[Continuation] 2020 Presidential Election part 3 - Page 87

phiwum · 29th November 2020, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Another lawsuit was filed yesterday in Wisconsin. Brought by Dean Mueller asking for an emergency injunction by the State Supreme Court to block certification of the 2020 Presidential Election.

His complaint? He says the use of drop boxes was unconstitutional. That the Wisconsin Elections Commission cannot authorize this. Only the State legislature can.

The remedy he is asking?

That any ballots using the drop boxes to be illegal.

or

That the State must hold another election before December 14.

or

Have the State legislature choose the electors.

I'm really curious if the Wisconsin Supreme Court would even hear such a complaint given the timing. This issue could have been raised before the election but wasn't and the remedies is to disenfranchise a hell of a lot of voters or all Wisconsin voters.

Watching Legal Eagle's podcast tells me that the Doctrine of laches is what I'm searching for in describing Dean Mueller's attempt to reverse an election post hoc on a technicality.

Surely, the phrase you're searching for is 4d Chess.

Dr.Sid · 29th November 2020, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

I was just pushed the news that some top Republicans are encouraging Trump to attend Biden’s inauguration, “...for the good of the party”.

I, for one, hope he doesn’t attend. If he does, much of the coverage and attention may end up being about Trump - how he does or doesn’t behave, that sort of thing. It can only detract from the solemnity and solemnity of Biden’s swearing in.

Just Stay Away!™️

Come on. Joe is boring. Joe doing boring rituals is super boring. A clown would make it much more fun.

Meadmaker · 29th November 2020, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Paul2

The Senate is back in session on Jan. 3.

Yes, and at that time, she will (probably) still be a Senator. She'll be watching Mike Pence count electoral votes. The first time it convenes after January 20, she will be President of the Senate.

acbytesla · 29th November 2020, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by phiwum

Surely, the phrase you're searching for is 4d Chess.

That's good.

Mueller should tip over his king then.

acbytesla · 29th November 2020, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

Come on. Joe is boring. Joe doing boring rituals is super boring. A clown would make it much more fun.

Can you imagine Trump being there after all this ridiculousness? About as appealing as a turd in a punch bowl.

Hercules Rockefeller · 29th November 2020, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

That's good.

Mueller should tip over his king then.

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Safe-Keeper · 29th November 2020, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

I was just pushed the news that some top Republicans are encouraging Trump to attend Biden’s inauguration, “...for the good of the party”.

I, for one, hope he doesn’t attend. If he does, much of the coverage and attention may end up being about Trump - how he does or doesn’t behave, that sort of thing. It can only detract from the solemnity and solemnity of Biden’s swearing in.

Just Stay Away!™️

There is no way he will attend. Which is probably for the best.

trustbutverify · 29th November 2020, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Watching Legal Eagle's podcast tells me that the Doctrine of laches is what I'm searching for in describing Dean Mueller's attempt to reverse an election post hoc on a technicality.

Thank Odin for that guy. A rare voice of reason and intellect in a swamp of dickheads.

acbytesla · 29th November 2020, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Thank Odin for that guy. A rare voice of reason and intellect in a swamp of dickheads.

Want to learn the law? The Legal Eagle dissects cases and the law as well as anyone. Popehat and him are my favorites. Kirschner is off and on. Too often though Kirschner prattles on what should be right, not what is actually the legal issues.

About the only thing I don't like about the Legal Eagle is how he pitches everything from his suits to his tie clips to his hair products.

trustbutverify · 29th November 2020, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Want to learn the law? The Legal Eagle dissects cases and the law as well as anyone. Popehat and him are my favorites. Kirschner is off and on. Too often though Kirschner prattles on what should be right, not what is actually the legal issues.

About the only thing I don't like about the Legal Eagle is how he pitches everything from his suits to his tie clips to his hair products.

His commercials are fine with me. It's stuff he uses and likes, and it helps him put more of the best yt legal content out there. I've been a subscriber almost from the start.

acbytesla · 29th November 2020, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

His commercials are fine with me. It's stuff he uses and likes, and it helps him put more of the best yt legal content out there. I've been a subscriber almost from the start.

It's ok. But most of what he pitches are vanity products. Don't I look like a high priced attorney who over-bills.

But the content of most of his videos is top notch.

kookbreaker · 29th November 2020, 05:39 PM

Krebs is on 60 minutes right now. Some new details about the election security but mostly him restating what he already said.

varwoche · 29th November 2020, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Some internet guy's opinion

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=...49702165170463

An anonymous character on the internet (you) points out that some internet guy has an opinion about a journalist's interpretation of the constitution.

