Okay Trumpublicans, it's time to put up or shut up.

Horatius · 20th January 2017, 01:04 PM

Congratulations, Trump is finally sworn in as President. It's been a tumultuous year leading up to this, but you've finally gotten what you've been saying you wanted for the last 8 years: Republicans control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and will in short order control the Supreme Court as well.

There's literally no one who can stop you from carrying out any legislative agenda that you want.

You've spent 8 years declaring everything and everyone a "disaster". Obama was a disaster, The Iran nuclear deal is a disaster, NAFTA and other trade programs are a disaster, foreign relations are a disaster, Hillary Clinton was a disaster, the ACA is a disaster. And you've spent the months since the election rubbing everyone else's noses in how big a win you got, and how Trump is going to Make America Great Again.

Okay, fine, you won, you deserved a bit of gloating.

But now it's time to do the work.

You've been claiming for years to know the secret to how to run the US, and the rest of the world, such that it won't be a "disaster". Well, now it's time to stop with the gloating, and put your money where you mouth is. You can't blame Obama, or Hillary, or the Democrats, or the libtards, or any else, any more, because you've won it all. Success or failure now falls entirely on you, your elected officials, and your philosophy.

So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.

sunmaster14 · 20th January 2017, 01:17 PM

The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

NoahFence · 20th January 2017, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

Blaming him for what, exactly?

The Great Zaganza · 20th January 2017, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

Wrong.

You can blame him for how things are now, but Trump can change everything from day 1, as he said.
If he doesn't change things for the better, that's on him and the GOP.

Spindrift · 20th January 2017, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

Sorry, Trump said he would Make America Great. He's already picked out his 2020 slogan "Keep America Great".

So no excuses. You've got the House and Senate. Let's have at it. I expect some results.

What's first? I believe Trump promised a new trade agreement with the UK in a couple weeks. We'll give them the weekend off. I expect to see something signed, sealed and delivered by February 6th.

theprestige · 20th January 2017, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Blaming him for what, exactly?

Two things that come to mind are:

Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Causing the rise of ISIS.

Spindrift · 20th January 2017, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Two things that come to mind are:

Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Causing the rise of ISIS.

Well if the shoe fits.

Are you denying that Bush didn't sign the agreement that forced the US to pull out?
And if Bush hadn't decided he needed a war just like daddy, that ISIS wouldn't have arisen.

NoahFence · 20th January 2017, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Two things that come to mind are:

Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Causing the rise of ISIS.

Well, the first one WAS Bush's fault, as you well ~~ignore~~ know.

The SOFA was signed by Bush, and agreed to by Iraq. So you're wrong there. MASSIVE shock. Sad!

The rise of ISIS naturally followed. Or do you think if ISIS packs its bags and quits, another won't follow in its footsteps?

you sure don't disappoint.

Horatius · 20th January 2017, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

Because blaming people who aren't in office any more won't "Make America Great Again". Because you're supposed to be better than that "disaster" Obama. Because you've been saying for years that you could do a better job, and went out an won an election so you could have the chance to do that.

That's why.

lionking · 20th January 2017, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

Love to see sore winners making excuses on day one of Trump.

sunmaster14 · 20th January 2017, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Because blaming people who aren't in office any more won't "Make America Great Again". Because you're supposed to be better than that "disaster" Obama. Because you've been saying for years that you could do a better job, and went out an won an election so you could have the chance to do that.

That's why.

Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.

sunmaster14 · 20th January 2017, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Love to see sore winners making excuses on day one of Trump.

Well, I'm not sore anymore. Thankfully, my schadenboner subsided a long time ago.

Spindrift · 20th January 2017, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.

Hopefully Trump won't make the same mistake by blaming Obama.

Ziggurat · 20th January 2017, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Blaming him for what, exactly?

The debt, for example.

Denver · 20th January 2017, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

...So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.

He promised to Make America Great Again.
And people believed him.

