[Continuation] 2020 Presidential Election part 3 - Page 2

JoeMorgue · 8th November 2020, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

Someone is trying to make him sound reasonable, or save face, but take a look at that conditional statement.

Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice."

Errr... yeah. That's what "given no other choice" means.

"Trump won't contest the election if we don't let him" isn't news or some new angle to look at the situation from.

thaiboxerken · 8th November 2020, 04:32 PM

I wonder if Trump insisted that his aids book him at the Four Seasons no matter what. So then the hotel refused but the aid was so scared he made a venue at Four Seasons happen....

Safe-Keeper · 8th November 2020, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice."

Errr... yeah. That's what "given no other choice" means.

"Trump won't contest the election if we don't let him" isn't news or some new angle to look at the situation from.

Well, yeah, but "we'll capitulate if the Russians take Berlin" is a step back from "we are winning the war".

Regnad Kcin · 8th November 2020, 04:44 PM

To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth.

Mojo · 8th November 2020, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by commandlinegamer

Apologies for adding to the tangential posts in this thread, but could we perhaps have a new pillory

Yes, as long as Trump gets first go in it.

thaiboxerken · 8th November 2020, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth.

I wouldn't either. If she showed up at my house in lingerie, I'd turn her away. I want to prove it too. Someone ask her to do that.....

Bob001 · 8th November 2020, 04:48 PM

Anthony Scaramucci on MSNBC says all the court challenges are a last Trump scam. He'll collect donations to pay for them, but the fine print will allow him to use the money any way he wants. Scaramucci predicts Trump could raise $60 million in the next couple weeks, with no strings.

Minoosh · 8th November 2020, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice."

Errr... yeah. That's what "given no other choice" means.

"Trump won't contest the election if we don't let him" isn't news or some new angle to look at the situation from.

Some glitch is keeping me from linking to a Daily Beast story from a couple of days ago. The headline was, "Trump whines: Why isn't Barr coming to save me?" Trump whining is not news. The analysis within caught my eye though:

Quote:

One factor inhibiting Justice Department intervention is the contradictory strategies pursued by Trump and his supporters in the various states where it suits them. In Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan—states where Joe Biden either has taken a lead or where still-unreported counties are expected to favor Biden—the campaign wants the count to stop. But in Arizona, where Trump expects unreported ballots to favor him, Trump supporters have been demanding to proceed with the count.

Intervention at such a fluid time runs the risk of federal courts establishing a rule that would work to the Trump campaign’s disadvantage in a different state. Incoherent legal approaches also risk putting federal judges—as well as Trump appointees to the Supreme Court—in untenable positions that might not yield the result Trump wants

The key word there is "incoherent." I don't think there's going to be a coherent way out of this for Trump because Trump is fundamentally incoherent.

eerok · 8th November 2020, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I wouldn't either. If she showed up at my house in lingerie, I'd turn her away. I want to prove it too. Someone ask her to do that.....

Lingerie, pah. She could skip it entirely and it would only stiffen my resolve.

Delphic Oracle · 8th November 2020, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

From that link:

Someone is trying to make him sound reasonable, or save face, but take a look at that conditional statement. IF his legal challenges fail THEN he will concede and execute a peaceful transition of power. There's a fallacy there I can't quite put my finger on. IF his legal challenges fail, THEN he has no ******* leg to stand on whatsoever. The statement ... nullifies itself, is the best I can come up with. Or it's a tautology. IF he fails, then he fails. He doesn't have to concede. It's conventional, but it's not required. So why bother making a statement? He's welcome to stick to his guns, as far as I'm concerned. But the DOJ doesn't seem to be going all-in with him anymore. It never quite did, Barr's efforts notwithstanding.

ETA: L'etat, c'est ne pas Donald Trump.

In ancient/classical era, a city avoided sacking by capitulation before attempting to resist.

No such offer would be made after investment.

I see no reason to treat this any different.

:9

angrysoba · 8th November 2020, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I wonder if Trump insisted that his aids book him at the Four Seasons no matter what. So then the hotel refused but the aid was so scared he made a venue at Four Seasons happen....

If Trump has AIDS, it will be the most benign thing about him.

acbytesla · 8th November 2020, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth.

She'll be so disappointed.

Minoosh · 8th November 2020, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I wouldn't either. If she showed up at my house in lingerie, I'd turn her away. I want to prove it too. Someone ask her to do that.....

