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Old 16th August 2022, 11:51 PM   #401
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I, too, bet that some States will mess with the votes Post election in order to make the Republican Candidate win.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I, too, bet that some States will mess with the votes Post election in order to make the Republican Candidate win.
Yep.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
No surprise. Wyoming is full of Trump supporting election deniers. Idiots.
Reminds me of a line Gene Wilder said in Blazing Saddles.
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Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
Reminds me of a line Gene Wilder said in Blazing Saddles.
It IS the line Gene Wilder said in Blazing Saddles.

Which was ad-libbed if I correctly recall.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I, too, bet that some States will mess with the votes Post election in order to make the Republican Candidate win.
Why shouldn't they live up to their campaign promises?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I, too, bet that some States will mess with the votes Post election in order to make the Republican Candidate win.
And if that happens, whay will you do about it but bitch about it on the internet.
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Time for Progressives to reconsider their opisition to private gun ownership, folks.
Yes, I am old fashoined in I think an armed citizinery is the last line of resistence to tryanny. It's how this country got started.
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And if that happens, whay will you do about it but bitch about it on the internet.
Bitch about it all the way to the Supreme Court, and then bitch some more when said Court does a rerun of 2000.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Bitch about it all the way to the Supreme Court, and then bitch some more when said Court does a rerun of 2000.
You will bitch until they haul you away to a prison camp.
TIme to consider armer resistence, however much that clahes with your pacifism.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You will bitch until they haul you away to a prison camp.
TIme to consider armer resistence, however much that clahes with your pacifism.

Armed resistance ... Against whom?
Would it help shoot at those who try to override the election results?
Or maybe a 2nd amendment solution to balance the Supreme Court?

I'm perfectly willing to resist, but there must be something concrete to resist, like an unjust law.

No, the answer to Trouble rigging the election must be a General Strike.
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Real talk dude can you just start a thread about your Civil War?

I'm not even being snarky it could be an interesting discussion, you just have to stop being "ON with the Dial at 11" all the time in every political thread about it.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Armed resistance ... Against whom?
Would it help shoot at those who try to override the election results?
Or maybe a 2nd amendment solution to balance the Supreme Court?

I'm perfectly willing to resist, but there must be something concrete to resist, like an unjust law.

No, the answer to Trouble rigging the election must be a General Strike.

And when has a general strike worked? It's a pipe dream ,frankly, another delusional idea by Karl Marx, who was full of delusional ideas.
Bur armed resistence...a long history of wins.
You are living La La land.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And when has a general strike worked? It's a pipe dream ,frankly, another delusional idea by Karl Marx, who was full of delusional ideas.
Bur armed resistence...a long history of wins.
You are living La La land.
General strikes that were successful:
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The first US general strike — or one that involved workers from different industries — occurred in Philadelphia in 1835 to call for shorter workdays. The strikes began when coal workers went on strike to call for ten-hour workdays in early June. They were soon joined by carpenters, painters, bakers, and more.

Three weeks after the general strike, the city imposed a 10-hour workday and raised wages for some workers.
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The 8-hour workday was first proposed by Scottish socialist Robert Owen in 1817. Owen called for a day that consists of 8 equal hours of work, recreation, and rest.

Australia's labor union, the Operative Masons' Society, decided to call for 8-hour day based on Owen's viewpoint. After negotiations failed with building companies, stonemasons put down their tools and walked off their job at Melbourne University in April of 1856.

Months later, employees and the government agreed on an 8-hour workday without a dip in wages.

The 8-hour workday came to the U.S. first in the state of Illinois, where the state legislature passed a law mandating it in 1867. Many employers refused to cooperate, prompting a massive strike — and earning the nickname "May Day," Business Insider's Shana Lebowitz reported.

The 40-hour workweek wouldn't go national until October 24, 1940.[/QUOTE


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The US Postal Strike of 1970 brought mail delivery to a halt as 210,000 letter carriers stopped working for 8 days.
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Before the strike, letter carriers worked physically demanding jobs for long hours and with limited breaks. Many workers did not receive substantial pay raises even after decades on the job, according to HISTORY.

Despite laws that prohibit federal workers from striking, USPS letter carriers defied their union and 30% of them went on a nationwide strike for eight days, the largest walkout of federal employees in history. The event disrupted millions of mail and package deliveries, eventually resulting in a national emergency. Former President Richard Nixon even deployed the National Guard to deliver mail.

The strike eventually ended, and Congress approved a 6% wage hike for postal workers.
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In 2019, the United Auto Workers labor union for General Motors went on strike for 40 days for higher wages and better healthcare.
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General Motors (GM) workers went on strike for 40 days on September 16, 2019. The strike, which ended up costing GM about $2 million, ended when the worker's representatives made a deal with GM.

The contract both parties ultimately agreed on included an $11,000 signing bonus for each member, performance bonuses, two annual raises and lump-sum payments, and low premiums for worker's health benefits. It also allowed GM to close three US factories.
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He is talking about a General Strike to, basically, overthrow a government.
That has never worked very well.
I am not anti strike, I just think it's useful for traditional labor issues, but as some kind of tool for overthrowing a government ,,whch is what we are talking about....it has not worked very well.
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Expect to see a lot of Republican candidates suddenly discovering that the right to life begins about fifteen weeks into a pregnancy.

Why? Well a special election in New York saw the Democrat running a campaign on saving abortion, while the Republican ran on inflation and the economy. And in a seat that was very much in play, the Democrat won by 3 points.