And in four years, he will say he Made America Great Again.
And people will believe him.

Q.E.D.

dudalb · 20th January 2017, 01:52 PM

When are we going to see the more reasonable, more moderate, more presidential Trump the Trumptes have been promising forever?

dudalb · 20th January 2017, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Denver

He promised to Make America Great Again.
And people believed him.

And in four years, he will say he Made America Great Again.
And people will believe him.

Q.E.D.

One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy.

sunmaster14 · 20th January 2017, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

When are we going to see the more reasonable, more moderate, more presidential Trump the Trumptes have been promising forever?

You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that.

sunmaster14 · 20th January 2017, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy.

More hyperbole. Why am I not surprised?

Giz · 20th January 2017, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy.

That, and Brexit across the pond, certainly seemed to cause some folks to give up on "one man, one vote". Did you see the thread on plural voting?

NoahFence · 20th January 2017, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that.

He very well may.

dudalb · 20th January 2017, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Giz

That, and Brexit across the pond, certainly seemed to cause some folks to give up on "one man, one vote". Did you see the thread on plural voting?

Or how about, in the US, just eliminating the electorial College?

Horatius · 20th January 2017, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.

But that's not the issue. Blaming Bush may not have caused the "disaster", but it also clearly didn't "Make America Great Again", and neither will blaming Obama. The Trumpublicans knew what the State of the Union was all through the election, and despite that, still asserted that a vote for Trump would "Make America Great Again". So you can't use "Obama was a disaster" as an excuse for not MAGAing.

Again, you got what you wanted, now show us the money.

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

More hyperbole. Why am I not surprised?

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that.

Clearly there's very little of both shutting up and putting up to be had so far.

dudalb · 20th January 2017, 02:37 PM

I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin.

sir drinks-a-lot · 20th January 2017, 02:43 PM

Boy, this place has really come a long way.

Ron_Tomkins · 20th January 2017, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

...So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.

Not me. I won't be holding my breath, nor watching, as I know exactly how it all turns out: Things end up getting ********** real bad, and the people responsible for it, still decide to blame the Democrats. I've learned very quickly that when it comes with obtuse idiots, all logic is thrown out the window.

Toontown · 20th January 2017, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin.

You needn't have asked. They think that's great.

CapelDodger · 20th January 2017, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.

Obama didn't blame Bush. He simply completed the process Bush started, getting the US out of Iraq because that's what the American people wanted. If anything, by continuing Bush's program he was crediting him, not blaming him.

As we all know, had Obama stopped the withdrawal and continued an occupation which had already lasted five years and was never meant to happen at all, people like you would be blaming him for not getting out of Iraq.

Getting into an occupation of Iraq in the first place was unquestionably the Bush Administration's fault. That's what saw the creation and rise of ISIS.

Blaming the Bush Administration for the financial boom-and-bust of the 2000's is something Obama was quite entitled to do, of course. One dreads to think how horribly Trump would have mis-handled the situation in 2009.

CapelDodger · 20th January 2017, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin.

It's called realpolitik these days and is regarded as sophisticated.

CapelDodger · 20th January 2017, 03:13 PM

As I understand it the Trump Plan for ISIS should reveal itself very quickly.

Toontown · 20th January 2017, 03:13 PM

Well, if this thread is any indication, it doesn't look good.

I count one Obama-blamer, zero putter-uppers, and zero shutter-uppers .

Beerina · 20th January 2017, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Or how about, in the US, just eliminating the electorial College?

"You red states voted stupid! You are what's wrong with this country! Sign on to this constitutional amendment to strip power from yourselves so you can't vote stupid again and will lose to us next time, like you shamefacedly should!"

Good luck with that.

CapelDodger · 20th January 2017, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Again, you got what you wanted, now show us the money.

A little patience is called for.

Shiner · 20th January 2017, 03:16 PM

To quote a popular meme .....

This is what is wrong with this forum.

applecorped · 20th January 2017, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

you sure don't disappoint.