All hail Kevin Bacon.

trustbutverify · 29th November 2020, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

It's ok. But most of what he pitches are vanity products. Don't I look like a high priced attorney who over-bills.

But the content of most of his videos is top notch.

I respectfully disagree. Viewers like the way he presents himself, and asked him about it. I don't think he looks like an over-priced attorney. Just a competently dressed professional.

acbytesla · 29th November 2020, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

I respectfully disagree. Viewers like the way he presents himself, and asked him about it. I don't think he looks like an over-priced attorney. Just a competently dressed professional.

That's fair. Still, a little too much flash for my tastes. Too much focus on appearance.

I have also known far too many attorneys that dress the part and are idiots. He dresses the part, but he does an excellent job in explaining legal terms and processes

8enotto · 29th November 2020, 07:37 PM

Details on what Krebs had to say?

"Krib" notes on the big points are fine.

SezMe · 29th November 2020, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets a 4 minute video of Diamond & Silk on Newsmax giving their verdict on voter fraud and the Constitution.

(Video in Link)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...47732218863616

How in the world did those two asshats ever come to prominence?

SezMe · 29th November 2020, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bubba

Ooops forgot that all important link

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11...-state-1000152

Really crappy writing on a crappy web site. Works for me.

Delphic Oracle · 29th November 2020, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by 8enotto

Details on what Krebs had to say?

"Krib" notes on the big points are fine.

60 minutes segment:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/chris-...-2020-11-29/#x

I saw a chunk of this from the break room earlier tonight. He was being pitched examples of the Trump/Giuliani/et al claims. Krebs was (patiently) incredulous with each one as they came, due to one (or several) underlying farcical concepts they were built on.

acbytesla · 29th November 2020, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

60 minutes segment:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/chris-...-2020-11-29/#x

I saw a chunk of this from the break room earlier tonight. He was being pitched examples of the Trump/Giuliani/et al claims. Krebs was (patiently) incredulous with each one as they came, due to one (or several) underlying farcical concepts they were built on.

Here's the 60 minutes segment on YouTube as well

https://youtu.be/YzBJJ1sxtEA

SezMe · 29th November 2020, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

....
This election was a failure for Democrats in every way except the fact that Trump lost. <snip>

To add to the woes that Delvo cited, it's worse at the state level. The 2020 census will be used by the states for reapportioning. Sadly, the GOP owns more governorships and legislatures than they did in 2010 and I'm sure no one here needs to be reminded how that reapportioning went.

In fact, I think the 2020 USA election was in concert with a larger, world-wide shift toward right wing extremism. Worse, I think this trend will worsen in the decades ahead. As global warming worsens disaster after disaster, makes national and international organizations less effective, and causes mass migrations, the selling of fear will be easier. And selling fear is the primary skill of right wing "populists" like Trump, bibi, Boris Johnson and others.

I'm not going to be around much longer and that might just be a blessing in disguise.

Checkmite · 29th November 2020, 09:09 PM

The latest alleged word from inside the Trump camp is that he is planning to hold a major news conference to announce his 2024 campaign during the Biden inauguration ceremony, in a puerile attempt to "steal coverage".

kookbreaker · 29th November 2020, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by 8enotto

Details on what Krebs had to say?

"Krib" notes on the big points are fine.

The very short version would be:

There.is.a.paper.record.of.the.vast.majority.of.vo tes!

The.paper.record.matched.the.machine.count.when.ha nd.counts.were.done.

Captain_Swoop · 29th November 2020, 09:19 PM

Trump Tweets

NO WAY WE LOST THIS ELECTION!

Pennsylvania can lead the way, just like it did many years ago. Very important things happening!
Quote Tweet

“Democrats suffered crushing down-ballot loss across America.” @nytimes.
This is true. All statehouses won, and in Washington we did great. So I led this great charge, and I’m the only one that lost? No, it doesn’t work that way. This was a massive fraud, a RIGGED ELECTION!

@60Minutes never asked us for a comment about their ridiculous, one sided story on election security, which is an international joke. Our 2020 Election, from poorly rated Dominion to a Country FLOODED with unaccounted for Mail-In ballots, was probably our least secure EVER!

