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Old 27th November 2020, 04:03 PM   #3121
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Was this already mentioned?

Trump ‘haemorrhaging’ Twitter followers in wake of election defeat {Independent)

It's heart rendering I tells ya'!
Gives me hope the Trump supporters will grow quiet when Trump leaves office. As a matter of fact, judging from the comments threads I frequent, they've gone more quiet already.
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Old 27th November 2020, 04:10 PM   #3122
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
Gives me hope the Trump supporters will grow quiet when Trump leaves office. As a matter of fact, judging from the comments threads I frequent, they've gone more quiet already.
Don't get complacent. There are always places like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/donaldtrump/

This is an example of a Trumplican echo chamber, and it's only one of many. These people are not open to learning anything that contradicts their faith in Trump. I don't think this crap is just going to die.
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Old 27th November 2020, 04:21 PM   #3123
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Originally Posted by The Greater Fool View Post
It seems Trump has forgotten what his flock has been saying for 4 years:

The Popular vote doesn't matter, it's the EC vote that matters.

It’s probably because he believes that the person with the least number of popular votes is supposed to get the most electoral votes.
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Old 27th November 2020, 04:31 PM   #3124
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Fox is still suggesting that SCOTUS will review Rudy's slapped down case. Giuliani is expected to file an appeal that Justice Alito would first review and then bring to the full court.

Even though a case this pathetic in most other situations Alito would deny immediately. Something tells me however he'll take it to the full court. Not because he thinks the case has merit but because he might be looking for cover. By taking it to the full court it can be smacked down with anonymity. Simply the court denies the writ without knowing which specific judges sided against Trump.
I am curious to see what the Supreme Court will do. I'm sure the Justices will review the writ of certiorari. This would be a bit tough to accept because it does not meet any of the normal guidelines. Those guidelines would be things like an appeal of a state supreme court, or where a circuit court opinion conflicts with a state supreme court or another circuit court, of where the circuit court opinion break precedent. But maybe they will consider this case important enough to have a review simply to show that Trump has had a full and fair day in court.

The Supreme Court may grant the writ but choose to only hear some of the alleged errors. Rudy's appeal is primarily on the denial of his request to amend the complaint again. The Supreme Court may choose to hear just that complaint.

It is possible that Rudy could even win that case. But that would really only be symbolic. That would just let Rudy file his amended complaint. That would raise an additional issue to be reviewed, but he district and appellant court already demolished the case on number of grounds.

So that is not likely. I doubt five Justices would be willing to sit through Rudy making a mockery of the court and drag the politics into the court just to give Trump a bit of saving face by causing a delay.

I expect a writ would be denied. But I would not find any result earthshattering. And none will change the outcome of the election.
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Old 27th November 2020, 04:36 PM   #3125
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
SOme in the GOP are worried that Trump will not help them in Gerogia because he feels the GOP has not been loyal enough to him.
I think it is very possible he might decide to go the Thrid Party route where he can have a party that is totally and blindly devoted to Dear Leader, with no behind closed doors grumbling which Trump is fully aware goes on in the GOP. Just doing what he wants is not enough, he must have total love and devotion.
I have a great idea. If people started a Trump for Senate seat write-in campaign those angry Georgia Trump sycophants could show everyone!
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Old 27th November 2020, 04:38 PM   #3126
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Interesting tidbit - Donnie's sister was a member of the 3rd circuit before retiring last year.
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Old 27th November 2020, 04:39 PM   #3127
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I... Although there have been calls in the OANN comment sections to get rid of all those evil RINOs*. And start their own party of Trump. ...
Yes!

Can we amplify that sentiment?
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Old 27th November 2020, 04:53 PM   #3128
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Unofficial reports suggest that the recount in Wisconsin has been completed. Trump had previously gained 57 votes. This appears to be negated because Biden gained 132 votes in Milwaukee County.

Biden leads by more than 20,600 votes.

Appears Biden beat Trump in Wisconsin again
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Old 27th November 2020, 05:02 PM   #3129
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This is from an Associated Press story carried by virtual television station KBTX in Waco Texas. In yesterday's White House press conference trump finally answered the question, what will it take to get him to concede the presidency and leave the White House? The answer? The electoral college naming Biden the winner.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Trump, who took questions from reporters for the first time since the election, unleashed another round of complaints about the vote and theatrical warnings that “a lot of things” would happen before the Electoral College meets Dec. 14 that could possibly change results. But while he’s stirring uncertainty about how he will behave in the weeks ahead, there is no real suspense about the outcome.

