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15th August 2022, 11:45 PM | #81 |
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According to Michael Cohen, Weisselberg is the key to Trump's financial secrets; Basically, "He Who Knows All". His ex-daughter-in-law is quite willing to testify what she knows about how he hid things from the IRS to avoid paying taxes.
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16th August 2022, 11:18 AM | #82 |
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16th August 2022, 11:20 AM | #83 |
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16th August 2022, 11:41 AM | #84 |
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I realize I'm just speculating but Weisselberg probably doesn’t want Trump and his allies focused on him. So it wouldn't surprise me that Weisselberg has a public deal not to aid the investigation and yet have a private deal to aid the investigation.
I mean why deal? Of course they might not feel they have a very good case. Seems to me that they do however. |
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16th August 2022, 11:58 AM | #85 |
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Possibly for a guaranteed win (which some prosecutors may prefer compared to going to a trial, where they may get stuck with a MAGAchud on the jury.) Or to free up resources.
I agree... it sucks... I wish they would throw the book at him. He's been dirty for a long time, so its not like this is some sort of momentary lapse of judgement, or an act of desperation. (And its been discussed before that we don't yet know the details... there is a chance that his deal may include him assisting in the investigation of the Trump organization but not in Trump himself.) |
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16th August 2022, 12:03 PM | #86 |
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That really is the X factor. You give me the choice of being the guy in charge of picking a jury for any hypothetical Trump trial or putting a gun in my mouth I'd have to think on it.
If anyone can imagine a worst case scenario for the concept of an "impartial jury of your peers" then President who prior to being President was a celebrity I'd like to know what it is. |
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16th August 2022, 09:28 PM | #87 |
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Reminded of an old Law and Order episode, I think it was about a guy who had killed a Jewish man with possible hate-crime overtones. The defense lawyer played into that, introducing into testimony evidence of anti-Semitic intent on the part of the defendant. During a recess the prosecutors (main characters that is) asked him what the hell he was doing, that he was hurting his own case. He said, "Go out there and ask twelve guys what they think of Jewish people. All I need is one."
IIRC sure enough it wound up a hung jury. |
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17th August 2022, 01:46 AM | #88 |
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If the crime started in Washington DC, then the jury will be drawn from registered DC voters. That's not a jury pool favorable to Trump at all. Florida is a crap shoot.
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17th August 2022, 02:13 AM | #89 |
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17th August 2022, 07:25 AM | #90 |
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17th August 2022, 07:55 AM | #91 |
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Yeah but in Florida instead of using bullets they fling poo at the condemned.
Hence the name 'crap shoot'. Hmmm... maybe it might be better for Trump to be tried in florida after all. Sure, there is a greater chance of a mistrial, but if he loses it will be much more entertaining. |
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19th August 2022, 05:54 AM | #92 |
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In what some are calling a stunning development, former trump organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg has agreed to testify against the donald trump organization, though not necessarily against trump personally. Yesterday Weisselberg pleaded guilty to fifteen felony counts relating to tax fraud. The 75-year-old Weisselberg will almost certainly get some jail time, though it could be as little as 100 days.
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19th August 2022, 06:25 AM | #94 |
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That may be a bigger deal that I originally thought. If he doesn't testify accurately at that trial his plea deal is out the window and he could face up to 15 years in jail.
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The Trump organisation should be fined to the total value of all the US real estate property it holds or has interests in, fittings and all, or forfeit the same in lieu. Trump can keep one passport...the Russian one. And he should be barred from running any businesses in the USA ever again.
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19th August 2022, 10:44 AM | #96 |
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Isn't that the truth!
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19th August 2022, 11:06 AM | #97 |
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That likely won't happen with the upcoming tax evasion case (the one that Bragg is involved in). I can imagine that resulting in no more than a few million in back taxes/fine.
On the other hand, the case by the NY Att. General (Laticia James) is directed at a wider range of Trump's shenanigans (including fraud associated with property evaluations.) She seems to be a lot more aggressive than Bragg, and there is the chance that the Trump organization might be severely harmed as a result. |
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19th August 2022, 02:05 PM | #98 |
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Criminal status of The Trump Orbit
I thought was about time I updated this.
