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Old 16th August 2022, 10:43 AM   #1841
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Originally Posted by RolandRat View Post
There's a video of MTG where she breaks character, looks up and says "this is insane" laughing at what she is saying. To me, she looks like she is playing a role, similar to how Boris Johnson plays a slightly dim, posh buffoon character.

The video of MTG is on the link below, 45 seconds in is where she "breaks character".

https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headqu...tm_name=iossmf

She knows what she is saying is bat-crap crazy, she also knows she can make a lot of money out of the idiots that believe this *****.
Jesus. She is a soulless parasite.
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Old 16th August 2022, 11:01 AM   #1842
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Hannity:


I've heard that phrase (the correct one) used a lot in the last few days -- every time I wondered when someone would get it wrong. I can't even be sure Hannity didn't misspeak on purpose, but I'm dying to make a Photoshop graphic of it.
It's no accident that the "if they can do this to a POTUS, then the FBI can do this to you" (or a variation thereof) fear mongering started almost immediately and was repeated ad nauseum by the Trump acolytes. It's like they got a memo that read "This is the phrase that needs to be pushed".
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Old 16th August 2022, 11:16 AM   #1843
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It's no accident that the "if they can do this to a POTUS, then the FBI can do this to you" (or a variation thereof) fear mongering started almost immediately and was repeated ad nauseum by the Trump acolytes. It's like they got a memo that read "This is the phrase that needs to be pushed".
And their targeted audience is so dumb that they don't understand the truthfulness of the message, which is along the lines of: If you steal government secrets and hide them in your basement, they can come get them from you.
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Old 16th August 2022, 11:26 AM   #1844
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
And their targeted audience is so dumb that they don't understand the truthfulness of the message, which is along the lines of: If you steal government secrets and hide them in your basement, they can come get them from you.
So true. The first time I heard that phrase used, I thought "Well, duh! If I broke the law by taking home documents I shouldn't have, they'd search my house, too. That's the FBI's job!"
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Old 16th August 2022, 11:31 AM   #1845
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
So true. The first time I heard that phrase used, I thought "Well, duh! If I broke the law by taking home documents I shouldn't have, they'd search my house, too. That's the FBI's job!"
Actually, the concept is reversed. It's not that "if they can do this to Trump, they can do it to you" it's "since they can do it to you, why can't they do it to Trump?"

Because, you damn straight they can do it to you. The feds carry out search warrants on citizens of the US every day.
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Old 16th August 2022, 12:36 PM   #1846
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"If they can do it to me, they can do it to you" is a very clever rhetoric: it suggests, contrary to all evidence, that there is no significant difference between the average Republican voter and the Elites of the GOP. The appeal is not "I'm the last line of defense for you", but "we are all victims together".
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Old 16th August 2022, 12:47 PM   #1847
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Actually, the concept is reversed. It's not that "if they can do this to Trump, they can do it to you" it's "since they can do it to you, why can't they do it to Trump?"

Because, you damn straight they can do it to you. The feds carry out search warrants on citizens of the US every day.
If they can do it to a former President, imagine what they can do to you.” Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., tweeted, “This #DepartmentofInjustice must be held accountable. It was President Trump today, but it’s you next if we don’t take a stand.”

"Rep. Andrew Clyde, R-Ga., tweeted, “If they weaponize the FBI to go after President Trump, they will surely weaponize the IRS’s 87,000 new agents to go after you.”

The above are from a very interesting article on how the GOP is "message laundering". It's well worth reading:

GOP ‘message laundering’ turns violent, extremist reactions to search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into acceptable political talking points
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Old 16th August 2022, 01:07 PM   #1848
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
"If they can do it to me, they can do it to you" is a very clever rhetoric: it suggests, contrary to all evidence, that there is no significant difference between the average Republican voter and the Elites of the GOP. The appeal is not "I'm the last line of defense for you", but "we are all victims together".
Exactly. Trump has long played the victim as "The most persecuted person in the history of our country". But, conservatives, in general, have often played the victim card. As this article in The Atlantic points out:

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After the attempted coup, the mood in the pro-Trump world became one of profoundest self-pity. The president’s supporters compare themselves to victims of Stalin’s purges, to the unpersons of George Orwell’s 1984. They watch their Twitter followers disappear as the company closes QAnon accounts, and they feel persecuted. They invoke Martin Niemöller’s famous poem about Nazi Germany: First they came for those who plotted the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, and I said nothing.
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Even as Trump commits one constitutional, legal, and ethical abuse after another, his followers depict themselves as somehow the people truly suffering unfairness. Trump was a perpetrator who thought himself a victim, and American society has indulged that same illusion among Trump supporters.