Lingerie, no, I'd want the Wonder Woman outfit - and I say that as a straight woman

Minoosh · 8th November 2020, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

In ancient/classical era, a city avoided sacking by capitulation before attempting to resist.

No such offer would be made after investment.

I see no reason to treat this any different.

:9

I don't really think anyone needs to sack Trump's inner circle, but I could be wrong. An actual strategy could emerge, I suppose, but I doubt it.

Should Biden change his conciliatory tone? From "Heal the nation" to "Concede now and I won't crush your testicles in a vise"? Or maybe he can get Kamala to say it ...

I've had reason to believe in the past that Biden has a pugnacious side.

Bob001 · 8th November 2020, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I don't really think anyone needs to sack Trump's inner circle, but I could be wrong. An actual strategy could emerge, I suppose, but I doubt it.

Should Biden change his conciliatory tone? From "Heal the nation" to "Concede now and I won't crush your testicles in a vise"? Or maybe he can get Kamala to say it ...

I've had reason to believe in the past that Biden has a pugnacious side.

What? All of Trump's inner circle are his appointees. They'll all be sacked routinely.

If Biden wants to get anything through the Repub Senate, he has to be conciliatory, and, as with Obama, it won't be enough.

acbytesla · 8th November 2020, 05:12 PM

Trumpkins never let you down with just how crazy they can be.

Marshall Arkansas police chief Lang Holland resigned after making posts on social media that repeatedly said Democrats should be killed. He claimed that the election was being stolen. and "Death to all Marxist Democrats, Take no prisoners, leave no survivors!!"

TahiniBinShawarma · 8th November 2020, 05:15 PM

Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud

“illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm

AnonyMoose · 8th November 2020, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud

“illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm

Let the games begin...

JoeMorgue · 8th November 2020, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud

“illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm

*Sighs* I little know why I am bothering but...

- There is zero evidence of illegal absentee ballots.
- No opposition observers were ejected. (The mob of angry MAGA hats and Proud Boy "Poll Watchers" don't count)
- There was a high turnout, but nowhere near suspiciously high turnout. Our turnout rate was only about 66%.
- There was no "mobile ballot box" fraud.

Just not getting the results you want isn't evidence of a shady election.

You are wrong. You are intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative. It is dangerous and irresponsible, to say nothing of both intellectually and morally cowardly, to do that.

acbytesla · 8th November 2020, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud

“illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm

So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

acbytesla · 8th November 2020, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

*Sighs* I little know why I am bothering but...

- There is zero evidence of illegal absentee ballots.
- No opposition observers were ejected. (The mob of angry MAGA hats and Proud Boy "Poll Watchers" don't count)
- There was a high turnout, but nowhere near suspiciously high turnout. Our turnout rate was only about 66%.
- There was no "mobile ballot box" fraud.

Just not getting the results you want isn't evidence of a shady election.

You are wrong. You are intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative. It is dangerous and irresponsible, to say nothing of both intellectually and morally cowardly, to do that.

Well done Joe!

JoeMorgue · 8th November 2020, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Nothing and they know it. It's pure "Here's something totally unrelated that I'm just throwing out there to poison the well."

Might as well go "Democrats used pens to mark the ballots. You know who else signed things with pens? That's right, Hitler!"

slyjoe · 8th November 2020, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Nothing and they know it. It's pure "Here's something totally unrelated that I'm just throwing out there to poison the well."

Might as well go "Democrats used pens to mark the ballots. You know who else signed things with pens? That's right, Hitler!"

Don't worry - the pen lawsuit has already been dropped in Maricopa County.

acbytesla · 8th November 2020, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Nothing and they know it. It's pure "Here's something totally unrelated that I'm just throwing out there to poison the well."

Might as well go "Democrats used pens to mark the ballots. You know who else signed things with pens? That's right, Hitler!"

It's ridiculous. About the only thing the two had in common was the use of mail in absentee ballots.

Calling the ones used in the US 2020 election "illegal" is nonsense unless it can be proven.

Let's say that some ballots in this election are not technically "legal". That doesn't mean they weren't cast with honest intent. For example, the GOP are complaining about ballots postmarked on or before election day that the USPS failed to deliver. They are calling those ballots "illegal". In other words sorry, the government didnt do its job. Your ballots are illegal. They're not arguing fraud and the results are not accurate. They simply are looking for a way to not counting votes that went against them.