We have some big things happening in our various litigations on the Election Hoax. Everybody knows it was Rigged. They know Biden didn’t get more votes from the Black community than Obama, & certainly didn’t get 80,000,000 votes. Look what happened in Detroit, Philadelphia, plus!

Solitaire · 29th November 2020, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Nope, no way does Trump cross the 75 million vote threshold.
The Biden estimate may be about right. Almost all the ballots
left to be counted are in NY.

I went back, corrected a few dozen numbers, recalculated the normal,
scaled for the expected size, and to my surprise the votes for Trump
shrank, Biden stayed about the same.

Biden 81.1 million votes
Trump 74.6 million votes
Others 2.9 million votes

Captain_Swoop · 29th November 2020, 09:23 PM

General Flynn tweets

@GenFlynn
#TeamKraken wins a major injunction. Judge Batten issues an order to freeze all dominion machines in GA.

The devil may have gone down to GA, but it is light that shines bright today.

@SidneyPowell1
@abigailcfrye
@LLinWood
@marklevinshow
@realDonaldTrump
@tracybeanz twitter.com/llinwood/statu…

8enotto · 29th November 2020, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Here's the 60 minutes segment on YouTube as well

https://youtu.be/YzBJJ1sxtEA

Thanks guys, not much US news gets down here as our coverage is about the religious pilgrimage stuff right now.
It seems they got bored repeating some idiot keeps calling fraud every day.

Norman Alexander · 29th November 2020, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

NO WAY WE LOST THIS ELECTION!

Pennsylvania can lead the way, just like it did many years ago. Very important things happening!
Quote Tweet

“Democrats suffered crushing down-ballot loss across America.” @nytimes.
This is true. All statehouses won, and in Washington we did great. So I led this great charge, and I’m the only one that lost? No, it doesn’t work that way. This was a massive fraud, a RIGGED ELECTION!

@60Minutes never asked us for a comment about their ridiculous, one sided story on election security, which is an international joke. Our 2020 Election, from poorly rated Dominion to a Country FLOODED with unaccounted for Mail-In ballots, was probably our least secure EVER!

We have some big things happening in our various litigations on the Election Hoax. Everybody knows it was Rigged. They know Biden didn’t get more votes from the Black community than Obama, & certainly didn’t get 80,000,000 votes. Look what happened in Detroit, Philadelphia, plus!

Because the interview wasn't about or with you, you mango moron.

Skeptic Ginger · 29th November 2020, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

The latest alleged word from inside the Trump camp is that he is planning to hold a major news conference to announce his 2024 campaign during the Biden inauguration ceremony, in a puerile attempt to "steal coverage".

Baby steps.... now toddler steps: he's announcing his way out, he'll supposedly run again in 2024.

Norman Alexander · 29th November 2020, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

General Flynn tweets

@GenFlynn
#TeamKraken wins a major injunction. Judge Batten issues an order to freeze all dominion machines in GA.

The devil may have gone down to GA, but it is light that shines bright today.

@SidneyPowell1
@abigailcfrye
@LLinWood
@marklevinshow
@realDonaldTrump
@tracybeanz twitter.com/llinwood/statu…

Kraken got krunked.

Quote:

Georgia court issues, then reverses order to prevent Dominion voting machines being ‘wiped’

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...0b5ca814495c91

Skeptic Ginger · 29th November 2020, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Because the interview wasn't about or with you, you mango moron.

Not to mention it isn't as if we aren't getting Trump's side in hourly doses here.

It's refreshing that 60 minutes didn't play the all sides must be heard card.

Skeptic Ginger · 29th November 2020, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Kraken got krunked.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...0b5ca814495c91

From the 60 Minutes interview:

GA had paper ballots, counted by machine, then had a hand recount that confirmed the machine count of the paper ballots.

IIRC Trumpikins wanted another machine count to delay certification I believe. The machines crashed according to that link which interfered with the recount. Sounds like the judge said go forward the machine recount was useless anyway.

Someone correct me if I don't have that right.

Norman Alexander · 29th November 2020, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

From the 60 Minutes interview:

GA had paper ballots, counted by machine, then had a hand recount that confirmed the machine count of the paper ballots.

IIRC Trumpikins wanted another machine count to delay certification I believe. The machines crashed according to that link which interfered with the recount. Sounds like the judge said go forward the machine recount was useless anyway.

Someone correct me if I don't have that right.