President Donald Trump still won’t bring himself to concede the election he decisively lost to President-elect Joe Biden. But he’s now acknowledging he will leave the White House if Biden’s win is affirmed by the Electoral College, which is firmly on track to do just that in a few weeks. “Certainly I will,” he said Thursday when asked if he will vacate the premises after electors make Biden’s win formal. “But you know that.” KBXTV link

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Old 27th November 2020, 05:06 PM   #3130
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Unofficial reports suggest that the recount in Wisconsin has been completed. Trump had previously gained 57 votes. This appears to be negated because Biden gained 132 votes in Milwaukee County.

Appears Biden beat Trump in Wisconsin again
The question that remains is, how many times does Biden have to win the election? This is really getting ridiculous.
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Old 27th November 2020, 05:16 PM   #3131
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Interesting tidbit - Donnie's sister was a member of the 3rd circuit before retiring last year.

She resigned as questions were raised about her tax dealings:

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A judicial ethics probe of President Donald Trump’s older sister, Circuit Judge Maryanne Trump Barry, has ended with her retirement from the federal judiciary.

Four individuals had filed ethics complaints against Barry in October 2018 based on a New York Times report on “dubious tax schemes” by Donald Trump and his siblings, the New York Times reports. Barry, a judge on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals at Philadelphia, went on senior inactive status after Trump’s inauguration.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/arti...ethics-inquiry
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Old 27th November 2020, 05:19 PM   #3132
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Originally Posted by ferd burfle View Post
She resigned as questions were raised about her tax dealings:




https://www.abajournal.com/news/arti...ethics-inquiry
Once a Trump always a Trump.
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Old 27th November 2020, 05:30 PM   #3133
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Approaching 6.3 million vote margin

Biden:80,257,014


Trump: 73,965,222


Margin: 6,291,792
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Old 27th November 2020, 05:43 PM   #3134
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
This is from an Associated Press story carried by virtual television station KBTX in Waco Texas. In yesterday's White House press conference trump finally answered the question, what will it take to get him to concede the presidency and leave the White House? The answer? The electoral college naming Biden the winner.
You're a bit late with this, he's now tweeted that he'll only concede if Biden proves that his 80 million votes are all legal.

Yup, after failing to provide any evidence of the massive fraud he knows happened, he's taking the classic rogue's way out of trying to shift the burden of proof in a case of "No, you have to prove my claims wrong!"

Originally Posted by Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!
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Old 27th November 2020, 05:53 PM   #3135
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Biden can only enter the White House as President if...
A weird sudden (temporary) switch from being his pitiful & whiny self to trying to be a toughguy. But who does he think thinks he has a choice?

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Trump Tweets

...where’s Hunter!
Why would you need to know? So you can send someone after him?

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
The complaint for the Georgia case incorrectly cites the Pennsylvania constitution instead of the Georgia constitution, which indicates they were working on a Pennsylvania case and got their information mixed up for the Georgia complaint.
The list of things like that has gotten too long to be sure they can even all be recalled at once: showing up at the wrong building, Freudian-slipping a "second amended" thing into a "second amendment" thing, misspellings all over the place, mixing up Michigan and Minnesota, repeatedly admitting in courts that they had no argument to present which means they knew they didn't when the filed in the first place, using one document in two different jursidictions without even doing a competent find-&-replace nevermind actually writing separate ones for separate circumstances...

It's been clear for a long time that Trump himself was only semi-literate at best, but how in the world did he manage to stock his entire legal team with other semi-literates?

Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
there have been calls in the OANN comment sections to get rid of all those evil RINOs*...



*Usually spelled RHINO'S.
Umm... what?
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Old 27th November 2020, 06:02 PM   #3136
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From Forbes:
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Less than a day after saying he would leave the White House should President-elect Joe Biden be voted in by the electoral college, President Donald Trump backtracked, baselessly insisting Friday that Biden "can only enter the White House as President if he can prove" his 80 million votes were not “fraudulently or illegally obtained,” and effectively recanting his closest admission to electoral defeat. Forbes link
This is nonsensical, of course. Who would Biden have to 'prove it' to? Who would keep Biden out of the White House ("can only enter the White House if") if trump's challenge isn't met? The Proud Boys?

