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Old 28th November 2020, 04:32 PM   #2281
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Never fear, Brits, after Jan 1 you will have a whole new range of Champagne options open to you!
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Old 29th November 2020, 07:27 AM   #2282
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Never fear, Brits, after Jan 1 you will have a whole new range of Champagne options open to you!
The ultimate present for the sophisticated chav this Christmas.
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Old 29th November 2020, 07:51 AM   #2283
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"For it to be called champagne, it has to come from the Champagne region of France .... and this is Ale".
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Old 29th November 2020, 12:33 PM   #2284
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
"For it to be called champagne, it has to come from the Champagne region of France .... and this is Ale".
Unless there's a no-deal in which case any fizzy wine will be called Champagne - though the pain will be real
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Old 29th November 2020, 07:06 PM   #2285
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
"For it to be called champagne, it has to come from the Champagne region of France .... and this is Ale".
It wouldn't qualify as Ale!
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Unless there's a no-deal in which case any fizzy wine will be called Champagne - though the pain will be real
Exactly. Welcome to America, our British cousins!

Irrelevant story time.
In 1971-72, I was in the US Army stationed at a place in the sticks of South Korea. If funds were getting low, we'd go out to the village and buy some Oscar Champagne. It was pink. It was fizzy. It was sweet. It may have even contained some alcohol. Best of all, it cost 100 won. Which, at the time, was 25 cents. For a one liter bottle, which had formerly contained one of the two main beers of the country.
It was so highly carbonated that shaking it up and seeing how far you could propel the cork was an interesting game.
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Old 30th November 2020, 11:39 AM   #2286
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Someone on twitter just pointed out this tweet by Boris from 2016, it hasn't aged well.

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Vienna Treaty protects rights of UK residents in France and elsewhere in EU! Brexit will make no difference #VoteLeave #InOrOut
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Old 30th November 2020, 01:06 PM   #2287
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Was ordering a dishwasher for our new kitchen. They're on backorder and due to arrive mid-January. I doubt they'll turn up on time so I'll have to find a plan B
Isn't plan B for dishes usually child labor?
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Old 30th November 2020, 03:02 PM   #2288
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Isn't plan B for dishes usually child labor?

In our household plan A is usually me.
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Old 30th November 2020, 03:59 PM   #2289
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Daily Mail saying how UK Expats are furious at the 'new' EU 90 day limit on visits to holiday homes.
Maybe they should be furious with Gove and Boris for telling them that Brexit wouldn't have any effect on their residency rights.
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Old 30th November 2020, 04:28 PM   #2290
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
In 1971-72, I was in the US Army stationed at a place in the sticks of South Korea. If funds were getting low, we'd go out to the village and buy some Oscar Champagne. It was pink. It was fizzy. It was sweet. It may have even contained some alcohol.
Off Topic.
I hope your name isn't "Laura", because she posted this on Yahoo answers.


"IF IT IS REAL OSCAR FROM KOREA THE PEACH CHAMPAGNE HAS OPIUM IN IT TO GIVE YOU THE REAL HIGH FLYING EXPERIANCE. BELIEVE ME I WAS IN THE MILITARY AND CAME UP POSTITIVE FOR IT ON THE URINE TEST. THANK GOD OPIUM WAS LEGAL IN KOREA CAUSE I DIDNT KNOW OSCAR HAD IT IN IT. I HAD JUST GOT INTO THE COUNTRY."

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/questio...0102820AA4qmQa

(It's obviously those evil North Koreans, spiking drinks to weaken USA military preparedness .)
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Old 1st December 2020, 04:14 AM   #2291
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Daily Mail saying how UK Expats are furious at the 'new' EU 90 day limit on visits to holiday homes.
Maybe they should be furious with Gove and Boris for telling them that Brexit wouldn't have any effect on their residency rights.
Usual DAILY MAIL trolling of its readers. The original source of the story were some Brits living abroad in the EU expressing frustration at what will happen after 1 Jan 2021. These were people with EU partners and often children born in the EU. Some had teenage children at university in the UK, or elderly parents. They were expressing the worry of the stress of how they were going to manage should they need to return to care for an elderly parent or if they brought their partner or EU kids to the UK. The mischievous DM turned it into a story of 'Brexiteers who voted Leave now want to return home!'