Distracted1 · 8th November 2020, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I don't really think anyone needs to sack Trump's inner circle, but I could be wrong. An actual strategy could emerge, I suppose, but I doubt it.

Should Biden change his conciliatory tone? From "Heal the nation" to "Concede now and I won't crush your testicles in a vise"? Or maybe he can get Kamala to say it ...

I've had reason to believe in the past that Biden has a pugnacious side.

Will Trump yield, and this avoid? Or guilty in defense be thus destroyed?

Minoosh · 8th November 2020, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Trumpkins never let you down with just how crazy they can be.

Marshall Arkansas police chief Lang Holland resigned after making posts on social media that repeatedly said Democrats should be killed. He claimed that the election was being stolen. and "Death to all Marxist Democrats, Take no prisoners, leave no survivors!!"

Sucking up taxpayer dollars all the way of course.

Minoosh · 8th November 2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Will Trump yield, and this avoid? Or guilty in defense be thus destroyed?

I pick you to write the libretto for the opera.

May it end for Trump as it did for Don Giovanni.

Mike! · 8th November 2020, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

Some glitch is keeping me from linking to a Daily Beast story from a couple of days ago. The headline was, "Trump whines: Why isn't Barr coming to save me?" Trump whining is not news. The analysis within caught my eye though:

The key word there is "incoherent." I don't think there's going to be a coherent way out of this for Trump because Trump is fundamentally incoherent.

It's a feature not a bug.

Roger Ramjets · 8th November 2020, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

You are wrong. You are intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative. It is dangerous and irresponsible, to say nothing of both intellectually and morally cowardly, to do that.

How is he doing that?

He gave us some information on 'how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud', which presumably is factual. As to what relevance this has to the current US election or what it might mean, he did not state an opinion.

Please don't accuse other posters of 'intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative' when they just quote from a link and otherwise 'have no opinion on that'. Because it's a trap.

Checkmite · 8th November 2020, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

The key word there is "incoherent." I don't think there's going to be a coherent way out of this for Trump because Trump is fundamentally incoherent.

Trump isn't the one directing the legal strategy, though. He has requested that his campaign overturn the election result by any means they can manage, and the strategy for doing that is being developed by others.

CapelDodger · 8th November 2020, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice."

And of course Trump always will have another choice - not to accept the result - and that's the one he'll make. I don't think there's anything which could compel him to.

SezMe · 8th November 2020, 06:30 PM

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CapelDodger · 8th November 2020, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Trump isn't the one directing the legal strategy, though. He has requested that his campaign overturn the election result by any means they can manage, and the strategy for doing that is being developed by others.

And it seems the team is being put together by by the hapless Kushner and run by loony Giuliani.

SezMe · 8th November 2020, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by wareyin

It's a tapatalk post, which means it was done on a phone. Seems extremely likely that it was a pocket post.

trustbutverify · 8th November 2020, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth.

I support your choice.

Skeptic Ginger · 8th November 2020, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I wonder if Trump insisted that his aids book him at the Four Seasons no matter what. So then the hotel refused but the aid was so scared he made a venue at Four Seasons happen....

Hehehehe...

Or that staff member said OK, and relished in the task they'd been waiting years to do to the *******.

SezMe · 8th November 2020, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud

“illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm

... and?

SezMe · 8th November 2020, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

How is he doing that?

This is a thread about the 2020 election. He posted a document that could be as much as 19(!) years old. Now, one has two choices: 1) that he just randomly picked an old document to post here or 2) he is using said document to comment on the topic of this thread.

Hmmmm. It's a tough choice but I'll go with 2). In that case, he is guilty as charged.

But maybe you chose option 1.

trustbutverify · 8th November 2020, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Plan A was to win the election through a gimmick called the electoral college.

If that failed, plan B was to claim they were cheated with zero point zero evidence.

