trying to save the nation from election thieves. you don't understand people like Powell. They always want money.
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23rd November 2020, 11:11 PM	#3226
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