As I read it (and I stand to be corrected), the suit was thrown out because the injunction brought was not against those responsible for the ballot but some other party who simply leases the machines to them. Looks like a fairly basic legal fail by people who should do their job a lot better: Make sure you are bringing suit against the correct people!

acbytesla · 29th November 2020, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

As I read it (and I stand to be corrected), the suit was thrown out because the injunction brought was not against those responsible for the ballot but some other party who simply leases the machines to them. Looks like a fairly basic legal fail by people who should do their job a lot better: Make sure you are bringing suit against the correct people!

Which suit? You have over 30 to choose from.

Norman Alexander · 29th November 2020, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Which suit? You have over 30 to choose from.

With the vote-fraud crowd, who the **** knows any more! It's a cavalcade of fail anyway, so one is as good as another, I imagine.

The one where they tried to have the servers prevented from being routinely cleared so they could be returned to their owner.

Ambrosia · 30th November 2020, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

The latest alleged word from inside the Trump camp is that he is planning to hold a major news conference to announce his 2024 campaign during the Biden inauguration ceremony, in a puerile attempt to "steal coverage".

I read this somewhere a while back, and it explains Trump perfectly to my mind.

Trump craves success and attention above all else, and he uses money as a means to measure success.

The *only* thing in his entire life, at which you could say he was legitimately successful at, was the Apprentice. (Much of the reason for that was the hard work of the people that made the show, but Trump was a perfect fit, a "poor mans vision of a rich man" and one who would happily play the clown)

So now all the things he learned from reality TV he applies to everything. He berates career politicians for being "dull boring guys", which in reality TV would be a real problem, but is actually a plus point in a lot of real world jobs.

He sees everything in terms of ratings and thinks that more coverage = more ratings = more winning = more money.

He doesn't care about policies or politics, he genuinely thinks that he has been "winning" all of the past 4 years, because he has been headline news almost every day of those 4 years.

Most ratings ever!

People will tune in to watch the bad guy get his come uppance just as much as they tune in to see the guy get the girl. His grasp of how ratings work is as shallow as his taste in interior decor.

As soon as he is no longer a useful idiot for the GOP (shortly after the GA runoff elections I'd guess) the career GOP politicians will wash their hands of him and he'll get relegated to OAN or Breitbart and parler and will whine loudly with an ever dwindling audience for the rest of his days.

Aridas · 30th November 2020, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ambrosia

I read this somewhere a while back, and it explains Trump perfectly to my mind.

Trump craves success and attention above all else, and he uses money as a means to measure success.

Mary Trump related? She certainly talked about that in an interview.

Originally Posted by Ambrosia

As soon as he is no longer a useful idiot for the GOP (shortly after the GA runoff elections I'd guess) the career GOP politicians will wash their hands of him and he'll get relegated to OAN or Breitbart and parler and will whine loudly with an ever dwindling audience for the rest of his days.

Chances are decent that he'll be quickly kicked off Twitter for his wrongs once he's not officially President anymore, yes. I doubt that very many of the GOP politicians will wash their hands of him, though, in any meaningful manner. He's become enough of a part of the alternate reality narrative that they've spun that he's not likely to immediately disappear - especially if he just keeps campaigning. If he vanishes from the public eye for a fair while, they'll likely be glad about that, but, shameless as most of them are, they're not likely to denounce him unless they see pointed advantage to doing so.

Skeptic Ginger · 30th November 2020, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ambrosia

I read this somewhere a while back, and it explains Trump perfectly to my mind.

Trump craves success and attention above all else, and he uses money as a means to measure success.

The *only* thing in his entire life, at which you could say he was legitimately successful at, was the Apprentice. (Much of the reason for that was the hard work of the people that made the show, but Trump was a perfect fit, a "poor mans vision of a rich man" and one who would happily play the clown)

So now all the things he learned from reality TV he applies to everything. He berates career politicians for being "dull boring guys", which in reality TV would be a real problem, but is actually a plus point in a lot of real world jobs.

He sees everything in terms of ratings and thinks that more coverage = more ratings = more winning = more money.

He doesn't care about policies or politics, he genuinely thinks that he has been "winning" all of the past 4 years, because he has been headline news almost every day of those 4 years.

Most ratings ever! [snipped for space]

If you want to understand Trump's behavior take a glance through the 'Trump has pathologic narcissism' thread. Or read Mary Trump's book which explains how he got the way he is.

People watch and follow him because he's a very good con artist. But he's a phony. You could call the fact he gets out of his failures and continues to keep the con going a form of success.