Captain_Swoop · 8th November 2020, 06:54 PM

Donald Trump Jr. tweeted
@DonaldJTrumpJr

America Won’t Trust Elections Until The Voter Fraud Is Investigated

8th November 2020, 04:31 PM	#41
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,825	Originally Posted by Minoosh Someone is trying to make him sound reasonable, or save face, but take a look at that conditional statement. Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice." Errr... yeah. That's what "given no other choice" means. "Trump won't contest the election if we don't let him" isn't news or some new angle to look at the situation from.
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8th November 2020, 04:32 PM	#42
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,690	I wonder if Trump insisted that his aids book him at the Four Seasons no matter what. So then the hotel refused but the aid was so scared he made a venue at Four Seasons happen....
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8th November 2020, 04:33 PM	#43
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,357	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice." Errr... yeah. That's what "given no other choice" means. "Trump won't contest the election if we don't let him" isn't news or some new angle to look at the situation from. Well, yeah, but "we'll capitulate if the Russians take Berlin" is a step back from "we are winning the war".
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8th November 2020, 04:44 PM	#44
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,183	To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth.
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8th November 2020, 04:44 PM	#45
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 33,562	Originally Posted by commandlinegamer Apologies for adding to the tangential posts in this thread, but could we perhaps have a new pillory Yes, as long as Trump gets first go in it.
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8th November 2020, 04:46 PM	#46
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,690	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth. I wouldn't either. If she showed up at my house in lingerie, I'd turn her away. I want to prove it too. Someone ask her to do that.....
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8th November 2020, 04:48 PM	#47
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,338	Anthony Scaramucci on MSNBC says all the court challenges are a last Trump scam. He'll collect donations to pay for them, but the fine print will allow him to use the money any way he wants. Scaramucci predicts Trump could raise $60 million in the next couple weeks, with no strings.

8th November 2020, 04:51 PM	#48
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,113	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice." Errr... yeah. That's what "given no other choice" means. "Trump won't contest the election if we don't let him" isn't news or some new angle to look at the situation from. Some glitch is keeping me from linking to a Daily Beast story from a couple of days ago. The headline was, "Trump whines: Why isn't Barr coming to save me?" Trump whining is not news. The analysis within caught my eye though: Quote: One factor inhibiting Justice Department intervention is the contradictory strategies pursued by Trump and his supporters in the various states where it suits them. In Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan—states where Joe Biden either has taken a lead or where still-unreported counties are expected to favor Biden—the campaign wants the count to stop. But in Arizona, where Trump expects unreported ballots to favor him, Trump supporters have been demanding to proceed with the count. Intervention at such a fluid time runs the risk of federal courts establishing a rule that would work to the Trump campaign’s disadvantage in a different state. Incoherent legal approaches also risk putting federal judges—as well as Trump appointees to the Supreme Court—in untenable positions that might not yield the result Trump wants The key word there is "incoherent." I don't think there's going to be a coherent way out of this for Trump because Trump is fundamentally incoherent.

8th November 2020, 04:53 PM	#49
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 3,465	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I wouldn't either. If she showed up at my house in lingerie, I'd turn her away. I want to prove it too. Someone ask her to do that..... Lingerie, pah. She could skip it entirely and it would only stiffen my resolve.
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8th November 2020, 04:55 PM	#50
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,271	Originally Posted by Minoosh From that link: Someone is trying to make him sound reasonable, or save face, but take a look at that conditional statement. IF his legal challenges fail THEN he will concede and execute a peaceful transition of power. There's a fallacy there I can't quite put my finger on. IF his legal challenges fail, THEN he has no ******* leg to stand on whatsoever. The statement ... nullifies itself, is the best I can come up with. Or it's a tautology. IF he fails, then he fails. He doesn't have to concede. It's conventional, but it's not required. So why bother making a statement? He's welcome to stick to his guns, as far as I'm concerned. But the DOJ doesn't seem to be going all-in with him anymore. It never quite did, Barr's efforts notwithstanding. ETA: L'etat, c'est ne pas Donald Trump. In ancient/classical era, a city avoided sacking by capitulation before attempting to resist. No such offer would be made after investment. I see no reason to treat this any different. :9

8th November 2020, 04:55 PM	#51
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 28,931	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I wonder if Trump insisted that his aids book him at the Four Seasons no matter what. So then the hotel refused but the aid was so scared he made a venue at Four Seasons happen.... If Trump has AIDS, it will be the most benign thing about him.
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8th November 2020, 04:56 PM	#52
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,929	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth. She'll be so disappointed.
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8th November 2020, 04:58 PM	#53
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,113	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I wouldn't either. If she showed up at my house in lingerie, I'd turn her away. I want to prove it too. Someone ask her to do that..... Lingerie, no, I'd want the Wonder Woman outfit - and I say that as a straight woman

