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Old 30th November 2020, 10:33 AM   #3521
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Trump Tweets

@OANN WOW, total election corruption in Arizona. Hearing on now! Why isn’t

Trump legal team in Arizona and on @OANN now. Big “stuff”. Enjoy!
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Old 30th November 2020, 10:34 AM   #3522
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Latest batch goes more than 3 to 1 Biden over Trump. NY doesn't seem to like its favorite son.

Biden: 80,301,585

Trump:73,978,678

Difference:6,322,907
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Old 30th November 2020, 10:51 AM   #3523
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
Probably not.
More to the point, it fairly certainly doesn't matter either way when the actual point is to keep trying to create and feed outrage and greivance.
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Old 30th November 2020, 11:11 AM   #3524
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Another election lawsuit rejected by Pennsylvania today. This one attempted to invalidate all no excuse mail in votes. About 2.7 million votes. This was the 12th Election lawsuit brought on behalf of Donald Trump in the State of Pennsylvania.

No excuse mail in ballots were created through bipartisan legislation more than a year ago. This was before the pandemic. The Trump legal team says they will appeal to SCOTUS.
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Old 30th November 2020, 11:19 AM   #3525
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

@OANN WOW, total election corruption in Arizona. Hearing on now! Why isn’t

Trump legal team in Arizona and on @OANN now. Big “stuff”. Enjoy!
The "hearing" was, of course, a Republicans-only press conference in a hotel.
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Old 30th November 2020, 11:20 AM   #3526
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AZ just finished certifying the election.
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Old 30th November 2020, 11:25 AM   #3527
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
The "hearing" was, of course, a Republicans-only press conference in a hotel.
Meanwhile at the State House, the Governor of Arizona just certified the 2020 election results. This happened 3 minutes ago.
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Old 30th November 2020, 11:37 AM   #3528
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

@OANN WOW, total election corruption in Arizona. Hearing on now! Why isn’t

Trump legal team in Arizona and on @OANN now. Big “stuff”. Enjoy!
Is he asking why HIS people are not doing --- stuff? Is he the boss, or what?

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Old 30th November 2020, 12:20 PM   #3529
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Is he asking why HIS people are not doing --- stuff? Is he the boss, or what?

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Old 30th November 2020, 12:33 PM   #3530
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
It's all Rudy's fault for bringing cold coffee.
Wait a minute! Does cold coffee = cofeve?
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Old 30th November 2020, 12:36 PM   #3531
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He’s just not very good at this.
FTFY.

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Old 30th November 2020, 12:44 PM   #3532
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This is interesting. Trump is doing worse in Manhattan then he did in the Bronx. Crushed in both however.
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Old 30th November 2020, 12:49 PM   #3533
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
This is interesting. Trump is doing worse in Manhattan then he did in the Bronx. Crushed in both however.
To know him is to love him, I guess.
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Old 30th November 2020, 12:51 PM   #3534
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Donny is not just a bad loser, he's a ******* awful winner. He whined continuously about the 2016 election, and he won that one by "a landslide". Even his catch-cry of "You're fired!" is a whine about some employee.

Just face it. Donny's motivation to get out of his stinking, orange-stained cess of a bed every day is the fresh opportunity to whine about something. Anything, even if it is the same old horse-**** that he whined about yesterday which has been thoroughly debunked three ways from Sunday in Technicolor all the way through to Christmas 2030. So even if he got everything he wanted, which he has so far in his life, he would still find a reason to whine. He is an Olympian-level ******* whiner. he could whine for the USA and become world-champion.

So now that he is getting nothing he wanted, guess what he is going to do.

Yep, you got it.
At his very core, Trump sees himself as a victim. He's a victim when he loses and even when he wins. If he wins, he should have won even bigger if not for something or someone working against him. That's why he's so paranoid.
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Old 30th November 2020, 12:52 PM   #3535
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
This is interesting. Trump is doing worse in Manhattan then he did in the Bronx. Crushed in both however.
It’s not really a surprise. They really never liked him in NYC. He was an amusing dancing monkey on the media from time to time but his stuff was always garish and he was just plain annoying to them. The only city that probably dislikes him more would be Atlantic City.
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Old 30th November 2020, 01:15 PM   #3536
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This election seems to prove the following maxim,

Quote:
"If you can convince the lowest white man that he is better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket.