Hawley described himself as a victim of a “woke mob” after his publisher terminated his book contract because of his leadership role in propagating the falsehoods that inspired the attack. Cruz, who shoved himself to the forefront of the movement to overturn the 2020 election, has accused his critics, beginning with Biden, of “vicious, partisan rhetoric that tears our country apart.” The head of the American Conservative Union—a lobbyist married to Trump’s communications director—lamented that he and his fellow Trump supporters were being sent to a “digital Gulag.” A co-publisher of the conservative news site Human Events tweeted: “The conservative movement is about to face a level of collective discrimination by the institutions of our society not seen since Jim Crow.” The op-ed editor of the New York Post topped that analogy: “We're now going to see US sanctions—ŕ la Iraq and Iran—applied to religious conservatives, economic leftists and others who reject the reigning corporate woke orthodoxy. Oh, you don't think there are 157 genders? There goes your access to banking!”
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Old 16th August 2022, 01:13 PM   #1849
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
"Rep. Andrew Clyde, R-Ga., tweeted, “If they weaponize the FBI to go after President Trump, they will surely weaponize the IRS’s 87,000 new agents to go after you.”
Yeah, because that’s where the money is - nabbing rural Kentuckians who didn’t report the $180 they made from selling bad Jesus artwork at the township’s Christmas festival.
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Old 16th August 2022, 01:40 PM   #1850
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Yeah, because that’s where the money is - nabbing rural Kentuckians who didn’t report the $180 they made from selling bad Jesus artwork at the township’s Christmas festival.
Exactly. It's fear mongering message laundering. Combine people's established dislike of the IRS (I mean, who likes the IRS?) with persecution and you've got a great combination for outraging conservatives.
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Old 16th August 2022, 01:41 PM   #1851
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Yep. There's a deep, deep, deep cultural fear of "The Revenue Man" in a lot of rural US that goes even beyond simple "Nobody actually likes paying taxes" stuff.
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Old 16th August 2022, 01:47 PM   #1852
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Exactly. It's fear mongering message laundering. Combine people's established dislike of the IRS (I mean, who likes the IRS?) with persecution and you've got a great combination for outraging conservatives.
In Kentucky I believe the word is “revenooers”!
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Old 16th August 2022, 01:51 PM   #1853
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Old 16th August 2022, 02:03 PM   #1854
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I'm all for generating talking points -- but now I feel a bit foolish because the bit I was actually talking about is highlighted below.

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Hannity:
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I've heard that phrase (the correct one) used a lot in the last few days -- every time I wondered when someone would get it wrong. I can't even be sure Hannity didn't misspeak on purpose, but I'm dying to make a Photoshop graphic of it.
Mea culpa for not clarifying in the first place. Carry on!
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Old 16th August 2022, 02:06 PM   #1855
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I'm all for generating talking points -- but now I feel a bit foolish because the bit I was actually talking about is highlighted below.



Mea culpa for not clarifying in the first place. Carry on!
LOL! Talk about seeing what you expect to see and your brain filling it in for you! I never even noticed that!
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Looks like Sidney Powell and other Trump lawyers are in another heap o' trouble:

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Embattled Trump attorney Sidney Powell helped coordinate with a team of computer experts who succeeded in breaching Georgia election files in rural Coffee County and accessing election data that included voter check-in computers and ballot memory cards, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported. Local election officials reportedly gave the group access to equipment that was meant to be protected.
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Details about the breach and related efforts came to light last week through a subpoena issued to SullivanStrickler as part of an ongoing federal lawsuit over the security of Georgia's voting systems. Emails, texts, and other records produced on Friday indicate that the extent of the endeavor was more successful than previously reported.

