Continuation The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Retweeted

Lou Dobbs
@LouDobbs
Trump says coronavirus vaccine deliveries will start next week
The comments come ahead of a Dec. 10 meeting where FDA regulators will review Pfizer and BioNTech's request for an emergency use authorization for their COVID-19 vaccine.
foxnews.com

[Trebuchet]

I predict that Trump will demand his signature be printed on the handout sheets you get when vaccinated.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Here is a nice list of stems, prefixes, roots, and suffixes for drugs.

https://mynursingmastery.com/blog/dr...s-and-suffixes

Thanks. Very useful.

[Resume]

From Worldometer:

Quote:

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
13,454,254
Deaths:
271,026

New cases:
164,012

New Deaths:
1,364

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Retweeted

Lou Dobbs
@LouDobbs
Trump says coronavirus vaccine deliveries will start next week
The comments come ahead of a Dec. 10 meeting where FDA regulators will review Pfizer and BioNTech's request for an emergency use authorization for their COVID-19 vaccine.
foxnews.com

What's funny in a very, very dark way is that Trump won't be remembered for the vaccine. He's going to be remembered for the blood bath that will be the next two months.

[Solitaire]

I just saw a report saying Tennessee has two thousand ICU beds at ninety percent capacity
and in a month nothing will remain open.

Scary times.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by Craig4

What's funny in a very, very dark way is that Trump won't be remembered for the vaccine. He's going to be remembered for the blood bath that will be the next two months.

In the near term, about 48% of the electorate will believe he is solely responsible for creating the vaccine.

[newyorkguy]

More bad news as the U.S surpassed 200,000 case in a single day for the first time. We broke 100,000 cases in a single day a little over three weeks ago. Health experts are also warning, as the nation moves into the holiday season the numbers may become erratic, possibly giving the illusion the virus spread is easing when it may not be.

Quote:

The U.S. reported more than 200,000 COVID-19 cases for the first time on Friday, an all-time high reached about three weeks after the nation first reported 100,000 daily cases on Nov. 4. The nation recorded 205,557 new cases Friday. That rapid doubling, as reported by Johns Hopkins University, is reminiscent of the virus' growth this spring, when exponential spread prompted widespread restrictions across the country in an effort to control the virus...But experts warn that coronavirus testing numbers are likely to be erratic over the next week or so as fewer people get tested during the Thanksgiving holiday weekend and testing sites observe shorter hours. The result could be potential dips in reported infections that offer the illusion that the spread of the virus is easing when, in fact, the numbers say little about where the nation stands in fighting COVID-19. USA Today article link

From an article in Forbes a month ago.

Quote:

President Trump has said the United States is “rounding the turn” – or “corner” or “bend” – on the coronavirus pandemic with shocking consistency over the last two months, a period in which average daily cases have risen sharply. Forbes link

What the hell is trump saying now? If he has one shred of decency left, he needs to address this.

[Resume]

From Worldometer:

Quote:

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
13,610,357
Deaths:
272,254

New Cases:
143,373
New Deaths:
1,216

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

More bad news as the U.S surpassed 200,000 case in a single day for the first time. We broke 100,000 cases in a single day a little over three weeks ago. Health experts are also warning, as the nation moves into the holiday season the numbers may become erratic, possibly giving the illusion the virus spread is easing when it may not be.


From an article in Forbes a month ago.

What the hell is trump saying now? If he has one shred of decency left, he needs to address this.

And Covid is now play9ing havoc with the NFL season;a game which could well decide who goes to the SUperbowl has been postponed, and the 49ers have to find a new place to play becuase Santa Clara county just banned all contact sports.

Yeah we will never hear of vCovid after the election.

[newyorkguy]

New York, especially the downstate area, could possibly be in line for more state-mandated shutdowns as cases continue to rise.

Quote:

The coronavirus pandemic continued its resurgence in New York on Saturday, with metrics presented by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Sunday showing the public health crisis is reaching levels not seen in the state in months..."This is a new phase for COVID," the governor warned on a conference call with reporters on Sunday. "The numbers are going up. Not as fast as in other states, but the numbers are going up."...The rise in hospitalizations is particularly worrisome, Cuomo said, as it could strain the capacity of hospitals to care for sick patients if the trend continues. Cuomo said he would discuss on Monday a plan to combat the virus through the winter. Newsday link (normally paywalled)

We'll be watching to see what is announced this week. At my job, and in the neighborhood, most of the people I know prefer to err on the side of caution. Quite a few have predicted we may be headed for another non-essential business shutdown and we all agree, that would be okay. One man, a trump fanatic, was making noise about New York ordering holiday gatherings be limited in size. He angrily said Cuomo could go screw himself. This man said he would have at least thirty people to his home for Thanksgiving, family and friends. Ironically, I think most of the guests didn't show up.

New York City has seen cases increase. Friday we recorded over 2,500 new cases, the most since early May but still many fewer than the peak in mid-April when we were at or over 8,000 per day.

[Resume]

From Worldometer:

Quote:

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
13,750,404
Deaths:
273,072

New Cases:
138,188
New Deaths:
819

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

New York, especially the downstate area, could possibly be in line for more state-mandated shutdowns as cases continue to rise.