He is incapable of admitting failure. I don't mean he just doesn't want to, I mean he is incapable. So he has manufactured this nonsense about voter fraud. His lawyers dropped out leaving behind the likes of Giuliani.

He won't concede but he will slink away to Mar-a-Lago at some point. I'm pretty sure our tax dollars and/or donations are paying to remodel the place before he lives there full time instead of going back to NY. He will continue to get whatever he can from us in the way of charging high rates for the secret service ex-presidents are entitled to.

But his escape from the law may be coming to an end and he knows that. He can't pardon himself from state crimes and some of his tax fraud can be prosecuted by the states. What I'm curious about is will he pardon himself from the money laundering he's been doing via his real estate deals? He'll have to admit to it if he wants to try to pardon himself for it.

It will also be interesting to see what crimes he pardons his kids for.

Minoosh · 30th November 2020, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

As I read it (and I stand to be corrected), the suit was thrown out because the injunction brought was not against those responsible for the ballot but some other party who simply leases the machines to them. Looks like a fairly basic legal fail by people who should do their job a lot better: Make sure you are bringing suit against the correct people!

The judge said that the request should have been made to local county jurisdictions, not the state. The state owns the machines but they are administered by the counties.

Quote:

“Any injunction the court issues would extend only to defendants and those within their control, and plaintiffs have not demonstrated that county election officials are within defendants’ control. Defendants cannot serve as a proxy for local election officials against whom the relief should be sought.”

Skeptic Ginger · 30th November 2020, 01:01 AM

Keystone lawyers.

29th November 2020, 03:37 PM	#3443
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by Paul2 The Senate is back in session on Jan. 3. Yes, and at that time, she will (probably) still be a Senator. She'll be watching Mike Pence count electoral votes. The first time it convenes after January 20, she will be President of the Senate.
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29th November 2020, 03:42 PM	#3444
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,938	Originally Posted by phiwum Surely, the phrase you're searching for is 4d Chess. That's good. Mueller should tip over his king then.
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29th November 2020, 03:45 PM	#3445
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,938	Originally Posted by Dr.Sid Come on. Joe is boring. Joe doing boring rituals is super boring. A clown would make it much more fun. Can you imagine Trump being there after all this ridiculousness? About as appealing as a turd in a punch bowl.
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29th November 2020, 03:52 PM	#3447
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,365	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B I was just pushed the news that some top Republicans are encouraging Trump to attend Biden’s inauguration, “...for the good of the party”. I, for one, hope he doesn’t attend. If he does, much of the coverage and attention may end up being about Trump - how he does or doesn’t behave, that sort of thing. It can only detract from the solemnity and solemnity of Biden’s swearing in. Just Stay Away!™️ There is no way he will attend. Which is probably for the best.
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29th November 2020, 04:18 PM	#3448
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,794	Originally Posted by acbytesla Watching Legal Eagle's podcast tells me that the Doctrine of laches is what I'm searching for in describing Dean Mueller's attempt to reverse an election post hoc on a technicality. Thank Odin for that guy. A rare voice of reason and intellect in a swamp of dickheads.
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29th November 2020, 03:16 PM	#3441
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,714	Originally Posted by acbytesla Another lawsuit was filed yesterday in Wisconsin. Brought by Dean Mueller asking for an emergency injunction by the State Supreme Court to block certification of the 2020 Presidential Election. His complaint? He says the use of drop boxes was unconstitutional. That the Wisconsin Elections Commission cannot authorize this. Only the State legislature can. The remedy he is asking? That any ballots using the drop boxes to be illegal. or That the State must hold another election before December 14. or Have the State legislature choose the electors. I'm really curious if the Wisconsin Supreme Court would even hear such a complaint given the timing. This issue could have been raised before the election but wasn't and the remedies is to disenfranchise a hell of a lot of voters or all Wisconsin voters. Watching Legal Eagle's podcast tells me that the Doctrine of laches is what I'm searching for in describing Dean Mueller's attempt to reverse an election post hoc on a technicality. Surely, the phrase you're searching for is 4d Chess.

29th November 2020, 03:17 PM	#3442
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 3,132	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B I was just pushed the news that some top Republicans are encouraging Trump to attend Biden’s inauguration, “...for the good of the party”. I, for one, hope he doesn’t attend. If he does, much of the coverage and attention may end up being about Trump - how he does or doesn’t behave, that sort of thing. It can only detract from the solemnity and solemnity of Biden’s swearing in. Just Stay Away!™️ Come on. Joe is boring. Joe doing boring rituals is super boring. A clown would make it much more fun.

