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13th August 2022, 06:21 AM | #1881 |
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13th August 2022, 11:00 AM | #1882 |
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13th August 2022, 11:10 AM | #1883 |
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13th August 2022, 12:14 PM | #1884 |
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13th August 2022, 12:32 PM | #1885 |
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13th August 2022, 12:59 PM | #1886 |
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Again we retain the title "Land of the Free" specifically so literally every single non-American can make the exact same joke / wry witty observation in literally every single discussion of American politics. Consider it our softball pitch setup gift to the world.
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13th August 2022, 03:25 PM | #1887 |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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13th August 2022, 03:49 PM | #1889 |
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I think it falls down also because abortion is not generally done alone, and the penalties for breaking the law are, I think, more severe than those of prohibition. There is, however, some merit to the idea that complete refusal can make it difficult to carry out a law.
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17th August 2022, 09:10 AM | #1890 |
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From https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-ne-florida-abortion-blocked-20220815-a6m4mcflzjehhfzhcdheiqhzdi-story.html:
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17th August 2022, 09:38 AM | #1891 |
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I can do one better...
From: Vice It was at her first ultrasound that Nancy Davis said she learned there was no way the baby, about whom she’d once been so excited, would ever grow up. “It was an abnormal ultrasound, and they noticed the top of the baby’s head was missing"...Davis said she was 10 weeks into her pregnancy at the time of her ultrasound but is unable to get an abortion in her home state of Louisiana, thanks to the state’s near-total ban on the procedure. Imagine, being at the low point in your life... finding that the child that you wanted will not survive. And then being told that you have to carry this deformed fetus in your body (with all the health complications and risks associated with any pregnancy) for months until birth, at which point the newborn will immediately die. A constant reminder of what is coming up. And Republicans are fine with that. |
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17th August 2022, 09:40 AM | #1892 |
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Hey that headless fetus could have grown up to be the next Republican President.
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17th August 2022, 03:25 PM | #1893 |
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17th August 2022, 03:28 PM | #1894 |
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17th August 2022, 04:36 PM | #1895 |
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17th August 2022, 05:12 PM | #1896 |
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A 17 year old not mature enough to know whether she wants to give birth or not, but she's mature enough to drive.
A woman carrying a known at 10 weeks unviable fetus but can't have an abortion because "It's a BAAAAAAAABY!" Screw the poor woman's emotional/psychological health knowing she's got a baby with the top of its head gone in her for another 7 months. Man, I really detest these jerks who think they have the right of dominion over a woman's body. If I wrote what I'd really like to call them, I'd be breaking several ISF rules. |
17th August 2022, 05:22 PM | #1897 |
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MTG is what you get when a woman is not allowed to abort a fetus with half its head missing.
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18th August 2022, 01:40 AM | #1899 |
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As many conservative states have pointedly removed rape exemptions from existing abortion bans, or passed new bans pointedly excluding any such exemptions, the group's plan essentially can't fail so long as getting caught and going to prison for a few months for a given rape isn't considered too high a price in their risk/reward calculus.
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18th August 2022, 02:03 AM | #1900 |
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Unfortunately, Vice has a tendency to be sensationalistic.
The headline for that story is "Woman May Be Forced to Give Birth to a Headless Baby Because of an Abortion Ban". The word "May" seems to be doing the heavy work there because the body of the story goes on to say that:
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18th August 2022, 02:07 AM | #1901 |
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MTG stands for a lot of things apparently. I looked it up but couldn't determine what the underlying words are.
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18th August 2022, 02:46 AM | #1902 |
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18th August 2022, 03:14 AM | #1903 |
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Yeah....no. The woman has been told she cannot have an abortion and the condition is not included in the "exception" list so Vice was not being "sensationalistic". From The Independent:
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18th August 2022, 07:03 AM | #1906 |
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As shown by another poster, the story has been repeated by other sources too.
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Yes, the list CAN be added to. But it appears that it hasn't been. (And even if they do add exceptions, doctors may still be reluctant to perform abortions in cases like this because they don't want to be second guessed by an over-zealous prosecutor.) And here's a question... why do these types of exceptions have to be ADDED TO the abortion law? Pro-choice advocates have been pointing to these types of situations for years. So why didn't the forced-birthers work that sort of thing into the law in the first place instead of waiting until after these sort of cases started popping up, then saying "ok, we'll try to fix things". |
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18th August 2022, 07:47 AM | #1907 |
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Because the forced-birthers didn't expect to win, and haven't really been giving any thought to the laws they have been claiming to want for decades? And now they're rushing things through to cause as much pain and suffering to women as they can before their laws are inevitably struck down or gotten rid of by the sane people who get voted in in reaction to these laws?
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18th August 2022, 08:24 AM | #1909 |
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There is literally nothing to suggest that. The whole foundation of the talking point is the cruelty of abortion. I mean, it is amazing that some liberals can talk about how "cruel" pro-life advocates are, when unborn humans are literally being vacuumed (or worse) out of wombs...in numbers over half a million (US), annually. Mind-blowing. |
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I get that this is just an act meant to get a response, but you already know that your half a million fetuses don't even have a central nervous system or the ability to feel pain. Vaccuming (or worse ) something that isn't sentient, doesn't have nerves or pain receptors, and and so can't feel anything isn't cruelty.
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Again the poor man's Jack Chick routine will be treated as anything other than a troll argument as soon the Right does literally one thing that actually protects the "lives" of the unborn they care so much about that also doesn't also by pure coincidence punish women.
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19th August 2022, 05:18 AM | #1914 |
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19th August 2022, 11:13 AM | #1916 |
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Unborn is key. They are not human beings. How exactly is it cruel? Real cruelty is putting unwanted children into a society that doesn't actually want them. A society that doesn’t want to provide needed water, food, housing, medicine, daycare, education etc.
Is it more cruel to scrape cells from a woman's uterus or force a woman to carry those cells and then deliver a baby and then raise it particularly if she's poor and possibly uneducated? Are you willing to pay more in taxes to raise these children? Also, don't forget. Reversing Roe v Wade will never stop those who have an unwanted pregnancy from terminating it. You're only demanding that poor women must remain pregnant. Another time where the GOP says "SCREW THE POOR." THE REPUBLICAN MOTTO. |
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19th August 2022, 01:07 PM | #1919 |
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Exactly.
You know what I really hate about this issue? It is STUPID on every level. I mean really really stupid. The people who want to equate those cells as babies don't give a damn about babies unless they are white christian babies. And not really many of them. So why do they want poor black and Hispanics to create more children? Do they want to pay more taxes to pay for everything that more people are going to require? Do they want more lines wherever they go? Do they want more traffic on the highway? Do they want more trash on the side of the road? Do they more pollution? Seriously. Isn't 338 million people enough? |
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