They changed it into one of resident Brits (who thus, do NOT qualify as 'expats') who merely like to go to Spain or Greece or wherever X months per year. Yes, that is a big problem but persons resident abroad did not have a vote so did not vote leave or remain. So now people with genuine concerns are being ruthlessly mocked as stupid gammon selfish Brexiteers who stole FOM from the young and who voted leave with not a clue of what they were voting for. HAHA Silly Brexiteers!
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Old 1st December 2020, 04:30 AM   #2292
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Shows why Gove is so effective.
He didn’t say nothing would change for UK citizens who want to retire or work in Europe.
He said if you’re ‘legally and ordinarily resident’
Clever phrasing
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Old 1st December 2020, 04:59 AM   #2293
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Looks like we're careering towards the precipice full throttle

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With a month to go until the end of the post-Brexit transition period, there's still no clarity about exactly how the UK's borders will operate outside the EU's economic zone - the single market and the customs union.

The government says "huge advances" have been made in its preparations, but businesses that trade across the border are extremely concerned.

Duncan Buchanan, the policy director of the Road Haulage Association, says he is expecting something "between shocking and a catastrophe".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55134903

It's been said many, many times that it's really difficult to prepare for something if you have no idea what to prepare for and the systems and procedures aren't in place.

Now, remember that part of the rationale for leaving the EU was to rid ourselves of red tape:

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"This is the biggest imposition of red tape that businesses have had to deal with in 50 years," says William Bain from the British Retail Consortium.
But it's OK, the government are simply going to abandon all control - gaining control of our borders by abdicating control

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The government hopes the delay in imposing most import controls will help limit disruption.
Guess what ? The government have completely underestimated the scale and complexity of the challenge:

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Drivers of lorries weighing more than 7.5 tonnes will also need to acquire a Kent Access Permit before they enter the county. They will have to show that they have all the paperwork they need to ferry goods to Europe.

But that doesn't deal with the challenge of the thousands of vans that cross the Channel every week. It's not clear how well prepared they are for a new import-export system.

"What has been serially misunderstood by various parts of government is the scale of the complexity for people on the ground dealing with the paperwork," says Duncan Buchanan.
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Old 1st December 2020, 05:24 AM   #2294
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Daily Mail saying how UK Expats are furious at the 'new' EU 90 day limit on visits to holiday homes.
Maybe they should be furious with Gove and Boris for telling them that Brexit wouldn't have any effect on their residency rights.
As an ex resident of Greece I follow a 'British in Greece' Facebook group and many of its denizens are frantically scrambling to secure residency permits, often through pretty dodgy means. Refusing to believe a single thing that Johnson and his crooks cronies promised was one of our reasons for leaving.
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Old 1st December 2020, 10:58 AM   #2295
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There are no new rules, they are the same ones that apply to all non EU countries which the U.K will become.
How do those that voted for Brexit not know this by now? it has been pointed out many times over the last few years.
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Old 1st December 2020, 11:28 AM   #2296
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
There are no new rules, they are the same ones that apply to all non EU countries which the U.K will become.
How do those that voted for Brexit not know this by now? it has been pointed out many times over the last few years.
Well, yeah, but if you get your news from The Mail ...
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Old 1st December 2020, 01:32 PM   #2297
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Daily Mail saying how UK Expats are furious at the 'new' EU 90 day limit on visits to holiday homes.
Maybe they should be furious with Gove and Boris for telling them that Brexit wouldn't have any effect on their residency rights.
And if they decide to sell their holiday home they could find that they are paying an extra 36.2% tax on the profit:

Originally Posted by Pete Timmins
French tax authorities have confirmed that UK residents, who own 2nd homes in France, will no longer benefit from EU exemption from social levies (CSG & CRDS). As a result a 36.2% total tax levy will be applied on profits when they sell houses
https://twitter.com/petertimmins3/st...02200573485057

I couldn't find the source for this so it may not be accurate.
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Yet another indication that January is likely to be an absolute ****-fest. This time from a cross-party group of MPs.

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A group of MPs have warned of the "risk of serious disruption and delay" at Channel crossings when the Brexit transition period ends on 31 December.

The Commons Public Accounts Committee said the government was "taking limited responsibility" for national readiness ahead of the looming deadline.

And it said the necessary systems would not be in place in time, regardless of whether an EU trade deal is agreed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55151333

The government OTOH are deploying weasel words to avoid the truth:

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A government spokeswoman said they were "making significant preparations".

They added it was "vital that businesses and citizens make their final preparations too", and they were "intensifying our engagement... so they know exactly what they need to do to get ready."
Note that the preparations are "significant", not adequate and that the government are shifting the blame to individuals and companies

How can we make preparations when we still have no idea what we have to do.
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Less than a month to go. Amazing.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 05:41 AM   #2300
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Less than a month to go. Amazing.
At least a week of which is non-working time for a lot of businesses.
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At least a week of which is non-working time for a lot of businesses.
Probably more like 2 as not much going to get done the week beginning the 21st.