8th November 2020, 05:05 PM	#54
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,113	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle In ancient/classical era, a city avoided sacking by capitulation before attempting to resist. No such offer would be made after investment. I see no reason to treat this any different. :9 I don't really think anyone needs to sack Trump's inner circle, but I could be wrong. An actual strategy could emerge, I suppose, but I doubt it. Should Biden change his conciliatory tone? From "Heal the nation" to "Concede now and I won't crush your testicles in a vise"? Or maybe he can get Kamala to say it ... I've had reason to believe in the past that Biden has a pugnacious side.

8th November 2020, 05:08 PM	#55
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,338	Originally Posted by Minoosh I don't really think anyone needs to sack Trump's inner circle, but I could be wrong. An actual strategy could emerge, I suppose, but I doubt it. Should Biden change his conciliatory tone? From "Heal the nation" to "Concede now and I won't crush your testicles in a vise"? Or maybe he can get Kamala to say it ... I've had reason to believe in the past that Biden has a pugnacious side. What? All of Trump's inner circle are his appointees. They'll all be sacked routinely. If Biden wants to get anything through the Repub Senate, he has to be conciliatory, and, as with Obama, it won't be enough.
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8th November 2020, 05:12 PM	#56
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,929	Trumpkins never let you down with just how crazy they can be. Marshall Arkansas police chief Lang Holland resigned after making posts on social media that repeatedly said Democrats should be killed. He claimed that the election was being stolen. and "Death to all Marxist Democrats, Take no prisoners, leave no survivors!!"
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8th November 2020, 05:15 PM	#57
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud “illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc. https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm
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8th November 2020, 05:19 PM	#58
AnonyMoose Muse Join Date: May 2018 Location: Land of the Frozen Chosen Posts: 993	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud “illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc. https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm Let the games begin...
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8th November 2020, 05:21 PM	#59
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,825	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud “illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc. https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm Sighs I little know why I am bothering but... - There is zero evidence of illegal absentee ballots. - No opposition observers were ejected. (The mob of angry MAGA hats and Proud Boy "Poll Watchers" don't count) - There was a high turnout, but nowhere near suspiciously high turnout. Our turnout rate was only about 66%. - There was no "mobile ballot box" fraud. Just not getting the results you want isn't evidence of a shady election. You are wrong. You are intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative. It is dangerous and irresponsible, to say nothing of both intellectually and morally cowardly, to do that.
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8th November 2020, 05:23 PM	#60
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,929	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Here’s how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud “illegal use of absentee ballots,” “opposition observers ejected,” “North Korean style turnout in the East” (“nearly 96 percent”), “mobile ballot box fraud,” etc. https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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8th November 2020, 05:24 PM	#61
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,929	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Sighs I little know why I am bothering but... - There is zero evidence of illegal absentee ballots. - No opposition observers were ejected. (The mob of angry MAGA hats and Proud Boy "Poll Watchers" don't count) - There was a high turnout, but nowhere near suspiciously high turnout. Our turnout rate was only about 66%. - There was no "mobile ballot box" fraud. Just not getting the results you want isn't evidence of a shady election. You are wrong. You are intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative. It is dangerous and irresponsible, to say nothing of both intellectually and morally cowardly, to do that. Well done Joe!
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8th November 2020, 05:24 PM	#62
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,825	Originally Posted by acbytesla So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Nothing and they know it. It's pure "Here's something totally unrelated that I'm just throwing out there to poison the well." Might as well go "Democrats used pens to mark the ballots. You know who else signed things with pens? That's right, Hitler!"
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8th November 2020, 05:33 PM	#63
slyjoe Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 2,536	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Nothing and they know it. It's pure "Here's something totally unrelated that I'm just throwing out there to poison the well." Might as well go "Democrats used pens to mark the ballots. You know who else signed things with pens? That's right, Hitler!" Don't worry - the pen lawsuit has already been dropped in Maricopa County.
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8th November 2020, 05:41 PM	#64
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,929	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Nothing and they know it. It's pure "Here's something totally unrelated that I'm just throwing out there to poison the well." Might as well go "Democrats used pens to mark the ballots. You know who else signed things with pens? That's right, Hitler!" It's ridiculous. About the only thing the two had in common was the use of mail in absentee ballots. Calling the ones used in the US 2020 election "illegal" is nonsense unless it can be proven. Let's say that some ballots in this election are not technically "legal". That doesn't mean they weren't cast with honest intent. For example, the GOP are complaining about ballots postmarked on or before election day that the USPS failed to deliver. They are calling those ballots "illegal". In other words sorry, the government didnt do its job. Your ballots are illegal. They're not arguing fraud and the results are not accurate. They simply are looking for a way to not counting votes that went against them.
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8th November 2020, 05:52 PM	#65
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,178	Originally Posted by Minoosh I don't really think anyone needs to sack Trump's inner circle, but I could be wrong. An actual strategy could emerge, I suppose, but I doubt it. Should Biden change his conciliatory tone? From "Heal the nation" to "Concede now and I won't crush your testicles in a vise"? Or maybe he can get Kamala to say it ... I've had reason to believe in the past that Biden has a pugnacious side. Will Trump yield, and this avoid? Or guilty in defense be thus destroyed?
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8th November 2020, 05:57 PM	#66
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,113	Originally Posted by acbytesla Trumpkins never let you down with just how crazy they can be. Marshall Arkansas police chief Lang Holland resigned after making posts on social media that repeatedly said Democrats should be killed. He claimed that the election was being stolen. and "Death to all Marxist Democrats, Take no prisoners, leave no survivors!!" Sucking up taxpayer dollars all the way of course.