Neither do you congrats

bruto · 20th January 2017, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

When the Democrats were blaming Bush, did you think it was a good and right thing to do then? Most conservatives thought it a bad thing. Now it's good again?

Toontown · 20th January 2017, 03:36 PM

There is no absolute good or bad in the political mind. It all depends on motive.

CapelDodger · 20th January 2017, 03:37 PM

Apparently "From this day forward ... America will start winning again – winning like never before".

That should show up pretty quickly.

Upchurch · 20th January 2017, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

Apparently "From this day forward ... America will start winning again – winning like never before".

That should show up pretty quickly.

But not too quickly. It's Friday. Presidentin' doesn't start until Monday, right?

mgidm86 · 20th January 2017, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Congratulations, Trump is finally sworn in as President. It's been a tumultuous year leading up to this, but you've finally gotten what you've been saying you wanted for the last 8 years: Republicans control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and will in short order control the Supreme Court as well.

There's literally no one who can stop you from carrying out any legislative agenda that you want.

You've spent 8 years declaring everything and everyone a "disaster". Obama was a disaster, The Iran nuclear deal is a disaster, NAFTA and other trade programs are a disaster, foreign relations are a disaster, Hillary Clinton was a disaster, the ACA is a disaster. And you've spent the months since the election rubbing everyone else's noses in how big a win you got, and how Trump is going to Make America Great Again.

Okay, fine, you won, you deserved a bit of gloating.

But now it's time to do the work.

You've been claiming for years to know the secret to how to run the US, and the rest of the world, such that it won't be a "disaster". Well, now it's time to stop with the gloating, and put your money where you mouth is. You can't blame Obama, or Hillary, or the Democrats, or the libtards, or any else, any more, because you've won it all. Success or failure now falls entirely on you, your elected officials, and your philosophy.

So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up.

The rest of us will be watching.

Obama had the same thing. We ended up with Trump.

I don't see anyone rubbing noses here. We don't need to, you won't stop crying. You said put up or shut up - the left didn't put up, so...

I don't gloat and I'm not exactly thrilled, but I'm hoping for the best. Hopefully the temper tantrum threads and posts will start to slow down here.

20th January 2017, 01:04 PM	#1
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Okay Trumpublicans, it's time to put up or shut up. Congratulations, Trump is finally sworn in as President. It's been a tumultuous year leading up to this, but you've finally gotten what you've been saying you wanted for the last 8 years: Republicans control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and will in short order control the Supreme Court as well. There's literally no one who can stop you from carrying out any legislative agenda that you want. You've spent 8 years declaring everything and everyone a "disaster". Obama was a disaster, The Iran nuclear deal is a disaster, NAFTA and other trade programs are a disaster, foreign relations are a disaster, Hillary Clinton was a disaster, the ACA is a disaster. And you've spent the months since the election rubbing everyone else's noses in how big a win you got, and how Trump is going to Make America Great Again. Okay, fine, you won, you deserved a bit of gloating. But now it's time to do the work. You've been claiming for years to know the secret to how to run the US, and the rest of the world, such that it won't be a "disaster". Well, now it's time to stop with the gloating, and put your money where you mouth is. You can't blame Obama, or Hillary, or the Democrats, or the libtards, or any else, any more, because you've won it all. Success or failure now falls entirely on you, your elected officials, and your philosophy. So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up. The rest of us will be watching.
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20th January 2017, 01:21 PM	#4
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,271	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things. Wrong. You can blame him for how things are now, but Trump can change everything from day 1, as he said. If he doesn't change things for the better, that's on him and the GOP.
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20th January 2017, 01:23 PM	#5
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things. Sorry, Trump said he would Make America Great. He's already picked out his 2020 slogan "Keep America Great". So no excuses. You've got the House and Senate. Let's have at it. I expect some results. What's first? I believe Trump promised a new trade agreement with the UK in a couple weeks. We'll give them the weekend off. I expect to see something signed, sealed and delivered by February 6th.
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20th January 2017, 01:27 PM	#7
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by theprestige Two things that come to mind are: Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq. Causing the rise of ISIS. Well if the shoe fits. Are you denying that Bush didn't sign the agreement that forced the US to pull out? And if Bush hadn't decided he needed a war just like daddy, that ISIS wouldn't have arisen.
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20th January 2017, 01:39 PM	#9
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things. Because blaming people who aren't in office any more won't "Make America Great Again". Because you're supposed to be better than that "disaster" Obama. Because you've been saying for years that you could do a better job, and went out an won an election so you could have the chance to do that. That's why.
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20th January 2017, 01:17 PM	#2
sunmaster14 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 10,017	The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things.

