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Old 12th July 2022, 09:33 AM   #2721
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Johnson has prevented Labour from tabling the VONC.
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Old 12th July 2022, 09:56 AM   #2722
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Can I laugh at Javid not getting enough nominations?

Too late: I am laughing a lot.
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Old 12th July 2022, 01:45 PM   #2723
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Yesterday Sunak was 11/8 clear favourite. Earlier today he'd moved out to 7/4, but a fair bit ahead of the rest. Now it's him and Mordaunt joint favs at 7/4.

Weird happenings. What a mess.
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Old 12th July 2022, 03:55 PM   #2724
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"She's as strong a Brexiteer as either of us... Liz was always opposed to Rishi's higher taxes, that again is proper Conservatism"

Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees-Mogg back Liz Truss to be the next Conservative leader and PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share
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Old 12th July 2022, 04:35 PM   #2725
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
"She's as strong a Brexiteer as either of us... Liz was always opposed to Rishi's higher taxes, that again is proper Conservatism"

Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees-Mogg back Liz Truss to be the next Conservative leader and PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share
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Old 13th July 2022, 02:44 AM   #2726
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
"She's as strong a Brexiteer as either of us... Liz was always opposed to Rishi's higher taxes, that again is proper Conservatism"

Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees-Mogg back Liz Truss to be the next Conservative leader and PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share

Presumably a different Liz Truss to this one..

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Old 13th July 2022, 03:08 AM   #2727
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Anyone for Tugendhat?
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Old 13th July 2022, 03:22 AM   #2728
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Presumably a different Liz Truss to this one..

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...e93d139976.jpg
To be fair she probably didn't know there was a difference between a remainer and a brexiter. Can't expect her to understand such complicated stuff.
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Old 13th July 2022, 03:31 AM   #2729
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Anyone for Tugendhat?
https://twitter.com/camillahmturner/...54929033601024

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One senior backbench MP who was in the room for the Common Sense group hustings tells me how Tom Tugendhat "completely fluffed" his answer to a question about Europe. "He was all about European team work and that fell flat on an audience that was full of Brexiteers," they said.
Maybe Tugendhat realises that he's unlikely to win this election, but by setting out his record for not denying the obvious, he's better placed to lead the Tories after the next General Election.
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I have seen some calling for this.

Tommy Robinson supporters though
They'd have to catch him first.
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Old 13th July 2022, 04:44 AM   #2731
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
https://twitter.com/camillahmturner/...54929033601024



Maybe Tugendhat realises that he's unlikely to win this election, but by setting out his record for not denying the obvious, he's better placed to lead the Tories after the next General Election.
Ah, too sane for the current Conservatives.
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Old 13th July 2022, 05:23 AM   #2732
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People are banging on about his 'service' in the Army in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He was in the Territorial Army Educational and Training Services Branch.
He went to Afghanistan in a civilian capacity, for the Foreign & Commonwealth Office.
He never 'served' in a military capacity.
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Old 13th July 2022, 05:25 AM   #2733
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
People are banging on about his 'service' in the Army in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He was in the Territorial Army Educational and Training Services Branch.
He went to Afghanistan in a civilian capacity, for the Foreign & Commonwealth Office.
He never 'served' in a military capacity.
In tory terms that makes him experienced enough to be the grand marshal of all military forces across all space and time!
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Old 13th July 2022, 05:29 AM   #2734
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In tory terms that makes him experienced enough to be the grand marshal of all military forces across all space and time!
And he's probably over-qualified to be a Russian General.

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Old 13th July 2022, 06:07 AM   #2735
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Meanwhile it looks as though Johnson is trying for a VONC in the government but not the PM.

If you can understand what I have just written, please let me know.
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Old 13th July 2022, 06:08 AM   #2736
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To be fair she probably didn't know there was a difference between a remainer and a brexiter. Can't expect her to understand such complicated stuff.
Oh that's harsh. Can't we remember her achievements for once link
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Old 13th July 2022, 06:18 AM   #2737
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Aside from the current Tory soap opera, I have to say it's nice that the Home Office has decided not to punish Mo Farah for letting himself be trafficked and effectively enslaved as a teenager by stripping him of his citizenship and deporting him to a failed state. I'm sure the fact that he's a national sporting hero had no bearing on this outcome whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
And he's probably over-qualified to be a Russian General.

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Old 13th July 2022, 11:47 AM   #2739
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Why was this fool elected to speaker? He’s pathetic!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Why was this fool elected to speaker? He’s pathetic!
He's pathetic is why.

What has he done just now?
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
He's pathetic is why.

What has he done just now?
Hoyle orders ALBA MPs Neale Hanvey and Kenny MacAskill out of the chamber for heckling Boris Johnson

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Cruella de Braverman is through to the final 6!!!

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According to Thomas Corbett-Dillon a "former Johnson adviser" on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox. If only Boris hadn't fallen into a woke globalist elite trap, he could have been more like Trump. And now the UK is vulnerable to 'leftists'.

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If I send Boris a tweet with a recipe for a cake in it can I claim to be an 'advisor'?
I like how Tucker Carlson can keep his concerned look on his face and not burst out laughing.
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Anyone for Tugendhat?
As one of his constituents, I would describe him (if I were being charitable) as ineffectual, and somewhat...absent.

My assumption, when he announced his candicacy, was that he as trying to raise his profile in order to get a cabinet position from whoever won. The biggest thing in his favour may well be that (never having held a ministerial post) he hasn't been tainted by close association with any of the recent shitshows. I am mildly surprised that he got through the first vote.