We'll be watching to see what is announced this week. At my job, and in the neighborhood, most of the people I know prefer to err on the side of caution. Quite a few have predicted we may be headed for another non-essential business shutdown and we all agree, that would be okay. One man, a trump fanatic, was making noise about New York ordering holiday gatherings be limited in size. He angrily said Cuomo could go screw himself. This man said he would have at least thirty people to his home for Thanksgiving, family and friends. Ironically, I think most of the guests didn't show up.

New York City has seen cases increase. Friday we recorded over 2,500 new cases, the most since early May but still many fewer than the peak in mid-April when we were at or over 8,000 per day.

It's just the blue states!

[Minoosh]

I think maybe it's sinking in with some people that Covid is a real thing and that hospital ICU beds are probably facing a serious crunch.

At the same time, not a lot of people are looking forward to more shutdowns.

Something's got to give, but I don't know what.

[newyorkguy]

Dr Anthony Fauci is predicting rising numbers.

Quote:

The nation’s top infectious disease expert said Sunday that the U.S. may see “surge upon a surge” of the coronavirus in the weeks after Thanksgiving, and he does not expect current recommendations around social distancing to be relaxed before Christmas...Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told ABC’s “This Week” that the level of infection in the U.S. would not "all of a sudden turn around. So clearly in the next few weeks, we’re going to have the same sort of thing. And perhaps even two or three weeks down the line ... we may see a surge upon a surge,” he said. Philadelphia Inquirer link

If the standard incubation period for Covid-19 is 10-14 days, I too am wondering what the numbers look like by say December 10th, when people infected over Thanksgiving weekend start getting sick.

By the way, polling still shows upwards of 70% of those polled would support -- from 'very likely' to 'somewhat likely' -- another shutdown if it is deemed necessary by public health officials. But people like that don't make news. Someone who says they will never support a shutdown, that this isn't the Soviet Union, that attracts views.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

What's up with Britain? How is the US behind them?

The Bouffant Buffoon and his cronies.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

In the near term, about 48% of the electorate will believe he is solely responsible for creating the vaccine.

For now, but history is not written by the illiterate.

[Meadmaker]

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

Dr Anthony Fauci is predicting rising numbers.


If the standard incubation period for Covid-19 is 10-14 days, I too am wondering what the numbers look like by say December 10th, when people infected over Thanksgiving weekend start getting sick.

By the way, polling still shows upwards of 70% of those polled would support -- from 'very likely' to 'somewhat likely' -- another shutdown if it is deemed necessary by public health officials. But people like that don't make news. Someone who says they will never support a shutdown, that this isn't the Soviet Union, that attracts views.

One of the things that I think will change on January 20, if not sooner, is that we will have scientists that aren't interfered with, and can actually formulate a plan that won't be overridden by a guy watching his reelection chances.

The problem with the lockdowns in the US was that they were never part of a grand strategy. The federal government never provided the leadership. Lockdowns can't be long term, so they only make sense if they are followed up by testing and contact tracing that leads to containment. That probably was never realistic for the US, but it certainly wasn't realistic with Trump and the helm sticking his fingers in the pie.

[thaiboxerken]

Right now, Fauci's role seems to be MOTO. Master of the obvious. Sadly, even his extreme qualifications as a doctor don't matter to the Trumpanzees and he's only pointing out the obvious.

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

Moderna now applying for Emergency Vaccine Approval..
@US_FDA MUST ACT QUICKLY!!! “Operation Warp Speed has been a great modern day miracle.”

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Moderna now applying for Emergency Vaccine Approval..
@US_FDA MUST ACT QUICKLY!!! “Operation Warp Speed has been a great modern day miracle.”

And also a blinding flash of the obvious. If Jill freaking Stein had won in 2016 she would have accelerated vaccine development, approval and production. The president's real job was to figure out how we could live and function with the virus without overloading our hospitals while we were waiting for the vaccine. In that, he failed miserably.

[slyjoe]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Right now, Fauci's role seems to be MOTO. Master of the obvious. Sadly, even his extreme qualifications as a doctor don't matter to the Trumpanzees and he's only pointing out the obvious.

Fauci as Captain Obvious:

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

One of the things that I think will change on January 20, if not sooner, is that we will have scientists that aren't interfered with, and can actually formulate a plan that won't be overridden by a guy watching his reelection chances.

The problem with the lockdowns in the US was that they were never part of a grand strategy. The federal government never provided the leadership. Lockdowns can't be long term, so they only make sense if they are followed up by testing and contact tracing that leads to containment. That probably was never realistic for the US, but it certainly wasn't realistic with Trump and the helm sticking his fingers in the pie.

Just to be clear here, I quite disagree with that sentiment. That the Trump Administration and Republican propagandists sabotaged efforts in many ways across the board may make it look a bit like that, but... it's really not the case. Just imagine, for a moment, what would fairly certainly have happened if Hillary had been President, though. Even ignoring that it would have been much more likely to have been crushed while it was still almost exclusively in China, there's lots and lots of points of divergence. The Pandemic response team and protocols would fairly certainly have been adhered to, for example, with more useful intra- and inter-government coordination. Hillary, and just about anyone else sensible, would have acted to try to impede and prepare for potential spread since before it arrived, which would help quite a lot when it comes to keeping it under control from the start, rather than trying to put out a fire that's already raging through the walls around you. Going further, you likely know as well as I do that most of right-wing media would be screaming their heads off about how the Democrats were responsible for every single death and putting pressure on everyone to take Covid-19 seriously - which they could do with dramatically more leeway, because it wouldn't have been anywhere close to as bad of a crisis.