"The breach is way beyond what we thought," David Cross, a lawyer representing the plaintiffs in the Georgia election lawsuit told The Post. "The scope of it is mind-blowing."
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It's no accident that the "if they can do this to a POTUS, then the FBI can do this to you" (or a variation thereof) fear mongering started almost immediately and was repeated ad nauseum by the Trump acolytes. It's like they got a memo that read "This is the phrase that needs to be pushed".
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And their targeted audience is so dumb that they don't understand the truthfulness of the message, which is along the lines of: If you steal government secrets and hide them in your basement, they can come get them from you.
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So true. The first time I heard that phrase used, I thought "Well, duh! If I broke the law by taking home documents I shouldn't have, they'd search my house, too. That's the FBI's job!"
It's true that for most rational people, the rational reaction would be to applaud the idea that nobody is either above or below the law. I suspect, though, that, for the intended audience (the folks whose ideas of politics are bumper-sticker deep), the focus of the message is not the ideal of an even-handed justice system, but rather on the "this"- the implication, as a given, that the "raid" itself was somehow unlawful, in spite of the fact that the law was strictly adhered to both in the issuance of the warrant and its execution.

My response to folks who want to rely on that meme would be along the lines of "at least Trump, unlike the Breonna Taylors in America, didn't have to worry about getting shot during the raid."
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Old 16th August 2022, 02:44 PM   #1858
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There's a video of MTG where she breaks character, looks up and says "this is insane" laughing at what she is saying. To me, she looks like she is playing a role, similar to how Boris Johnson plays a slightly dim, posh buffoon character.

The video of MTG is on the link below, 45 seconds in is where she "breaks character".

https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headqu...tm_name=iossmf

She knows what she is saying is bat-crap crazy, she also knows she can make a lot of money out of the idiots that believe this *****.
Your theory appears to be the only way to explain that clip.
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It's just like Trump's claim/threat that if he were impeached, it would result in every President being impeached as soon as the opposing party controlled Congress. He clearly did nothing wrong, so it was obvious persecution by his political enemies.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I'm all for generating talking points -- but now I feel a bit foolish because the bit I was actually talking about is highlighted below.



Mea culpa for not clarifying in the first place. Carry on!
Not sure what to call that sort of linguistic flip, malapropism(?), but it's done for humorous effect frequently if not commonly. Like a Yogi Berra (or George Bush) impression. I've done it, and numerous examples exist. I'm surprised you don't recognize it.
I'm 99% sure this example was intentional.
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Your theory appears to be the only way to explain that clip.
The funny thing is, it makes no difference either way. She's a despicable jackass no matter how you look at her.
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
Not sure what to call that sort of linguistic flip, malapropism(?), but it's done for humorous effect frequently if not commonly. Like a Yogi Berra (or George Bush) impression. I've done it, and numerous examples exist. I'm surprised you don't recognize it.
I'm 99% sure this example was intentional.
"Spoonerism", perhaps? I most commonly see that sort of thing when they use "overstate" or "underestimate" the exact opposite of the way they intend. (different definition, I know).
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I'm all for generating talking points -- but now I feel a bit foolish because the bit I was actually talking about is highlighted below.



Mea culpa for not clarifying in the first place. Carry on!
I got it from the start. Everything Hannity says is dotty and cross-eyed.
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If Trump gets his second term, he'll expect the whole government to work for him.
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Russians think Trump is losing his effectiveness (for them).
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Having recovered from their initial shock over the FBI’s search of Donald Trump’s Florida estate, Russian experts and pundits started to dismiss it as much ado about nothing, albeit a convenient tale they could use to smear American democracy. Now they’re singing a different tune. In the most recent broadcast of the state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, host Vladimir Solovyov remarked, “I’m very worried for our agent Trump. They found everything at Mar-a-Lago, they got packages of documents. In all seriousness, they say he should be executed as a person that was ready to hand off nuclear secrets to Russia.”
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As much as I dislike and distrust trump I couldn't believe this:
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“I’m very worried for our agent Trump...they say he should be executed as a person that was ready to hand off nuclear secrets to Russia.” - Russian-state TV show host Vladimir Solovyov.
But it's absolutely true. A Russian state TV host referred to trump as "our agent." (My ex-Boss etc.)