20th January 2017, 01:19 PM	#3
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things. Blaming him for what, exactly?

20th January 2017, 01:25 PM	#6
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,518	Originally Posted by NoahFence Blaming him for what, exactly? Two things that come to mind are: Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq. Causing the rise of ISIS.

20th January 2017, 01:28 PM	#8
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by theprestige Two things that come to mind are: Forcing Obama to pull US troops out of Iraq. Causing the rise of ISIS. Well, the first one WAS Bush's fault, as you well ~~ignore~~ know. The SOFA was signed by Bush, and agreed to by Iraq. So you're wrong there. MASSIVE shock. Sad! The rise of ISIS naturally followed. Or do you think if ISIS packs its bags and quits, another won't follow in its footsteps? you sure don't disappoint.

20th January 2017, 01:40 PM	#10
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,834	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things. Love to see sore winners making excuses on day one of Trump.
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20th January 2017, 01:46 PM	#11
sunmaster14 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 10,017	Originally Posted by Horatius Because blaming people who aren't in office any more won't "Make America Great Again". Because you're supposed to be better than that "disaster" Obama. Because you've been saying for years that you could do a better job, and went out an won an election so you could have the chance to do that. That's why. Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass.

20th January 2017, 01:47 PM	#12
sunmaster14 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 10,017	Originally Posted by lionking Love to see sore winners making excuses on day one of Trump. Well, I'm not sore anymore. Thankfully, my schadenboner subsided a long time ago.

20th January 2017, 01:47 PM	#13
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass. Hopefully Trump won't make the same mistake by blaming Obama.
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20th January 2017, 01:48 PM	#14
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 47,868	Originally Posted by NoahFence Blaming him for what, exactly? The debt, for example.
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20th January 2017, 01:49 PM	#15
Denver Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,015	Originally Posted by Horatius ...So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up. The rest of us will be watching. He promised to Make America Great Again. And people believed him. And in four years, he will say he Made America Great Again. And people will believe him. Q.E.D.
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20th January 2017, 01:52 PM	#16
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	When are we going to see the more reasonable, more moderate, more presidential Trump the Trumptes have been promising forever?
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20th January 2017, 01:53 PM	#17
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Originally Posted by Denver He promised to Make America Great Again. And people believed him. And in four years, he will say he Made America Great Again. And people will believe him. Q.E.D. One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy.
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20th January 2017, 01:54 PM	#18
sunmaster14 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 10,017	Originally Posted by dudalb When are we going to see the more reasonable, more moderate, more presidential Trump the Trumptes have been promising forever? You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that.

20th January 2017, 01:55 PM	#19
sunmaster14 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 10,017	Originally Posted by dudalb One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy. More hyperbole. Why am I not surprised?

20th January 2017, 02:03 PM	#20
Giz Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8,709	Originally Posted by dudalb One of the worst things happening in the wake of Trump's election is people giving up on Democracy. That, and Brexit across the pond, certainly seemed to cause some folks to give up on "one man, one vote". Did you see the thread on plural voting?
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20th January 2017, 02:03 PM	#21
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that. He very well may.