29th November 2020, 04:47 PM	#3449
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,938	Originally Posted by trustbutverify Thank Odin for that guy. A rare voice of reason and intellect in a swamp of dickheads. Want to learn the law? The Legal Eagle dissects cases and the law as well as anyone. Popehat and him are my favorites. Kirschner is off and on. Too often though Kirschner prattles on what should be right, not what is actually the legal issues. About the only thing I don't like about the Legal Eagle is how he pitches everything from his suits to his tie clips to his hair products.
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29th November 2020, 04:55 PM	#3450
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,794	Originally Posted by acbytesla Want to learn the law? The Legal Eagle dissects cases and the law as well as anyone. Popehat and him are my favorites. Kirschner is off and on. Too often though Kirschner prattles on what should be right, not what is actually the legal issues. About the only thing I don't like about the Legal Eagle is how he pitches everything from his suits to his tie clips to his hair products. His commercials are fine with me. It's stuff he uses and likes, and it helps him put more of the best yt legal content out there. I've been a subscriber almost from the start.
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29th November 2020, 05:11 PM	#3451
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,938	Originally Posted by trustbutverify His commercials are fine with me. It's stuff he uses and likes, and it helps him put more of the best yt legal content out there. I've been a subscriber almost from the start. It's ok. But most of what he pitches are vanity products. Don't I look like a high priced attorney who over-bills. But the content of most of his videos is top notch.
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29th November 2020, 05:39 PM	#3452
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,067	Krebs is on 60 minutes right now. Some new details about the election security but mostly him restating what he already said.
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29th November 2020, 06:28 PM	#3453
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,371	Originally Posted by Bubba Some internet guy's opinion https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=...49702165170463 An anonymous character on the internet (you) points out that some internet guy has an opinion about a journalist's interpretation of the constitution. All hail Kevin Bacon.
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29th November 2020, 06:53 PM	#3454
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,794	Originally Posted by acbytesla It's ok. But most of what he pitches are vanity products. Don't I look like a high priced attorney who over-bills. But the content of most of his videos is top notch. I respectfully disagree. Viewers like the way he presents himself, and asked him about it. I don't think he looks like an over-priced attorney. Just a competently dressed professional.
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29th November 2020, 07:15 PM	#3455
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,938	Originally Posted by trustbutverify I respectfully disagree. Viewers like the way he presents himself, and asked him about it. I don't think he looks like an over-priced attorney. Just a competently dressed professional. That's fair. Still, a little too much flash for my tastes. Too much focus on appearance. I have also known far too many attorneys that dress the part and are idiots. He dresses the part, but he does an excellent job in explaining legal terms and processes
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29th November 2020, 07:37 PM	#3456
8enotto Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,858	Details on what Krebs had to say? "Krib" notes on the big points are fine.

29th November 2020, 08:02 PM	#3457
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,826	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets a 4 minute video of Diamond & Silk on Newsmax giving their verdict on voter fraud and the Constitution. (Video in Link) https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...47732218863616 How in the world did those two asshats ever come to prominence?

29th November 2020, 08:18 PM	#3458
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,826	Originally Posted by Bubba Ooops forgot that all important link https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11...-state-1000152 Really crappy writing on a crappy web site. Works for me.

29th November 2020, 08:29 PM	#3459
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,275	Originally Posted by 8enotto Details on what Krebs had to say? "Krib" notes on the big points are fine. 60 minutes segment: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/chris-...-2020-11-29/#x I saw a chunk of this from the break room earlier tonight. He was being pitched examples of the Trump/Giuliani/et al claims. Krebs was (patiently) incredulous with each one as they came, due to one (or several) underlying farcical concepts they were built on.

29th November 2020, 08:54 PM	#3460
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,938	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle 60 minutes segment: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/chris-...-2020-11-29/#x I saw a chunk of this from the break room earlier tonight. He was being pitched examples of the Trump/Giuliani/et al claims. Krebs was (patiently) incredulous with each one as they came, due to one (or several) underlying farcical concepts they were built on. Here's the 60 minutes segment on YouTube as well https://youtu.be/YzBJJ1sxtEA
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29th November 2020, 08:59 PM	#3461
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,826	Originally Posted by Delvo .... This election was a failure for Democrats in every way except the fact that Trump lost. <snip> To add to the woes that Delvo cited, it's worse at the state level. The 2020 census will be used by the states for reapportioning. Sadly, the GOP owns more governorships and legislatures than they did in 2010 and I'm sure no one here needs to be reminded how that reapportioning went. In fact, I think the 2020 USA election was in concert with a larger, world-wide shift toward right wing extremism. Worse, I think this trend will worsen in the decades ahead. As global warming worsens disaster after disaster, makes national and international organizations less effective, and causes mass migrations, the selling of fear will be easier. And selling fear is the primary skill of right wing "populists" like Trump, bibi, Boris Johnson and others. I'm not going to be around much longer and that might just be a blessing in disguise.