However, it should be noted that it would be hard to describe his voting record as in any way progressive, or foward thinking, or anything other than bog-standard controlling tory crap
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As one of his constituents, I would describe him (if I were being charitable) as ineffectual, and somewhat...absent.

My assumption, when he announced his candicacy, was that he as trying to raise his profile in order to get a cabinet position from whoever won. The biggest thing in his favour may well be that (never having held a ministerial post) he hasn't been tainted by close association with any of the recent shitshows. I am mildly surprised that he got through the first vote.

However, it should be noted that it would be hard to describe his voting record as in any way progressive, or foward thinking, or anything other than bog-standard controlling tory crap
That's the thing, he makes the right noises, and has done for ages but doesn't back it up with voting against the government where he criticises it.
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Why do so many senior politicians apparently not understand how our representative system works? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2122959.html

If it was only Dorries who made claims about the 14 million vote mandate for BlowJob one could put it down to her general lack of brain cells, but other folk who aren't so obvioulsy lacking in the brain cell department do it.

Is it some form of of Joe Morgue's "proudly wrong" idea? Or do they assume that the British (especially English) voters are that stupid?
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So, Truss, apparently, has a record of delivery and yet, at the same time, was part of several governments whose "business as usual economic management...has delivered low growth for decades".

Which bit of what she claims are we to believe? Or is delivering low economic growth what she's proud of? Can't see much else she's achieved...
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Why do so many senior politicians apparently not understand how our representative system works? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2122959.html

If it was only Dorries who made claims about the 14 million vote mandate for BlowJob one could put it down to her general lack of brain cells, but other folk who aren't so obvioulsy lacking in the brain cell department do it.

Is it some form of of Joe Morgue's "proudly wrong" idea? Or do they assume that the British (especially English) voters are that stupid?
Well, 14 million of them did vote for the Tories/Johnson, and 17 million voted for Brexit.
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Braverman's claim that she can stop the immigrants in small boats crossing the channel, by getting the UK out of the ECHR, is rather odd. I do not believe that will deter a single immigrant from using that method to access the UK.
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Braverman's claim that she can stop the immigrants in small boats crossing the channel, by getting the UK out of the ECHR, is rather odd. I do not believe that will deter a single immigrant from using that method to access the UK.
Maybe she simply wants to sink the boats in The Channel and/or ship any asylum seekers into international waters and abandon them.

Perhaps she wants to do away with the concept of refugees and asylum seekers altogether. If arrive at the border or you're in the country without the necessary leave to remain then you are simply deported to your point of origin or dumped in international waters. Once you're completely free from those pesky human rights, your list of options gets longer.
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Can I laugh at Javid not getting enough nominations?

Too late: I am laughing a lot.
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People are banging on about his 'service' in the Army in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He was in the Territorial Army Educational and Training Services Branch.
He went to Afghanistan in a civilian capacity, for the Foreign & Commonwealth Office.
He never 'served' in a military capacity.
AIUI he was something to do with intelligence.

(Having any of that would rule him out, I guess.)
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Braverman is knocked out. Sunak extends his lead.

If he gets in he will be the second UK PM to have a criminal conviction, BJ being the first.
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Braverman's claim that she can stop the immigrants in small boats crossing the channel, by getting the UK out of the ECHR, is rather odd. I do not believe that will deter a single immigrant from using that method to access the UK.
It's not just Braverman, Penny Mordaunt is prattling on about 'illegal immigrants'. However, it is already easy to get rid of people who have arrived illegally. Asylum seekers cannot be labelled 'illegal immigrants' as they have the full force of international law behind them, which protects people who are fleeing war or other intolerable situations, such as slavery. Simply trafficking them off to a country across the world against their will is going back to the 18th century practice of transportation of petty criminals to Australia for life.

I am sure the candidates fully understand this, which is why they prefer to use the term 'illegal immigrant'.

One thing asylums seekers have over some of the cabinet is that you can't call them 'economic migrants'. IOW it is not the ECHR protecting them. It serves more as an appeal court because an applicant has to show they have exhausted all domestic avenues first before applying to Strasburg. In addition, it can take literally years. So, one judge sitting in an emergency session at the ECHR and issuing an emergency stay of execution isn't actually interfering in UK law, as the Home Office should have applied its own parallel UK law HRA 1998 and allowed (a) a hearing for the individual to present his or her case and (b) the right to appeal a deportation decision.

Presumably the candidates also want to get rid of the police as the police stops them from breaking the law.
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Braverman is knocked out. Sunak extends his lead.

If he gets in he will be the second UK PM to have a criminal conviction, BJ being the first.
Yay, where's the bubbly?


Apparently Ress-Mogg and Dorries are spinning a conspiracy theory that Dominic Cummings is the eminence gris behind Sunak's 'treacherous' campaign against their beloved Boris.
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Braverman is out of the running after the latest voting round.

A masochistic part of me would have liked to see Dorries run and win just to see how bad things could possibly get
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Old 14th July 2022, 09:41 AM   #2758
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Mordaunt now warm fave at 8/13

Sunak 10/3

Truss 4/1

The rest nowhere.
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Old 14th July 2022, 09:43 AM   #2759
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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
Mordaunt now warm fave at 8/13

Sunak 10/3

Truss 4/1

The rest nowhere.
Which was similar to the view at the start
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Old 14th July 2022, 09:55 AM   #2760
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Braverman's claim that she can stop the immigrants in small boats crossing the channel, by getting the UK out of the ECHR, is rather odd. I do not believe that will deter a single immigrant from using that method to access the UK.

Maybe she thinks that by the time they've finished slashing our rights, standard of living & food standards, desperate people living in Middle Eastern war zones or psychopathic dictatorships will look around and think "Maybe I'll stay here, at least the weather's nice".
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