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Old 4th December 2017, 09:18 PM   #1041
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
No one can forgive Trump supporters because they will never apologize.
Article: I Voted for Trump and I Sorely Regret It
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Old 4th December 2017, 10:19 PM   #1042
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
I recall reading that when it was published, and immediately concluding that the writer must be, at the very least, both a horrible judge of character and a low-information voter. Toupee Fiasco's many failings have been obvious, and widely reported, for decades. He was plainly far inferior to Clinton, likely Johnson, and certainly McMullen as well.
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Old 5th December 2017, 05:05 AM   #1043
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
I recall reading that when it was published, and immediately concluding that the writer must be, at the very least, both a horrible judge of character and a low-information voter. Toupee Fiasco's many failings have been obvious, and widely reported, for decades. He was plainly far inferior to Clinton, likely Johnson, and certainly McMullen as well.
Never underestimate venality. There were piles of money out here for Trump pundits from demographics he polled abysmally with.
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Old 5th December 2017, 03:37 PM   #1044
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Does anyone have a good theory on why Americans over 50 are (overall, not all of "you"...only about half) the most gullible electorate in the developed world?

The only thing I can think of is that it was the cold war. Being the other superpower in a real battle for world domination had a bunch of long-term side effects on people's minds, which are now culminated as support for DJT.
I am over 70 and clearly loathe trump and his b-buddies.
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Old 5th December 2017, 11:26 PM   #1045
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Trump supporters are so delusional that they believe they are the majority.
Only because of the abject stupidity that is the electoral college!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 5th December 2017, 11:33 PM   #1046
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
Only because of the abject stupidity that is the electoral college!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And they think the polls are all fake.
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Old 6th December 2017, 01:24 AM   #1047
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
And they think the polls are all fake.

Only the ones with results they don't like.
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Old 6th December 2017, 01:26 AM   #1048
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
I am over 70 and clearly loathe trump and his b-buddies.
Again, it's only about half the folks in your age demographic (and the slightly younger one) who seem to have this peculiar problem.

I don't know a single person in their 30's who gets basically all their news from Fox and hate radio and voted for Trump. I know exactly one person in their 40's who did.

Of course, most of my friends are liberals, and my conservative friends generally call themselves "libertarians" now, but the hard-right skewing older thing is definitely real. You can see it here:
http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/fil...tbuilder_2.png
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Old 6th December 2017, 02:45 AM   #1049
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I think I've forgiven my Trump-voting family members - I never felt there was anything to forgive, really. It's a brother and nephew and their votes (I'm sure they voted) are canceled out by my sister-in-law and niece (pretty sure they voted ... I have a theory some Hillary supporters convinced themselves there was no need). Anyway I think I detect some slight softening in my brother's/nephew's support, although that may be wishful thinking.

On the other hand, friends? I'm not likely to be friends with anyone who voted for Trump. We just wouldn't have enough in common. All the boomers in my circle of close friends were appalled by Trump.

I ran into some teenagers who were pro-Trump because I see a huge variety in various schools. One school was essentially all-Latino with a fair number of "dreamers" who were hurt, bewildered and angered by his campaign rhetoric. In whiter schools opinion was mixed. One boy wore a T-shirt that said, "Reagan/Bush 2016." So not a fan, but a Republican.
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Old 6th December 2017, 08:31 AM   #1050
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I think I've forgiven my Trump-voting family members - I never felt there was anything to forgive, really. It's a brother and nephew and their votes (I'm sure they voted) are canceled out by my sister-in-law and niece (pretty sure they voted ... I have a theory some Hillary supporters convinced themselves there was no need). Anyway I think I detect some slight softening in my brother's/nephew's support, although that may be wishful thinking.

On the other hand, friends? I'm not likely to be friends with anyone who voted for Trump. We just wouldn't have enough in common. All the boomers in my circle of close friends were appalled by Trump.

I ran into some teenagers who were pro-Trump because I see a huge variety in various schools. One school was essentially all-Latino with a fair number of "dreamers" who were hurt, bewildered and angered by his campaign rhetoric. In whiter schools opinion was mixed. One boy wore a T-shirt that said, "Reagan/Bush 2016." So not a fan, but a Republican.
He was popular in a lot of high schools.

https://nypost.com/video/fans-at-a-h...uild-the-wall/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3e8bdcf5bdf8

Making america white again appealed across many age ranges.
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Old 6th December 2017, 10:16 AM   #1051
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Beyond this, it is a bit rich to accuse people pointing out these facts (which I would say are indisputable), given the utterly ridiculous accusations against Clinton that Trump and the Alt Right have been promoting
I'm having a bit of trouble following your logic here.

Some people, with whom I am not interacting, have done stupid things. And because those people, with whom I'm not interacting, have done stupid things, I am precluded from pointing out when people with whom I am interacting are doing slightly less stupid things?

Would we call this reductio ad whataboutism absurdum?
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Old 6th December 2017, 01:39 PM   #1052
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Beyond this, it is a bit rich to accuse people pointing out these facts (which I would say are indisputable), given the utterly ridiculous accusations against Clinton that Trump and the Alt Right have been promoting
I'm having a bit of trouble following your logic here.

Some people, with whom I am not interacting, have done stupid things. And because those people, with whom I'm not interacting, have done stupid things, I am precluded from pointing out when people with whom I am interacting are doing slightly less stupid things?

Would we call this reductio ad whataboutism absurdum?
You are accusing me of an attitude akin to religiosity for pointing out indisputable facts - Trump lies in a different way to other politicians, with no regard for the truth, or the importance of the lie.

As far as I see it, the religiosity is all in the Trump supporters who have sufficient faith in the Alt-Right conspiracy theories. Either they are knaves (and don't believe what they are pushing) or they are fools.




Sometimes one side is unequivocally right. More often, one side is unequivocally wrong. In this case, people who are still supporting Trump are obviously being wilfully blind. It is not religiosity to point this out. Trump's corruption is well documented. His utter disregard for the truth - even on things that don't matter and are easily disproven is painfully obvious ("largest inauguration crowd" is the most blinding example )
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Old 6th December 2017, 01:43 PM   #1053
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Sometimes one side is unequivocally right. More often, one side is unequivocally wrong. In this case, people who are still supporting Trump are obviously being wilfully blind. It is not religiosity to point this out. Trump's corruption is well documented. His utter disregard for the truth - even on things that don't matter and are easily disproven is painfully obvious ("largest inauguration crowd" is the most blinding example )
But he needed to put his enemies in the CIA in their place by disrespecting their dead, because of how they would argue that russia helped him get elected. Russia doesn't even exist after all, totally made up by the deep state.
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