So effectively the country probably has 16 days to prepare for a not quite known situation
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have they drained the lorry park yet?
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The original 'absolute deadline' as I recall was supposedly 15 October 2020.

As any 'deal' has to be signed off and voted on in time for the EU convention 12 December (IIRC) that leaves precisely ten days by my reckoning.
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Probably more like 2 as not much going to get done the week beginning the 21st.

So effectively the country probably has 16 days to prepare for a not quite known situation
How very irresponsible of businesses owners if we to fail to prepare adequately

Especially in light of how thoroughly the government has put everything in place for us.
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It is not correct to say there are no anomalies in the rules for expat Brits abroad or for resident Brits travelling abroad several months a year, whether or not they have a second home. At the moment, with freedom of movement, there is unlimited time abroad in the EU. Tax rules (cf HMRC) is that to be a 'resident Brit' you may only spend 180 days abroad (or was it 181) but anyway, six months. Similar rules apply across the EU although there may be some variation between states.

After 31 Dec 2020: EU citizens still in the UK can still stay for a continuous six months, or 180 days, without penalty. Brits abroad may only stay for 90 days in any six-moth period.

This should make people angry, not mocking expats in the EU with or without a second home. As an expat I find this extraordinary and inequitable. It is incredible that nothing has been done about it by the supposed 'government'.

I also have no idea what will happen regarding health care. I have not received the letter Dominic Rabb claims he sent out the other week to all expats.
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It is not correct to say there are no anomalies in the rules for expat Brits abroad or for resident Brits travelling abroad several months a year, whether or not they have a second home. At the moment, with freedom of movement, there is unlimited time abroad in the EU. Tax rules (cf HMRC) is that to be a 'resident Brit' you may only spend 180 days abroad (or was it 181) but anyway, six months. Similar rules apply across the EU although there may be some variation between states.

After 31 Dec 2020: EU citizens still in the UK can still stay for a continuous six months, or 180 days, without penalty. Brits abroad may only stay for 90 days in any six-moth period.

This should make people angry, not mocking expats in the EU with or without a second home. As an expat I find this extraordinary and inequitable. It is incredible that nothing has been done about it by the supposed 'government'.

I also have no idea what will happen regarding health care. I have not received the letter Dominic Rabb claims he sent out the other week to all expats.
That means that both can stay for 180 days per year abroad, doesn't it?
Only the UKians have to go back home twice as often in a single year. Which should be good for keeping in touch with the family, I guess.
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That means that both can stay for 180 days per year abroad, doesn't it?
Only the UKians have to go back home twice as often in a single year. Which should be good for keeping in touch with the family, I guess.
There you have the inconsistency.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
It is not correct to say there are no anomalies in the rules for expat Brits abroad or for resident Brits travelling abroad several months a year, whether or not they have a second home. At the moment, with freedom of movement, there is unlimited time abroad in the EU. Tax rules (cf HMRC) is that to be a 'resident Brit' you may only spend 180 days abroad (or was it 181) but anyway, six months. Similar rules apply across the EU although there may be some variation between states.

After 31 Dec 2020: EU citizens still in the UK can still stay for a continuous six months, or 180 days, without penalty. Brits abroad may only stay for 90 days in any six-moth period.

This should make people angry, not mocking expats in the EU with or without a second home. As an expat I find this extraordinary and inequitable. It is incredible that nothing has been done about it by the supposed 'government'.
Where is the anomaly? Nothing has happened that should come as a shock. The UK becomes a 'third country' very soon, and UK citizens will be subject to the same rules as other 'third country' citizens. The time to reflect on the consequences of Brexit was a long time ago, and this was an obvious, looming consequence all through - and since - the Brexit campaign. For The Mail to suggest it's a new rule is laughable.
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It is not correct to say there are no anomalies in the rules for expat Brits abroad or for resident Brits travelling abroad several months a year, whether or not they have a second home. At the moment, with freedom of movement, there is unlimited time abroad in the EU. Tax rules (cf HMRC) is that to be a 'resident Brit' you may only spend 180 days abroad (or was it 181) but anyway, six months. Similar rules apply across the EU although there may be some variation between states.

After 31 Dec 2020: EU citizens still in the UK can still stay for a continuous six months, or 180 days, without penalty. Brits abroad may only stay for 90 days in any six-moth period.