Ran out of space on the inner track, so I had to add the outer track Candidates for "Who's Next?" John Eastman? Jeffrey Clark? |
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19th August 2022, 02:26 PM | #99 |
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As I said in another thread, Paul Manafort's trial was held in the so called "rocket docket" - U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, and Virginia is not exactly an overwhelmingly blue state... plenty of MAGA morons in that region, and yet they still found Manafort guilty.
Voir dire is very good at weeding out jury nullifiers, and I'm betting the DoJ/FBI will conduct thorough and detailed background checks on every single member of the jury pool (and by "jury pool" I mean the legal definition - the list of prospective jurors, actually summoned to appear from whom the jury is selected to serve in a jury trial. Trumpers don't exactly hide their political lights under bushels. Anyone who has so much as flown a Trump flag in their front yard will be challenged for cause. It is unlikely that he will be found not guilty... the very best might be a hung jury, and then the government just retries him. The Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 31(b)(3) states that If the jury cannot agree on a verdict on one or more counts, the court may declare a mistrial on those counts. The government may retry any defendant on any count on which the jury could not agree. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit held that this rule places no limits on the number of retrials in U.S. v. Wright in 2019: "The word 'may' means that the government has the discretion to retry a case, and nothing in the rule or its commentary provides or even suggests a limit on the number of retrials it may conduct" |
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Personally, I wish that in whatever state of mind one chooses to call it, that Trump truly believes that the election was really stolen from him and I want him to arise every morning with that thought being the first thing in his head, that he was gypped, swindled, outwitted ,and that he realizes there's not a damned thing he can do about it and I hope it eats him up from the inside. The USA's royalty is reluctant to penalize one of their own so imprisoning his mental health is the best we can hope for. |
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This is an interesting point: because Trumpers are so open in their support for him on social media, any Prosecutor would have no trouble getting rid of all of them on a potential Jury... which would lead to a Jury rather unlike the current make-up of American society.
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22nd August 2022, 03:39 AM | #107 |
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I think it is reasonable to conclude that the kind of people who support The Fat Orange Turd so vehemently and blindly that they would wilfully ignore overwhelming evidence of his guilt in order to commit jury nullification, are also the same types of people who will tell the world they support him any way they can.
Joe Morgue calls them "The Proudly Wrong" (although in this case, I would argue that "The Proudly Ignorant" or "The Proudly Stupid" might be more accurate descriptions). You only have to look at the actions of that bunch of moronic MAGA hats at the Capitol to see this - people who could not help bragging on social media about what they did, and posting videos of themselves committing felonies and participating in an insurrection. |
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22nd August 2022, 05:45 AM | #108 |
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That graphic is still showing Steve Bannon as indicted. Although Bannon was pardoned by then-President Trump before he could prove his innocence of mail fraud and money laundering in a court of law, Bannon was subsequently found guilty on two criminal charges of contempt of Congress, each implying a minimum sentence of 30 days in prison. Sentencing is scheduled for October.
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22nd August 2022, 11:02 AM | #109 |
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28th August 2022, 09:33 PM | #110 |
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29th August 2022, 08:32 AM | #111 |
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Lindsey Graham warns that there will be riots if Trump is prosecuted.
So ya, that's where we are at. Threats of violence if we America's most dangerous criminal in jail.... |
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29th August 2022, 08:45 AM | #112 |
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Conspiracy theory tags on. . .
Trump has the goods on "Lady G" thus explaining LG's sudden turn around regarding Trump's character in 2016. Trump is fearful he going to get tried and convicted, so he sends his boy out to throw a scare into the DOJ hoping they'll be convinced not to prosecute lest they start a civil war. Conspiracy theory tags off. . . |
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Fairly interesting article in yesterday's Observer, concerning the likeliest indictment - 'his greatest peril'.
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29th August 2022, 11:16 AM | #114 |
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Wouldn't Brian Kemp just pardon 45?
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29th August 2022, 11:44 AM | #116 |
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Maybe. But remember that Trump turned on Kemp and endorsed his rival, Perdue. I don't think there is any love for Trump from Kemp.
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