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Trump Retweeted
Lou Dobbs @LouDobbs Trump says coronavirus vaccine deliveries will start next week The comments come ahead of a Dec. 10 meeting where FDA regulators will review Pfizer and BioNTech's request for an emergency use authorization for their COVID-19 vaccine. foxnews.com |
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Penultimate Amazing
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I predict that Trump will demand his signature be printed on the handout sheets you get when vaccinated.
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Penultimate Amazing
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I just saw a report saying Tennessee has two thousand ICU beds at ninety percent capacity
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More bad news as the U.S surpassed 200,000 case in a single day for the first time. We broke 100,000 cases in a single day a little over three weeks ago. Health experts are also warning, as the nation moves into the holiday season the numbers may become erratic, possibly giving the illusion the virus spread is easing when it may not be.
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Penultimate Amazing
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And Covid is now play9ing havoc with the NFL season;a game which could well decide who goes to the SUperbowl has been postponed, and the 49ers have to find a new place to play becuase Santa Clara county just banned all contact sports.
Yeah we will never hear of vCovid after the election. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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New York, especially the downstate area, could possibly be in line for more state-mandated shutdowns as cases continue to rise.
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jul 2011
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I think maybe it's sinking in with some people that Covid is a real thing and that hospital ICU beds are probably facing a serious crunch.
At the same time, not a lot of people are looking forward to more shutdowns. Something's got to give, but I don't know what. |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Mar 2013
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Dr Anthony Fauci is predicting rising numbers.
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By the way, polling still shows upwards of 70% of those polled would support -- from 'very likely' to 'somewhat likely' -- another shutdown if it is deemed necessary by public health officials. But people like that don't make news. Someone who says they will never support a shutdown, that this isn't the Soviet Union, that attracts views. ![]() |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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One of the things that I think will change on January 20, if not sooner, is that we will have scientists that aren't interfered with, and can actually formulate a plan that won't be overridden by a guy watching his reelection chances. The problem with the lockdowns in the US was that they were never part of a grand strategy. The federal government never provided the leadership. Lockdowns can't be long term, so they only make sense if they are followed up by testing and contact tracing that leads to containment. That probably was never realistic for the US, but it certainly wasn't realistic with Trump and the helm sticking his fingers in the pie. |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2001
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Right now, Fauci's role seems to be MOTO. Master of the obvious. Sadly, even his extreme qualifications as a doctor don't matter to the Trumpanzees and he's only pointing out the obvious.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Trump Tweets
Moderna now applying for Emergency Vaccine Approval.. @US_FDA MUST ACT QUICKLY!!! “Operation Warp Speed has been a great modern day miracle.” |
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#3021 |
Penultimate Amazing
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And also a blinding flash of the obvious. If Jill freaking Stein had won in 2016 she would have accelerated vaccine development, approval and production. The president's real job was to figure out how we could live and function with the virus without overloading our hospitals while we were waiting for the vaccine. In that, he failed miserably.
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Join Date: Sep 2011
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Just to be clear here, I quite disagree with that sentiment. That the Trump Administration and Republican propagandists sabotaged efforts in many ways across the board may make it look a bit like that, but... it's really not the case. Just imagine, for a moment, what would fairly certainly have happened if Hillary had been President, though. Even ignoring that it would have been much more likely to have been crushed while it was still almost exclusively in China, there's lots and lots of points of divergence. The Pandemic response team and protocols would fairly certainly have been adhered to, for example, with more useful intra- and inter-government coordination. Hillary, and just about anyone else sensible, would have acted to try to impede and prepare for potential spread since before it arrived, which would help quite a lot when it comes to keeping it under control from the start, rather than trying to put out a fire that's already raging through the walls around you. Going further, you likely know as well as I do that most of right-wing media would be screaming their heads off about how the Democrats were responsible for every single death and putting pressure on everyone to take Covid-19 seriously - which they could do with dramatically more leeway, because it wouldn't have been anywhere close to as bad of a crisis.
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I certainly don't have any sort of inside information that says one way or another. I was just figuring that we ought to have been able to do as well as the average European country, but I don't see any reason we should have been able to do better than the best large European countries. So, way back when the first lockdown started happening, I envisioned that there would be several weeks of fairly tight lockdown, during which cases would drop to a very low number, and then we would have such a high testing capacity that we could swat the case numbers down everywhere they popped up.
That expectation doesn't seem realistic in retrospect, just based on the fact that only a few nations managed to achieve it, and the ones who did are islands, or are not very densely populated. We could have done a lot better than we did, but I'm not sure it was realistic to think we could have done better than Germany. |
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I agree, contact tracing would have been feasible had we acted in Feb when we had plenty of warning.
