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The Torys hoisted by their own petard for introducing standards into politics!
I have not read the report and do not know the details. From the BBC
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But didn't the report mitigate for that? Whilst it might an historical truth that the working classes resented having woman or an ethnic minority person as their boss, so behaved in a resistant and hostile manner, nonetheless it is also well-known that in Indian culture (which is also very much class-based, as is British culture) that 'you suck up↑ and kick down ↓' . By this, it means you sycophantically crawl to your bosses but bully those lower down. So, whilst Johnson and his chums think the 'pritster' is charming and has been misunderstood, her underlings in the Civil Service may have had a very different experience of her. It is a common tactic of an office bully to surround him or herself with an inner circle.
This type of behaviour is very damaging for the victims of the bully. It can cause nervous breakdown (as happened to two friends of mine). Whilst sure, there are still people around who resent women and 'ethnics' as their bosses, I fail to see how bullying resolves this. There are proper HR procedures to deal with this. It is a cop out to say it is 'racism' that forced Patel to be a bully. |
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None of us have....
Do you agree then that your use of politicians' behaviour prior to the Ministerial Code isn't a support for this case being caused by institutional racism? And I am not saying there isn't institutional racism within the civil service and the government, just that in this case there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it. I am happy to see whatever evidence you think supports that this case is in fact caused or heavily influenced by institutional racism. Shouldn't you let the evidence lead to a conclusion ? |
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Again we are all only getting titbits of information so I am dubious of the quality of the "facts" however from what we have in front of us one person who in fact has a case going to tribunal in which she is named states that she had previously been warned about her behaviour.
(That person's evidence wasn't considered by the inquiry because of the ongoing legal case.) |
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There’s been a written Ministerial code since at least the first time I worked in a UK Govt department, which was 1999. Blunkett resigned over a breach of the Code in 2004. But it’s lost in the midst of time and memory what provisions it had on bullying, harassment and discrimination, and whether those were added recently, sorry. Each PM since Brown has issued a new version on attaining office. The Johnson version is here, if you’re interested: Current Ministerial Code
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You’re welcome. I tried to find older versions of the Code without success, but I have now found a history of the Code at the Institute for Government website. History of the Ministerial Code
You’ll be interested in the last para:
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I am actually surprised at that, as BHD has been monitored (and sometimes even acted on!) for civil servants for a long time. Perhaps it was thought that Ministers wouldn’t stoop to such behaviour. * ETA - actually, this could be wrong. While there were allegations of Patel’s bullying behaviour at DFID, it’s not clear these were ever raised formally under the Code. The element that she resigned from DFID over, inappropriately making contact with a foreign government, appears to have been added to the Code in the section on conduct during foreign visits. |
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I honestly don't know what's happened to this website recently, where it now seems that providing a citation is seen as a terrible imposition, and asking for a citation is seen as the height of unreasonableness.
People do understand the role that evidence and primary sources play in scepticism, don't they? And they have looked at the name of the website that they're posting on, haven't they? This is really, really basic stuff. The board rules, for reference:
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As is the case with many prominent politicians, he resigned, and then came back. Some politicians do this multiple times. Blunkett sits in the House of Lords now, so probably won't need to resign again because "the Code" for lords seems to be rather more lax than the already pretty lax ones for ministers and MPs.
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How pathetic - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55057680 “ their mass walkout from Tuesday's [NEC] virtual meeting”
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I vaguely recalled Blunkett’s resignation - the visa for a nanny stayed in my mind, so I’ve gone and read a few articles about it from the time. I’m astonished to learn that the bod who ran the inquiry didn’t know there was a ministerial code!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/...nkett.politics
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Its all about who you know and are in favour with. Patel is now totally beholden to Johnson.
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Trying to check what tier I am in...
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What tier am I in? Latest Covid rules in England post-lockdown
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I suspect the lookup website had a few more visitors than usual when I was trying. No one could have predicted that...
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Serious question as I'm a tad unsure, I am in a tier 2 area as is London, to travel into London has me going via Slough train station and Slough is in Tier 3. Is that journey fine?
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I'm in a Tier 3 area, but I can walk to a pub half a mile away that's over the county border in Tier 2. Not that I would, of course - I've not been in a pub or restaurant since January - but plenty of my neighbours will make the journey. They wouldn't walk, though - they use their cars for any journey more than a couple of hundred yards.
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Yes according to this its ok to pass through tier 3 as pat of a longer journey
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b1761760.html Not if you are following the rules you can't. you aren't allowed to travel to a tier 3 area from a tier 2 or vice versa. |
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The Guardian: Huge wealth of Rishi Sunak's family not declared in ministerial register.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...erial-register One had wondered how he made it to Chancellor so young. |
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Jacob Rees-Mogg tweeted
@Jacob_Rees_Mogg The first duty of the British government is to its subjects. The Chancellor is providing £4 billion of taxpayers’ money to support the economies of the midlands and the north this parliament. |
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When did we become 'subjects' of Rees-Mogg?
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The government has cut £1bn from the rail infrastructure budget following the chancellor's Spending Review.
Rishi Sunak had previously promised record infrastructure investment as part of the government's "levelling up" agenda. Until now, Network Rail's "enhancement" budget for the five year period from 2019-24 had been set at £10.4bn. But, this week rail minister Chris Heaton-Harris said that the budget would now be £9.4bn. That has put a question mark over some long-planned improvements to rail infrastructure. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55182000 But they will keep pouring billions and billions down the HS2 ********. |
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