20th January 2017, 02:12 PM	#22
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Originally Posted by Giz That, and Brexit across the pond, certainly seemed to cause some folks to give up on "one man, one vote". Did you see the thread on plural voting? Or how about, in the US, just eliminating the electorial College?
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20th January 2017, 02:18 PM	#23
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass. But that's not the issue. Blaming Bush may not have caused the "disaster", but it also clearly didn't "Make America Great Again", and neither will blaming Obama. The Trumpublicans knew what the State of the Union was all through the election, and despite that, still asserted that a vote for Trump would "Make America Great Again". So you can't use "Obama was a disaster" as an excuse for not MAGAing. Again, you got what you wanted, now show us the money. Originally Posted by sunmaster14 More hyperbole. Why am I not surprised? Originally Posted by sunmaster14 You're the one who seriously thought Trump would start a nuclear war. And you compared him to Hitler many times. I think we'll see Trump act more reasonably and moderately than that. Clearly there's very little of both shutting up and putting up to be had so far.
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20th January 2017, 02:37 PM	#24
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin.
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20th January 2017, 02:43 PM	#25
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20th January 2017, 02:47 PM	#26
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 43,991	Originally Posted by Horatius ...So, like I said: it's time to put up or shut up. The rest of us will be watching. Not me. I won't be holding my breath, nor watching, as I know exactly how it all turns out: Things end up getting ********** real bad, and the people responsible for it, still decide to blame the Democrats. I've learned very quickly that when it comes with obtuse idiots, all logic is thrown out the window.
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20th January 2017, 02:50 PM	#27
Toontown Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,595	Originally Posted by dudalb I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin. You needn't have asked. They think that's great.
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20th January 2017, 03:07 PM	#28
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,943	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 Blaming Bush was not what made Obama a disaster as President. Blaming Bush just made him a jackass. Obama didn't blame Bush. He simply completed the process Bush started, getting the US out of Iraq because that's what the American people wanted. If anything, by continuing Bush's program he was crediting him, not blaming him. As we all know, had Obama stopped the withdrawal and continued an occupation which had already lasted five years and was never meant to happen at all, people like you would be blaming him for not getting out of Iraq. Getting into an occupation of Iraq in the first place was unquestionably the Bush Administration's fault. That's what saw the creation and rise of ISIS. Blaming the Bush Administration for the financial boom-and-bust of the 2000's is something Obama was quite entitled to do, of course. One dreads to think how horribly Trump would have mis-handled the situation in 2009.
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20th January 2017, 03:09 PM	#29
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,943	Originally Posted by dudalb I also wonder how our Trumpites think about his scrapping NATO and his continued worship of Vladimar Putin. It's called realpolitik these days and is regarded as sophisticated.
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20th January 2017, 03:13 PM	#30
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,943	As I understand it the Trump Plan for ISIS should reveal itself very quickly.
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20th January 2017, 03:15 PM	#32
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 30,293	Originally Posted by dudalb Or how about, in the US, just eliminating the electorial College? "You red states voted stupid! You are what's wrong with this country! Sign on to this constitutional amendment to strip power from yourselves so you can't vote stupid again and will lose to us next time, like you shamefacedly should!" Good luck with that.
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20th January 2017, 03:15 PM	#33
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,943	Originally Posted by Horatius Again, you got what you wanted, now show us the money. A little patience is called for.
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20th January 2017, 03:16 PM	#34
Shiner Motor Mouth Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,796	To quote a popular meme ..... This is what is wrong with this forum.
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20th January 2017, 03:17 PM	#35
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Originally Posted by NoahFence you sure don't disappoint. Neither do you congrats
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20th January 2017, 03:28 PM	#36
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,204	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 The Democrats are still blaming Bush. Why can't we continue to blame Obama? Obama sure made a mess of things. When the Democrats were blaming Bush, did you think it was a good and right thing to do then? Most conservatives thought it a bad thing. Now it's good again?
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