It was not exclusively in China, it had reached the EU and adjacent countries by then. I can attest to our local public health (part of the CDC) not only being caught unaware, they had to be embarrassed by family members of the Life Care Center nursing home holding a press conference before they acted to interrupt the spread there. ED docs receiving the patients from that home only found the COVID outbreak there because they refused to follow interim CDC guidelines that they didn't need to test anyone without an exposure history. Even after the outbreak was identified, help was promised several times that never materialized. And proper contact tracing was not done on the first patient, a man who showed up at the Everett hospital, who had arrived from Wuhan. He did fit the criteria. But our state has strangled public health abilities through funding cuts (for which the GOP state senators were responsible for) So no one went looking for anyone he had exposed before he was admitted to the hospital. We get regular notices if a person with measles has been on an airplane but no one thought to even do that much for COVID. Lo and behold another patient turned up on a flu screening. When it wasn't flu they tested for COVID. At that point a genomic analysis found all three were related, the Everett patient, all the nursing home patients and the random guy across town with an infection that wasn't flu. It was at that point the virus was thought to be too widespread for contact tracing. I suspect that would have been different had we been prepared with sufficient testing supplies. To connect the guy across town to the Everett patient (40+ miles away) the virus had to have been transmitted by asymptomatic persons and because of the speed of spread it was very likely airborne. With additional evidence confirming this, it was pretty clear airborne and asymptomatic spread was indeed occurring. When was it the CDC interim guidelines were updated to recognize those two facts? Months after the science was there. ![]() Fauci made excuses for why he ignored the science. I don't buy it. He was reluctant because he tried to compromise with Trump's politics. He has since made amends with the excuses and essentially cutting ties with Trump. But I don't believe his excuses. I don't believe he was staying as current with the facts as he should have been. |
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What state are you in? Have public health services been cut time and time again in your state?
I have first hand knowledge that our state public health, with Trump being responsible to a large degree, could have done much better had they been properly funded over the last 2 decades and had Trump not ignored the problem. If our CDC had taken the world leadership role it was well known for in the past, even Germany could have done better. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Dr. Scott Atlas has resigned. I doubt his presence will be missed.
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Penultimate Amazing
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Today Governor Andrew Cuomo released a five point plan for controlling the surge in Covid-19 cases in New York State. Cuomo said any renewed shutdown -- non-essential businesses closed, stay-at-home orders issued -- will depend on the availability of hospital beds. Cuomo warned that the holiday season is sure to cause an uptick in new cases which are already increasing, and increasing dramatically.
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New York stayed on lockdown from March through early June. We got good results. The lockdown wasn't ended until the state's regions hit certain targets. Most important was x number of days with case numbers in decline. This was as recommended by the White House guidelines, though trump played partisan politics and failed to enforce or even talk about these guidelines. Compare New York's results with Arizona. Arizona began to reopen BEFORE cases were in decline, reopening after they'd leveled off. Look at the results that produced. It was an extra month but it made a h-u-g-e difference. |
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I lost an avatar bet.
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I’m not a lawyer. I just poke around the internet.
The standard for gross negligence is having absolutely no concern at all for the victims. If a defendant can show there was at least a little concern, then it is not gross negligence. I think President Chucklehead meets the standard. I don’t think he has ever cared about the people who, from Trump’s perspective, can be labeled the nameless unwashed masses. |
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We passed 11 million cases on November 13th, 12 million on November 19th and 13 million cases on November 25th. We're going to pass 14 million cases sometime today, probably this afternoon.
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trump retweeting covid conspiracy threads about empty hospitals in Nevada.
Trump Tweeted Fake election results in Nevada, also! Quote Tweet NetworkinVegas.com @Networkinvegas Here is the fake Nevada parking garage hospital picture that our moron governor tweeted, proving it’s all a scam. No patients, folded up beds, wrapped up equipment that’s never been used! They spent millions on this scam and never seen a single patient in this fake hospital! Picture in link https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...71177005867008 |
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The Biden transition team is using a lot of phrases like "open and safe", "strong economic jumpstart" and "delivering relief."
So still marching in the exact opposite direction needed, but wrapped up in a lot more irrepressible optimism. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Unfortunately for presidential candidates, after they win the election, they have to actually govern. As a candidate, you can promise anything, but as a President, you can't deliver. I just hope that they listen to scientists instead of imposing their own judgements. That would be a step up. Sadly, even after getting rid of Trump, there aren't any miracle cures.
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