This should make people angry, not mocking expats in the EU with or without a second home. As an expat I find this extraordinary and inequitable. It is incredible that nothing has been done about it by the supposed 'government'.
The whole "point" of Brexit is that it allows the UK to have different standards than the EU. As such, laws can and will diverge, that was the whole point all along. There is nothing "unfair" about it, indeed I think it would be worse for the EU to have different standards based on where travelers are coming from.

The other possibility, and the one Brexiters seems to think would happen would be that the EU would suddenly start copying the whatever the UK does, which is silly.

Originally Posted by Vixen View Post

I also have no idea what will happen regarding health care. I have not received the letter Dominic Rabb claims he sent out the other week to all expats.
When I travel within Canada there are reciprocal agreements in place that allow me to use the healthcare systems in other provinces just like I was at home. When I travel anywhere outside the country I either need to buy my own insurance or pay the bill out of my own pocket if I end up needing care.


Since there is no time for the UK to come to any such agreement with the EU, I imagine you are facing the second option. There is a third possibility, that the UK government covers any healthcare related costs while you are abroad, but that doesn't seem like something a Conservative government would be interested in.
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That means that both can stay for 180 days per year abroad, doesn't it?
Only the UKians have to go back home twice as often in a single year. Which should be good for keeping in touch with the family, I guess.
Don't compare the way UK citizens are treated in the EU vs the way EU citizens are treated in the UK.

The correct comparison is between the way the EU treats UK citizens and those from the ROW or
How the UK treats EU citizens and those from the ROW.

Remember that a major aim of brexit was to depart from EU rules. We are now free to impose worse conditions on our subjects than the EU allowed. Hurrah for Sovereignty.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55151333

The government OTOH are deploying weasel words to avoid the truth:

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A government spokeswoman said they were "making significant preparations".

They added it was "vital that businesses and citizens make their final preparations too", and they were "intensifying our engagement... so they know exactly what they need to do to get ready."
Note that the preparations are "significant", not adequate and that the government are shifting the blame to individuals and companies

How can we make preparations when we still have no idea what we have to do.

They know exactly what they need to do: move their businesses to somewhere that is still in the EU.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
There you have the inconsistency.
I don’t see the problem.
The UK wanted things different for them, so that is now achieved.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 04:04 PM   #2313
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According to Michael Fabricant (Tory MP, Lichfield) says
"The world fears a resurgent, Global Britain".
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Old 2nd December 2020, 05:59 PM   #2314
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
According to Michael Fabricant (Tory MP, Lichfield) says
"The world fears a resurgent, Global Britain".

Did he say which world?
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Old 2nd December 2020, 10:23 PM   #2315
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
According to Michael Fabricant (Tory MP, Lichfield) says
"The world fears a resurgent, Global Britain".
I'm sure it would, but what we'll get is a failing insular Britain, so not much to fear there.
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I'm sure it would, but what we'll get is a failing insular Britain, so not much to fear there.

On the upside, vacations to there will probably cost less.

On the downside, no one will want to go.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 02:11 AM   #2317
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
On the upside, vacations to there will probably cost less.

On the downside, no one will want to go.
Especially brown people, which was the whole point all along.

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Old 3rd December 2020, 03:12 AM   #2318
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According to Michael Fabricant (Tory MP, Lichfield) says
"The world fears a resurgent, Global Britain".
They really are quite delusional.
I mean, if it were Mogg saying that then I'd say he was being mendacious, but Fabricant is a moron, so delusional it is for him.
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Where is the anomaly? Nothing has happened that should come as a shock. The UK becomes a 'third country' very soon, and UK citizens will be subject to the same rules as other 'third country' citizens. The time to reflect on the consequences of Brexit was a long time ago, and this was an obvious, looming consequence all through - and since - the Brexit campaign. For The Mail to suggest it's a new rule is laughable.
Really? You believe the DAILY MAIL when it says it's the EU fault and that holidaying Britons (who are NOT expats) and who did have a vote are hard done by?

Fact is, expats did not vote Leave or Remain - most would have voted Remain for obvious reasons (hence no doubt why they were denied a vote).

Leaving aside the DAILY TRIGGER the rules have changed for the government promised that Brits would not be treated less favourably than the EU's. They get a continuous 180 days, Brits get 90 days every six months and cannot come back before then.
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They really are quite delusional.
I mean, if it were Mogg saying that then I'd say he was being mendacious, but Fabricant is a moron, so delusional it is for him.
They think they are still in the sixth form.
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