8th November 2020, 05:59 PM	#67
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,113	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Will Trump yield, and this avoid? Or guilty in defense be thus destroyed? I pick you to write the libretto for the opera. May it end for Trump as it did for Don Giovanni.

8th November 2020, 06:06 PM	#68
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 39,620	Originally Posted by Minoosh Some glitch is keeping me from linking to a Daily Beast story from a couple of days ago. The headline was, "Trump whines: Why isn't Barr coming to save me?" Trump whining is not news. The analysis within caught my eye though: The key word there is "incoherent." I don't think there's going to be a coherent way out of this for Trump because Trump is fundamentally incoherent. It's a feature not a bug.
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8th November 2020, 06:11 PM	#69
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,271	It's a trap! Originally Posted by JoeMorgue You are wrong. You are intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative. It is dangerous and irresponsible, to say nothing of both intellectually and morally cowardly, to do that. How is he doing that? He gave us some information on 'how the U.S. State Dept explained Ukraine electoral fraud', which presumably is factual. As to what relevance this has to the current US election or what it might mean, he did not state an opinion. Please don't accuse other posters of 'intentionally promoting spreading false facts and promoting a false narrative' when they just quote from a link and otherwise 'have no opinion on that'. Because it's a trap.
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8th November 2020, 06:16 PM	#70
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,337	Originally Posted by Minoosh The key word there is "incoherent." I don't think there's going to be a coherent way out of this for Trump because Trump is fundamentally incoherent. Trump isn't the one directing the legal strategy, though. He has requested that his campaign overturn the election result by any means they can manage, and the strategy for doing that is being developed by others.
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8th November 2020, 06:27 PM	#71
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,944	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Yeah stripped of all the fluff it's basically just going "Trump will accept the results of the election if he is given literally no other choice." And of course Trump always will have another choice - not to accept the result - and that's the one he'll make. I don't think there's anything which could compel him to.
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8th November 2020, 06:30 PM	#72
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,826	Originally Posted by TangyPoindexter 0n6ycytf06yg6/:'is gu dedicated for6yygg7pbb0 llllllllllllllllihjnnn ffgtdvftgrffgrx4vc6g6cm75a2g889s5zdfdcfcc6dcdccfcg gxx7yj5z Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

8th November 2020, 06:30 PM	#73
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,944	Originally Posted by Checkmite Trump isn't the one directing the legal strategy, though. He has requested that his campaign overturn the election result by any means they can manage, and the strategy for doing that is being developed by others. And it seems the team is being put together by by the hapless Kushner and run by loony Giuliani.
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8th November 2020, 06:32 PM	#74
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,826	Originally Posted by wareyin It's a tapatalk post, which means it was done on a phone. Seems extremely likely that it was a pocket post.

8th November 2020, 06:36 PM	#75
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,778	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin To be clear, I will NOT go out with Gal Gadot if she is the last woman on earth. I support your choice.
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