Wonder what tomorrow's condition will be?
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It's been clear for a long time that Trump himself was only semi-literate at best, but how in the world did he manage to stock his entire legal team with other semi-literates?
He hires flunkies--selected for loyalty rather than talent.
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Wonder what tomorrow's condition will be?
If Biden wants to get into the White House, he will need to bring...



a shrubbery!
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Old 27th November 2020, 06:39 PM   #3139
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
From Forbes:


This is nonsensical, of course. Who would Biden have to 'prove it' to? Who would keep Biden out of the White House ("can only enter the White House if") if trump's challenge isn't met? The Proud Boys?

Wonder what tomorrow's condition will be?
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Old 27th November 2020, 06:45 PM   #3140
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You're a bit late with this, he's now tweeted that he'll only concede if Biden proves that his 80 million votes are all legal.

Yup, after failing to provide any evidence of the massive fraud he knows happened, he's taking the classic rogue's way out of trying to shift the burden of proof in a case of "No, you have to prove my claims wrong!"
There's been some discussion here about whether Trump really believes the things he's saying about fraud, whether maybe those are just things he's saying to further fleece the flock, or to keep the base faithful for another run in four years, or other assorted ascribed motives. I think that all those things are possible, but I don't think that they exclude the possibility, even a likelihood, that he really does believe he won. This is a guy who's been saying since he ran against Hilary that the only way he could lose is for the other side to cheat; I don't see see any reason to think that he doesn't deeply believe that the only evidence that he needs to prove fraud is that Biden got more votes.

Biden won the popular vote? Biden won the Electoral vote? GOP election officials have certified the votes against him? Just about every case brought on his behalf has been pretty much laughed out of court, even by judges he appointed? Those facts are part of the plot. For him, "I won!" isn't a claim that he's making that needs its own evidence to support, it's the default, the faith that stands on its own; and any evidence that contradicts that faith is, by virtue of the contradiction, part of the fraud.

He didn't lose because he couldn't have- I think it really is just as simple and as dumb as that. It wouldn't be that big a deal except that it's the kind of simple and dumb that is catching, and that he's doing his damnedest to infect the country with.
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I think he knows he has lost. This is probably about wanting to punish Biden for winning. In Trump's world, you don't beat Trump; that's the rule. Biden broke the rule, and in Trump's mind needs to be punished.
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Old 27th November 2020, 06:58 PM   #3142
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
If Biden wants to get into the White House, he will need to bring...



a shrubbery!

But once he does that he’ll probably be required to cut down a tree with a herring.
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I think he knows he has lost. This is probably about wanting to punish Biden for winning. In Trump's world, you don't beat Trump; that's the rule. Biden broke the rule, and in Trump's mind needs to be punished.
In the sense that he knows he will have to give the office up to Biden, and won't be President after Jan 20, sure, that's the realist in him. But I don't think he will ever know that that's because he lost.
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If Biden wants to get into the White House, he will need to bring...



a shrubbery!
Does that mean Jeb! will be running the White House Gift Shop?
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Won't happen in PA for no other reason then both the GOP Legislature leaders have ambitions to be governor; for that in a swing state they will need swing votes, and overturning the popular election result would be plain political suicide.
OK then. Trump should have read...something. Whatever news he is able to grasp.
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Trump campaign well behind in it's bills.

Trump campaign is behind on its bills. More than $210,000 is from the election. The 2016 Election that is. Millions more of outstanding 2018 invoices owed as well. How far behind it is on bills from the recent election is unknown.
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Trump paid more than $27,000 for each of the 132 votes added to Biden's vote count in Wisconsin
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Trump campaign is behind on its bills. More than $210,000 is from the election. The 2016 Election that is. Millions more of outstanding 2018 invoices owed as well. How far behind it is on bills from the recent election is unknown.
What's an even greater mystery is why anyone does any work for these clowns without being paid up-front.
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It's been clear for a long time that Trump himself was only semi-literate at best, but how in the world did he manage to stock his entire legal team with other semi-literates?

That's easy. He perceives anyone smarter than him as a threat, and gets rid of them. How many people has he fired for telling him the truth, instead of kissing his ass and telling him how brilliant he is? The end result of that is he ends up surrounded by morons whose only qualifications are being ass-kissing yes men.


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Trump campaign is behind on its bills. More than $210,000 is from the election. The 2016 Election that is. Millions more of outstanding 2018 invoices owed as well. How far behind it is on bills from the recent election is unknown.

