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Someone at a press conference should ask Rudy about it.
I think it's safe to say that it was the Hunter laptops that were used to change the votes. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Imagine a special edition of Clue, the board game.
It was Hunter Biden, in the pizza parlor, with a laptop. |
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Those children were drowned in Rudy's hair dye sweat! Think of the children!
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The jokes are fine, but, seriously, I'm still surprised at the lack of any real "October Surprise" from the Trump camp.
Didn't see that coming at all. |
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#1647 |
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Where is Bill?
He's been very quiet lately. |
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As far as I've seen, Barr has always been weird and a coward. He's probably hiding under his bed, smelling his old socks.
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#1653 |
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I wish he was out in public more so we could enjoy his predicament. Trump is I'm sure, furious with him for his failure to produce an October surprise or come up with any election fraud. The US attorneys responded to his instruction to investigate election "irregularities" with a rousing, "Yeah, I'll get right on that". His boss is pissed and his workforce is in open revolt. It's kind of fun to watch. A fitting end for the person who ordered the police to attack peaceful protestors.
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#1654 |
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Barr is likely just staying on the down low as much as possible right now riding out his time until he hands in his resignation. Staying away from Trump is the best thing he can do.
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Who, Fred Flintstone? He's out riding dinos with Jesus.
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Well, the last time I guessed that they really had a laptop that they had obtained somehow, though I had serious doubts about the "he abandoned it at a repair shop" story. At this point, given that all that was released was the contents of (not sure of exact number) 5 or 6 emails, I am completely unconvinced that there ever even was a laptop. I suspect that the emails thery released (obtained by who knows what means) were all they ever had.
Are we really supposed to believe that they had evidence that Hunter was fooling with underaged girls, that they would not have released it? |
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#1657 |
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That's right. The ghost of Hugo Chavez helped Hunter Biden use his laptops to hack the voting machines to change all the votes from black people in Detroit and Philadelphia from Trump to Biden. Because Hunter's a drug addict, he forgot to fix the House and Senate votes while he was at it.
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It will be incorporated as-is in Sidney Powell’s next lawsuit.
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Barr's December surprise: Durham becomes a "special counsel" in Russia probe investigation.
Biden's AG gets a poisoned present.
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The regulation for Special Counsel states "The Special Counsel shall be selected from outside the United States Government." https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.3 That's obviously not the case with Durham, currently US Attorney for Connecticut. That may make it easier for Biden's AG to get rid of Durham, if (s)he so wishes. |
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You want an actual surprise for December?
William Barr says there is no evidence of widespread fraud in presidential election |
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This is not surprising for me.
Rotting USA into rigthwing authoritarian state is proceeding nicely - Biden is just temporary setback, not first, not last. These guys play long, multidecade game, from convincing people to vote against their best interests to actual election fraud in many, more or less legal forms like voting surpression. And then there goes Trump breaking toys, throwing tantrums and creating non-zero chance it all will go off rails, not necessarily in direction wished by rethuglicans. |
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#1668 |
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No. Barr passed the buck in a trick move. There is no evidence there that Obama spied on Trump's campaign. If there had been you know it would have been out there already, even if it was weak evidence.
There is evidence the FBI has been a little sloppy applying for FISA warrants. We've known that for several years now. That's all there is to see folks. A scapegoat or two at most, probably doing what everyone's been doing for years. Barr didn't have the courage to tell Trump there was no there there. Now he's washing his hands of it. Maybe he has a couple news agencies tricked into describing it as an investigation Biden can't stop. But who says Biden cares? He knows there was no there there. And I've already read that nothing was going to involve anybody at the top like Obama or Biden. D'uh. |
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That's probably what the Biden admin will do.
At least keep Durham until most nominees have been confirmed by the Senate. Barr's trick to appoint Durham not as Special Counsel, but then use his authority as AG to apply the special counsel regulations to the appointment, is clever only at first glance. The next AG can use the same authority to rescind the regulation for Durham, and then fire him. The whole exercise is really just adding a "problem" for Biden. It will be used by Republicans for one more "outrage session" if and when Durham is fired. No big deal, and probably not in the top 50 of poison pills Trump will leave for Biden and the US. |
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Various right wing pundits have opened fire, so it's probably just a matter of time.
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"appeared to join in with the radical Dems and the deep-state and the resistance" AKA "reality"
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"Some of us are wondering if he is a warrior with the Constitution" - is that intended to imply that Kelly feels he should properly be at war with the Constitution? That may be a truth he didn't mean to reveal.
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To me, the 2 questions are...
- How much integrity does Durham have? Will he go over the top and try to find fraud where none exists in support of Trumpism, or actually look at evidence (or lack of it) - Does he have the ability to actually prosecute people during the course of his investigation. (I think he does, but I'm not 100% sure.) In the worst-case scenario, he could be problematic if he decided to run around charging people "just because", which would make it hard to ignore him. |
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Interesting to see the power cognitive dissonance has. Believers in the grand conspiracy to steal the election from DJT have convinced themselves through the echo chambers of Facebook, Twitter, Parlor, and associated websites that the evidence is simply indisputable.
Thus AG Barr's comment that the DOJ, which includes the FBI, hasn't found evidence of fraud that would rise to the level of changing the election outcome, is simply inconceivable. Therefore it's seen as just more evidence of how great a hold the anti-Trump deep state has and Barr must either be a knowing part of it or incompetent. The power of cognitive dissonance boggles the mind. |
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"...but on the plus side, he sure plays a mean pinball!" |
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Well my advice to Joe Biden would be to let the investigation run its course, unless it turns into a full blown Ken Starr type massive fishing expedition. If he tries to fire the special counsel, or otherwise hinder his investigation, he just makes it look like there is something to hide. If some FBI agents didn't follow proper procedure, deal with them accordingly.
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I didn't expect Barr to come out in support of Trump's nonsense. I pretty much knew Barr wasn't stupid enough to make allegations he knew he couldn't support in court. But it is surprising that he pro-actively contradicted Trump. There was really no need for him to do that, and as you said, he and his type usually don't have any problem just letting the rot continue unabated. And that's why calling out Trump like this is such a surprise. I suppose he could be trying to polish his public image, but it seems slightly delusional for him to think that is possible at this point. |
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you are being overly dramatic - which is interesting, given that you seem to be unusually blase about whatever Trump does.
Multiple investigations have shown that the "forging" was neither large nor significant: nothing would have changed if it hadn't happened, except for one less guilty plea and probably dismissal. Don't you think that this would have been a bigger deal, legally, if it was as bad as you make it out to be? Remember: Barr himself said that this was a nothingburger. |
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My point is that destruction caused by Trump may be slightly at odds with what republicans actually want. Think about it as Evil vs Evil trope.
You see, multi-decade long, slow rot into authoritarian state won't really cause any massive opposition. Frog in boiling water syndrome. This is why they do it like that. Patience is rewarded. On other hand, sudden change (like declaring Trump POTUS against not only popular vote, but also electoral vote) will cause mass riots, violence and serious calls for significant reform of system... and last item, however unlikely, is absolute threat to rethuglicans and their goals. This is where republican and Trump interests are at odds. Right now, Trump is useful for Republican party only for Georgia runoffs. After that, they would really want to drop Trump like used condom, but obviously it is rather hard to do without pissing off his base of deplorables. Sure, their amount should be smaller after 20 Jan, but republicans still cannot afford alienating them. |
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