Hell, if you give him someone to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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Old 30th November 2020, 01:44 PM   #3537
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

@OANN WOW, total election corruption in Arizona. Hearing on now! Why isn’t

Trump legal team in Arizona and on @OANN now. Big “stuff”. Enjoy!
Hearing? RIGTH, more like a fan boy convention. I wonder how many showed up cosplaying Roger Stone?
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Old 30th November 2020, 01:50 PM   #3538
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Are the Trumpanzees much quieter than prior to the election or am I just imagining it? Shouldn't they be all up in arms about how this election was stolen?
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:01 PM   #3539
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Since before the 2016 election, no one in the Trump entourage has leaked more self serving stuff than Jared and Ivanka.
Five years on, and the US media still give them cover as "sources" or "person who spoke on the condition of anonymity", when they leak about themselves.
Are you suggesting the intervention didn't happen?

Or that Ivanka isn't the only person who has influence over her father?
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:03 PM   #3540
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Calling a repeat election would (a) imply an admission that they were, and (b) leave him able to claim that both were rigged.

It's not going to happen - apart from anything else the Constitution wouldn't allow it - but doing anything other than following the correct procedure at this point is giving in to Trump's tantrums. Any parent of an unruly toddler should know that's a bad idea.

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Old 30th November 2020, 02:05 PM   #3541
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Sure.

My point is that REPUBLICANS, first and foremost McConnell, would never allow a second election to happen, because most likely they would do worse.
By calling the bluff, Democrats might be able to turn the ire of the Trump crowd against the GOP instead.
Yeah... no.
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:05 PM   #3542
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Advice to Rudy Giuliani

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"Avoid hair dye, whining and lying."


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Old 30th November 2020, 02:07 PM   #3543
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No, I'm basing it on their desperation to find any path forward that keeps their Savior in power.
And, yet another election is going to help this how?
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:08 PM   #3544
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There's a concept in compromise that you can't/shouldn't compromise with the insane because they will just move further away from sanity and demand you compromise with that.

It's same with post-fact people.
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:08 PM   #3545
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Trump Retweeted

TRUMP IS STILL OUR PRESIDENT@9NEWSNANCY
“@RandPaul wants an explanation on WHY Trump's "defeat" happened in FOUR DATA DUMPS between 1:34 am & 6:31 am.
We all know Trump won this election.
If we don’t fight for truth here — we will FOREVER get evil by default.
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:16 PM   #3546
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Retweeted

TRUMP IS STILL OUR PRESIDENT@9NEWSNANCY
“@RandPaul wants an explanation on WHY Trump's "defeat" happened in FOUR DATA DUMPS between 1:34 am & 6:31 am.
Because that's when the votes arrived and/or were counted. Right?

What am I missing?

What time were the data dumps supposed to happen?
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:16 PM   #3547
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At his very core, Trump sees himself as a victim. He's a victim when he loses and even when he wins. If he wins, he should have won even bigger if not for something or someone working against him. That's why he's so paranoid.
It caused him pain that Hillary won the popular vote and more people went to Obama's inauguration. Trump believed (still does) that he is so special his election should have been a worldwide event. He always uses a version of this language: the best anyone has ever seen.
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:18 PM   #3548
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Are the Trumpanzees much quieter than prior to the election or am I just imagining it? Shouldn't they be all up in arms about how this election was stolen?
I believe that enthusiasm has faded by attrition. Had there actually been any evidence I'm sure they'd still be excited.

As the curtain is pulled back further and further, more and more people see the con revealed.

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It caused him pain that Hillary won the popular vote and more people went to Obama's inauguration. Trump believed (still does) that he is so special his election should have been a worldwide event. He always uses a version of this language: the best anyone has ever seen.
He's still a scared and lonely little child desperately seeking attention from any adult in the room. It is the only pang of sympathy I have for him.
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:27 PM   #3550
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Are you suggesting the intervention didn't happen?