29th November 2020, 09:09 PM	#3462
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,343	The latest alleged word from inside the Trump camp is that he is planning to hold a major news conference to announce his 2024 campaign during the Biden inauguration ceremony, in a puerile attempt to "steal coverage".
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29th November 2020, 09:16 PM	#3463
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,067	Originally Posted by 8enotto Details on what Krebs had to say? "Krib" notes on the big points are fine. The very short version would be: There.is.a.paper.record.of.the.vast.majority.of.vo tes! The.paper.record.matched.the.machine.count.when.ha nd.counts.were.done.
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29th November 2020, 09:19 PM	#3464
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,357	Trump Tweets NO WAY WE LOST THIS ELECTION! Pennsylvania can lead the way, just like it did many years ago. Very important things happening! Quote Tweet “Democrats suffered crushing down-ballot loss across America.” @nytimes. This is true. All statehouses won, and in Washington we did great. So I led this great charge, and I’m the only one that lost? No, it doesn’t work that way. This was a massive fraud, a RIGGED ELECTION! @60Minutes never asked us for a comment about their ridiculous, one sided story on election security, which is an international joke. Our 2020 Election, from poorly rated Dominion to a Country FLOODED with unaccounted for Mail-In ballots, was probably our least secure EVER! We have some big things happening in our various litigations on the Election Hoax. Everybody knows it was Rigged. They know Biden didn’t get more votes from the Black community than Obama, & certainly didn’t get 80,000,000 votes. Look what happened in Detroit, Philadelphia, plus!
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29th November 2020, 09:21 PM	#3465
Solitaire Neoclinus blanchardi Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,478	Originally Posted by acbytesla Nope, no way does Trump cross the 75 million vote threshold. The Biden estimate may be about right. Almost all the ballots left to be counted are in NY. I went back, corrected a few dozen numbers, recalculated the normal, scaled for the expected size, and to my surprise the votes for Trump shrank, Biden stayed about the same. Biden 81.1 million votes Trump 74.6 million votes Others 2.9 million votes
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29th November 2020, 09:23 PM	#3466
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,357	General Flynn tweets @GenFlynn #TeamKraken wins a major injunction. Judge Batten issues an order to freeze all dominion machines in GA. The devil may have gone down to GA, but it is light that shines bright today. @SidneyPowell1 @abigailcfrye @LLinWood @marklevinshow @realDonaldTrump @tracybeanz twitter.com/llinwood/statu…

29th November 2020, 09:24 PM	#3467
8enotto Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,858	Originally Posted by acbytesla Here's the 60 minutes segment on YouTube as well https://youtu.be/YzBJJ1sxtEA Thanks guys, not much US news gets down here as our coverage is about the religious pilgrimage stuff right now. It seems they got bored repeating some idiot keeps calling fraud every day.