Just like always, as far behind as he can get. He's always screwed over his sub-contractors, why would he stop now? And that was when he had to make **** up about them doing sub-standard work to justify stiffing them. Now? He lost the election, so obviously everyone he paid to get him re-elected must have done sub-standard work. Winners get paid (sometimes); losers can see him in court!
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Well, at least they are right about that. Electronic voting machines are inherently unsafe and should never be used.
That word makes the claiim untrue. Used properly, they're better then any other voting procedure.
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Fairly standard for work with any gov type agency is do the work, submit your factura/bill and wait two weeks. Then they cover it.

Except my boss has been waiting 3 months for one to be paid and they just sent a request of donations for them for Xmas gifts for the workers.

They were not asking for low ticket items either.

There is always this mystical chain of command in getting money from them, the one that signs checks is never there when he goes, and doesn't have a number to call to ask questions.
But everyone else has met him in the office.
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Classic right-wing bubble in action. First, some loon makes up a story:

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Trump Retweeted

One America News
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Data group exposes widespread mail-in ballot fraud - https://oann.com/data-group-exposes-...-ballot-fraud/ #OANN
Then a cultist picks it up and embellishes it:

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Attorney diGenova says fraud, deception in Pa. election is ‘truly staggering’ - https://oann.com/attorney-digenova-s...ly-staggering/ #OANN
Then it is brought to the attention of someone who has access to Trump's twitter feed and posts to his account. Finally, in a twofer, the president tweets about it and, simultaneously, another right-wing outfit blasts it out:
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Newsmax
@newsmax
They got caught." - President Trump fires off on the perpetrators of 'fraud,' and applauds Rudy Giuliani for his efforts. http://nws.mx/tv
So the circle is complete.
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Old 27th November 2020, 08:06 PM   #3153
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
"feral" government?

Is that supposed to be clever, or just poor spelling?
He did it twice so it wasn't an accident.
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Old 27th November 2020, 08:23 PM   #3154
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
... starting with the COVID Memorial to see the beautifully planned rooms. I like that the best.
My favorite is the rooftop cemetery memorialized by a Herman Cain quote. Priceless!
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Old 27th November 2020, 09:02 PM   #3155
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OK then. Trump should have read...something. Whatever news he is able to grasp.
Here's the thing - Dolt 45 is actually perfectly capable of grasping ideas that regular people can, in theory. He understands the concept of genetics, on some level - the problem is that instead of learning, he simply ties it into his bigotry and broken self esteem, and comes up with a version of scientific racism that flatters himself in particular. He could easily have been a decent businessperson, and a decent amateur golfer - but he instead insists on tearing others down, under an assumption that everyone else does this, and ends up a massive cheat and a failure.

*Could* he come up with a way to overthrow the election results? Well...no, there's just no path to do it post-election, and anyone that wasn't a sociopath of some sort or other would have known that in January, and said "Okay, let's work on this pandemic so I can come out looking like a hero". But again, this Toupee Fiasco would have also been a successful businessman who never bothered running for president out of a need to adoration and to show how much better he was than the uppity ****** that he perceived Obama to be.
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Old 27th November 2020, 09:39 PM   #3156
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Not to mention ironic given Newsmax and OANN appear to be 'news' sites (schilling for Trump).
Ironically, Curt Schilling is also shilling for Trump.
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Old 27th November 2020, 09:46 PM   #3157
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
If Biden wants to get into the White House, he will need to bring...



a shrubbery!
Hey Donnie is already the Black Knight...
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Old 27th November 2020, 09:51 PM   #3158
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Ironically, Curt Schilling is also shilling for Trump.
A great businessman like Schilling would naturally support Trump.

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38 Studios, LLC, formerly Green Monster Games, LLC, was an American entertainment and IP development company founded in 2006 by Major League Baseball pitcher Curt Schilling and named for his jersey number.
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On May 24, 2012, 38 Studios officially declared bankruptcy, ceasing operations and laying off its entire staff and that of Big Huge Games via a mass email.[18] Schilling publicly addressed the studio's failure on Boston radio station WEEI, revealing that he never took a salary and ended up losing his entire personal fortune of $50 million.
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
... So the circle is complete [keeps on turning].
ftfy

I do not believe there is an end.
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Old 27th November 2020, 09:59 PM   #3160
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Ironically, Curt Schilling is also shilling for Trump.
I should have capitalized it.
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