Or that Ivanka isn't the only person who has influence over her father?
No way for us to know if and how Ivanka intervened.

What I'm suggesting is that the Kushners have been playing the journalists feeding on "access" for years.

In the early days of the Trump admin, when I was still sometimes watching parts of Morning Joe, you could hear Scarborough channelling Jared.

Each time Trump did something disgusting ( happened a lot), there inevitably was an article ( often in the NYT), telling how, according to sources, Ivanka was trying to mollify Trump.
There is no publicly available evidence that Ivanka was a moderating force in the WH, only anonymous sources claiming she was.

I do suggest (although I obviously can't prove it, as I'm not, say, Maggie Haberman) that those anonymous sources were mostly Jared and Ivanka.
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:35 PM   #3551
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Wisconsin officially certifies election for Joe Biden

That's it.

All 6 key battleground states where Trump needed to win 3 have all certified the election for Joe Biden.
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I like this article:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

A Republican congressman from Michigan who decided to not run for reelection this time responded to a Trump tweet about election fraud, and ended his response tweet with #stopthestupid.

It's a pity that more Republican officials can't bring themselves to say that, even if not in such forceful terms. How about maybe, just maybe, some nice statement of, "It's time to accept the judgement of the people."

(It was hard to type that example sentence without including "moron", or, uhhh, something that the autocensor would just bleep out.)
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I like this article:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

A Republican congressman from Michigan who decided to not run for reelection this time responded to a Trump tweet about election fraud, and ended his response tweet with #stopthestupid.

It's a pity that more Republican officials can't bring themselves to say that, even if not in such forceful terms. How about maybe, just maybe, some nice statement of, "It's time to accept the judgement of the people."

(It was hard to type that example sentence without including "moron", or, uhhh, something that the autocensor would just bleep out.)
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Old 30th November 2020, 02:46 PM   #3554
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That's it.

All 6 key battleground states where Trump needed to win 3 have all certified the election for Joe Biden.
Wisconsin certification makes my day complete. I might as well start drinking.

Now there's 8 December and 14 December to look forward to.
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This election was a failure for Democrats in every way except the fact that Trump lost... little blue dents in the red wave.

... the people have made an unmistakable statement that they do not see the Democrats as offering what they want; the overall result is a thorough repudiation of Trump individually, and of democrats generally. And most Democrats are continuing to pay no attention to that fact.
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What, specifically, do you suggest the Dems do about this, starting with Biden?
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Identify, and fight for, policy positions which are popular and easy for the Democrats to put their stamp on in contrast with Republican positions on the same issues.

It might sound obvious, as in "Well of course that's what political parties do because that's what politics is about", but it's not what most Democrats have been doing. How often have you seen & heard any of them pushing a message of exactly what they want the government to do and why they want it to do that? (And of the little sliver of samples of that, how often was the message clear, clearly different from the Republicans', and clearly on the side of what the people want?)

And this includes not just choosing which policies to push, but even the basic concept of choosing to spend their time in public view pushing policies at all, instead of distractions like "identity politics" and insult-competitions, which don't draw votes in their direction because they don't tell voters what they would have the government actually do about issues.
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Which is exactly what McGovern did in 1972. You think the environment is better for sober policy discussion now?
Yes, but also, "sober discussion" isn't even the only way to focus on issues & policies and contrast yourself with the other party. Short slogans & sound bites can and should a draw clear distinction with the other party on issues & policies too.

Back when this idea of the Democrats needing to live in hiding and never dare mention a policy that might actually help the people began, the narrative was entirely controlled by just a few news entities which always agreed with each other on things like being scared of the Commies. But now, there are more information sources available, so people can find perspectives that the few big gatekeepers who were around back then can't control, both bad and good. Nobody's scared of the Commies anymore.