29th November 2020, 09:27 PM	#3468
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,458	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets NO WAY WE LOST THIS ELECTION! Pennsylvania can lead the way, just like it did many years ago. Very important things happening! Quote Tweet “Democrats suffered crushing down-ballot loss across America.” @nytimes. This is true. All statehouses won, and in Washington we did great. So I led this great charge, and I’m the only one that lost? No, it doesn’t work that way. This was a massive fraud, a RIGGED ELECTION! @60Minutes never asked us for a comment about their ridiculous, one sided story on election security, which is an international joke. Our 2020 Election, from poorly rated Dominion to a Country FLOODED with unaccounted for Mail-In ballots, was probably our least secure EVER! We have some big things happening in our various litigations on the Election Hoax. Everybody knows it was Rigged. They know Biden didn’t get more votes from the Black community than Obama, & certainly didn’t get 80,000,000 votes. Look what happened in Detroit, Philadelphia, plus! Because the interview wasn't about or with you, you mango moron.
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29th November 2020, 09:27 PM	#3469
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,811	Originally Posted by Checkmite The latest alleged word from inside the Trump camp is that he is planning to hold a major news conference to announce his 2024 campaign during the Biden inauguration ceremony, in a puerile attempt to "steal coverage". Baby steps.... now toddler steps: he's announcing his way out, he'll supposedly run again in 2024.
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29th November 2020, 09:30 PM	#3470
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,458	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop General Flynn tweets @GenFlynn #TeamKraken wins a major injunction. Judge Batten issues an order to freeze all dominion machines in GA. The devil may have gone down to GA, but it is light that shines bright today. @SidneyPowell1 @abigailcfrye @LLinWood @marklevinshow @realDonaldTrump @tracybeanz twitter.com/llinwood/statu… Kraken got krunked. Quote: Georgia court issues, *then reverses order* to prevent Dominion voting machines being ‘wiped’ https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...0b5ca814495c91
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29th November 2020, 09:43 PM	#3471
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,811	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Because the interview wasn't about or with you, you mango moron. Not to mention it isn't as if we aren't getting Trump's side in hourly doses here. It's refreshing that 60 minutes didn't play the all sides must be heard card.
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29th November 2020, 09:49 PM	#3472
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,811	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Kraken got krunked. https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...0b5ca814495c91 From the 60 Minutes interview: GA had paper ballots, counted by machine, then had a hand recount that confirmed the machine count of the paper ballots. IIRC Trumpikins wanted another machine count to delay certification I believe. The machines crashed according to that link which interfered with the recount. Sounds like the judge said go forward the machine recount was useless anyway. Someone correct me if I don't have that right.
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29th November 2020, 10:09 PM	#3473
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,458	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger From the 60 Minutes interview: GA had paper ballots, counted by machine, then had a hand recount that confirmed the machine count of the paper ballots. IIRC Trumpikins wanted another machine count to delay certification I believe. The machines crashed according to that link which interfered with the recount. Sounds like the judge said go forward the machine recount was useless anyway. Someone correct me if I don't have that right. As I read it (and I stand to be corrected), the suit was thrown out because the injunction brought was not against those responsible for the ballot but some other party who simply leases the machines to them. Looks like a fairly basic legal fail by people who should do their job a lot better: Make sure you are bringing suit against the correct people!
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29th November 2020, 10:23 PM	#3474
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,938	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander As I read it (and I stand to be corrected), the suit was thrown out because the injunction brought was not against those responsible for the ballot but some other party who simply leases the machines to them. Looks like a fairly basic legal fail by people who should do their job a lot better: Make sure you are bringing suit against the correct people! Which suit? You have over 30 to choose from.
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29th November 2020, 10:38 PM	#3475
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,458	Originally Posted by acbytesla Which suit? You have over 30 to choose from. With the vote-fraud crowd, who the **** knows any more! It's a cavalcade of fail anyway, so one is as good as another, I imagine. The one where they tried to have the servers prevented from being routinely cleared so they could be returned to their owner.
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30th November 2020, 12:04 AM	#3476
Ambrosia Good of the Fods Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,673	Originally Posted by Checkmite The latest alleged word from inside the Trump camp is that he is planning to hold a major news conference to announce his 2024 campaign during the Biden inauguration ceremony, in a puerile attempt to "steal coverage". I read this somewhere a while back, and it explains Trump perfectly to my mind. Trump craves success and attention above all else, and he uses money as a means to measure success. The only thing in his entire life, at which you could say he was legitimately successful at, was the Apprentice. (Much of the reason for that was the hard work of the people that made the show, but Trump was a perfect fit, a "poor mans vision of a rich man" and one who would happily play the clown) So now all the things he learned from reality TV he applies to everything. He berates career politicians for being "dull boring guys", which in reality TV would be a real problem, but is actually a plus point in a lot of real world jobs. He sees everything in terms of ratings and thinks that more coverage = more ratings = more winning = more money. He doesn't care about policies or politics, he genuinely thinks that he has been "winning" all of the past 4 years, because he has been headline news almost every day of those 4 years. Most ratings ever! People will tune in to watch the bad guy get his come uppance just as much as they tune in to see the guy get the girl. His grasp of how ratings work is as shallow as his taste in interior decor. As soon as he is no longer a useful idiot for the GOP (shortly after the GA runoff elections I'd guess) the career GOP politicians will wash their hands of him and he'll get relegated to OAN or Breitbart and parler and will whine loudly with an ever dwindling audience for the rest of his days.