But that's not all, the International Business Times reports
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Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman of the Russian Foreign Ministry, also appeared on Solovyov's show where she blasted the FBI for raiding Trump's residence in a move that she claimed to be a "persecution." Zakharova also suggested that the raid is connected to Trump's stance on gender identity. "In the run-up to the upcoming electoral battles, one of the contenders for a political role— the most important political role in the United States — Donald Trump steps up and says, 'We've gone too far. There are only two genders: male and female.' Immediately, practically momentarily, dozens of cars of U.S. intelligence agencies, dozens—approaching hundreds — of special agents, FBI and so on, searched his home, seized boxes of some papers... and started to say that he broke the law," Zakharova said. IBT link
Would even donald trump hand off nuclear secrets to Russia? Hey, they know him well, probably better than most Americans do.
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I mean Russia is saying Trump is on their side, the Democrats are saying Trump is on Russia's side, but on the other hand Trump is saying he's on Russia's side.

I just don't know which side to believe; the side the says Trump is Russia's boy, the side that says Trump is Russia's boy, or the side that says Trump is Russia's boy.
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Burden of proof is on Trump on him not being a Russian asset.
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I mean Russia is saying Trump is on their side, the Democrats are saying Trump is on Russia's side, but on the other hand Trump is saying he's on Russia's side.

I just don't know which side to believe; the side the says Trump is Russia's boy, the side that says Trump is Russia's boy, or the side that says Trump is Russia's boy.
And no one is actually saying that Trump is not Russia's boy.
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You mean that the token the Dems selected isn't a viable candidate? Shocker.
Don't worry! Hillary will save us!
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Old 17th August 2022, 12:42 PM   #1871
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
If Trump gets his second term, he'll expect the whole government to work for him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...enda-2024-bid/
I'm all for going back to 19th century government and vote counting! Bring back the good old days when ward heelers would stand outside the polls and buy your vote with a couple shots of whiskey! And the KKK would be there to make sure no undesirables got in to vote!
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Old 17th August 2022, 12:47 PM   #1872
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
If Trump gets his second term, he'll expect the whole government to work for him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...enda-2024-bid/
L'Etat, Cest Moi.
Of course, I think that within six months, if Trump gets elected, The USA will be pretty much in a state of Civil War.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
As much as I dislike and distrust trump I couldn't believe this:

But it's absolutely true. A Russian state TV host referred to trump as "our agent." (My ex-Boss etc.)

But that's not all, the International Business Times reports


Would even donald trump hand off nuclear secrets to Russia? Hey, they know him well, probably better than most Americans do.
Are you kidding? For the right price, Trump would slit his mother's throat from ear to ear! (Yes, of course she's already dead, but he would exhume her.)
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Are you kidding? For the right price, Trump would slit his mother's throat from ear to ear! (Yes, of course she's already dead, but he would exhume her.)
Trump will slit his mother's throat for the right price and screw the deal up so bad he's wind up paying to do it, and still brag about it later.
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Old 17th August 2022, 02:19 PM   #1875
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
I'm all for going back to 19th century government and vote counting! Bring back the good old days when ward heelers would stand outside the polls and buy your vote with a couple shots of whiskey! And the KKK would be there to make sure no undesirables got in to vote!
Sadly, this is what republicans want. They've always hated voting rights for anyone who isn't white and male.
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Don't worry! Hillary will save us!
I'd rather have Hillary than Trump or ANY Republican.
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Old 17th August 2022, 06:32 PM   #1877
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I'd rather have Hillary than Trump or ANY Republican.
Hillary was so right about Trump.
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Hillary was so right about Trump.
The "basket of deplorables" was an understatement.
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Democrats need to do everything they can to make Trump the issue in this election.
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Trump will insist on being the issue - it's his second to last chance to be of relevance to the outcome.
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