One sign that the environment is better for campaigning on policies now is the fact that the word "socialist" doesn't even have a negative effect on one's public image anymore. But that's been found not only by surveys but also by election campaigns & results; focus on policies & issues has been the single most accurate predictor of electoral success. In the last few rounds of elections, since a bit more of the talk in the news has been about progressives coming out of the closet and campaigning on issues & policies, Democrats who campaigned on a policy message won, and those who lost were those who had no particular policy message. The strategy of avoidance and trying to blend in with the Republicans and be unnoticed, which had its death-grip on the party for decades before, is how they lost hundreds & hundreds & hundreds of seats all over the country just since Obama's time alone.

On top of that, although the latter (those who lost) were quick to dishonestly blame the former (those who won) for their losses, the types of Republican campaigns & ads that were actually run against them show the reality of how their Republican opponents beat them. The successful Republicans didn't equate these losing Democrats with other further-left Democrat who won, or touch "socialism", or touch popular left-wing policy positions that these Democrats weren't even running on anyway, or even touch "defund the police". The successful Republicans were the ones who depicted their Democrat opponents as exactly the opposite of the left-wing hippie Democrat who wants the government to do too much good for the people: the rich corrupt bribed corporate elitist Democrat who's only in it for the money for himself/herself. Republican ads on other stuff like "socialist" and "defund the police", which most Democrats were so scared of, not only were rare but also weren't even effective when tried.

And, of course, the only two Democrats who've won the Presidency since the 1980s without a deranged & drugged-up orangutan for an opponent ran on campaigns about how much they were going to "change" everything and how much more the government should do for its people, while all the Democrat candidates in the same period who ran the allegedly "safe" way, promising to do nothing in particular except keep the Republicans happy, invariably lost.

For this most recent election, all you needed to do to predict what would happen was look at the two parties' national conventions. The Republicans talked about all the nifty Republican stuff they had (supposedly) done or wanted to do. The Democrats didn't mention ever actually doing anything. The closest they got was implication by way of who was and wasn't included in the show, and that not only failed to draw a distinction from Republicans but even actually favored Republicans over the badwrongevil (might disrupt our corrupt gravy train) side of their own party. As I said at the time, one party was trying to win by giving voters a reason to vote for them, and the other was trying to lose by making sure there was nothing positive about them to want to vote for. Well, now that the results are in for this election overall, it's clear that, outside of the Presidency, they both succeeded.

Republicans mostly go with what works and avoid what doesn't, because they campaign to win. Most Democrats don't, and as long as that remains the case (starting with denying that elections have been coming out the way they've been coming out), they'll continue getting results that look like it.

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Wisconsin certification makes my day complete. I might as well start drinking.

Now there's 8 December and 14 December to look forward to.
Yep, Safe Harbor and the Electoral College vote.
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He's still a scared and lonely little child desperately seeking attention from any adult in the room. It is the only pang of sympathy I have for him.
I lost all sympathy for the SOB a long time ago.
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That's it.

All 6 key battleground states where Trump needed to win 3 have all certified the election for Joe Biden.
And now the attention of the Bsdger state will focus on if the Packers can make the playoffs...
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It’s not really a surprise. They really never liked him in NYC. He was an amusing dancing monkey on the media from time to time but his stuff was always garish and he was just plain annoying to them. The only city that probably dislikes him more would be Atlantic City.
Nobody in NYC Liked Trump;people who did business with him least of all.
People do not get that Trump's reputation in the New York BUsiness world has been terrible for a long,long time. He always screws over his business partners. That is why he has to get overseas money;nobody in the US will fund him.
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No way for us to know if and how Ivanka intervened.
Yeah we do.

The intervention was reported by a source MSNBC deemed credible. Ivanka has been known to influence 'daddy'.


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... There is no publicly available evidence that Ivanka was a moderating force in the WH, only anonymous sources claiming she was....
Don't know don't care who the reliable source was. Other people were in the room including Hope Hicks.

But as for the public evidence, Trump has a long history, his life is on public display.

NBC Insiders Describe ‘Nightmare’ of Working with Donald Trump on ‘The Apprentice’

There is a ton of this stuff out there. In particular there is Noel Casler who has ignored his NDA to speak out.

This is the 30 minute version. I listened to an hour+ long podcast interviewing this guy.

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Ignoring the stuff about Trump's issues with incontinence, fact checking this guy panned out that he is telling the truth.
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