Keep in mind, this is in New York, where abortion rights are not seriously threatened. Blake Masters is running in Arizona, where the GOP candidate for governor has promised to enforce a ban from territorial days (as compared to a 2021 law that bans abortion after fifteen weeks). Given the dramatic changes to Masters' stated position on abortion in just the last few days, it seems apparent that the polling in Arizona is indicating that a complete ban is a loser.

Things are definitely looking up a bit for the Democrats with inflation and gas prices subsiding. It will be interesting to see if today's bribe to recent college graduates (which BTW wipes out all the purported deficit reduction from the Inflation Reduction Act) gets them out to the polls in force. But I think it is reasonable to question whether the overturning of Roe is going to prove something of a pyrrhic victory for the GOP.
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Blake Masters scrubbed his campaign site of pro-life utterances. They are definitely seeing that the anti-abortion movement isn't popular with the general public.

Oh, and loan forgiveness is hardly a bribe. It's something that should've happened a long time ago and should be taken even further.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Blake Masters scrubbed his campaign site of pro-life utterances. They are definitely seeing that the anti-abortion movement isn't popular with the general public.

Oh, and loan forgiveness is hardly a bribe. It's something that should've happened a long time ago and should be taken even further.
He actually scrubbed 5 of 6 policies, mostly regarding "personhood" status and abortionists. He's all over the map on what his position actually is. All he knows is that he is "pro-life". Complete scumbag.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...site-rcna44808
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Expect to see a lot of Republican candidates suddenly discovering that the right to life begins about fifteen weeks into a pregnancy.

Why? Well a special election in New York saw the Democrat running a campaign on saving abortion, while the Republican ran on inflation and the economy. And in a seat that was very much in play, the Democrat won by 3 points.

Keep in mind, this is in New York, where abortion rights are not seriously threatened. Blake Masters is running in Arizona, where the GOP candidate for governor has promised to enforce a ban from territorial days (as compared to a 2021 law that bans abortion after fifteen weeks). Given the dramatic changes to Masters' stated position on abortion in just the last few days, it seems apparent that the polling in Arizona is indicating that a complete ban is a loser.

Things are definitely looking up a bit for the Democrats with inflation and gas prices subsiding. It will be interesting to see if today's bribe to recent college graduates (which BTW wipes out all the purported deficit reduction from the Inflation Reduction Act) gets them out to the polls in force. But I think it is reasonable to question whether the overturning of Roe is going to prove something of a pyrrhic victory for the GOP.
I think a main eason things are looking up for the Dems is that the extremist in the GOP are scaring the hell out of swing voters. The National GOP Has become a personality cult for Donald Trump. Trump is the GOP and the GOP is Trump. The GOP made the decision to embrace a bunch of extremist thinking they could somehow use them and then control them and the loons have taken over.
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Another problem is that because the field was so divided, extremist candidates won the GOP primary in a number of swing states. A ultra right winger might win in a solid red state but in a purple state it's a different story.
A lot of these candidates have never had to appeal to moderate or swing voters, and, franktly, a number of them seem totally clueless or incapable of doing so.
The GOP candidate in Pennlsyvania seems unable to deal with the mainstream media, for instance.
And that photo of in a COnfederate Unifrom won't help him.
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And that photo of in a COnfederate Unifrom won't help him.
That just hit the news cycle a few hours ago...
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That just hit the news cycle a few hours ago...
Penn. GOP Gov. Nominee Mastriano Wore Confederate Uniform In Army War College Photo, Report Says
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So far, in all special elections since the abortion ruling, Democrats have overperformed the polls and Republicans have underperformed. At this point, the Republicans would need to overperform to take the HoR or to have the margin in the Senate not grow. But I did just see a word of caution about that: the recent special elections happen to have been in districts with large colleges/universities, where the populations might have been more responsive to that particular issue than the general population.

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Time for Progressives to reconsider their opisition to private gun ownership, folks...
What leads you to the conclusion that Progressivism (as opposed to the misguided beliefs of some who have no idea of what the philosophy of Progressivism is when they label themselves Progressive) has anything against private firearm ownership?

Personally I don't know a single, legitimately Progressive person who doesn't own, or at the least, fully support the right to legally own, firearms so long as individuals aren't using them to threaten or attack others, or commit other criminal offenses with those weapons. I will acknowledge that these qualifications allow a large range of interpretive application, but that is a part of demanding a just and fair law enforcement and judicial system.

Much of this goes back to the discussion about Progressivism, and those who choose to call themselves progressive. as opposed to those who study and follow the ideals of Progressivism. But, that is a much larger discussion than the '22 US midterm election.
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What leads you to the conclusion that Progressivism (as opposed to the misguided beliefs of some who have no idea of what the philosophy of Progressivism is when they label themselves Progressive) has anything against private firearm ownership?

Personally I don't know a single, legitimately Progressive person who doesn't own, or at the least, fully support the right to legally own, firearms so long as individuals aren't using them to threaten or attack others, or commit other criminal offenses with those weapons. I will acknowledge that these qualifications allow a large range of interpretive application, but that is a part of demanding a just and fair law enforcement and judicial system.

Much of this goes back to the discussion about Progressivism, and those who choose to call themselves progressive. as opposed to those who study and follow the ideals of Progressivism. But, that is a much larger discussion than the '22 US midterm election.
Sorry but this "I have my own definition" routine just does not make it around here.
I base my statment about how overall the Progressive movement does not like guns on the constant stream of hostility toward guns you see on most progressive sites. It has become Dogma is quite a few Progressives.
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Arizona GOP Senate Candidate shoots himself in the foot..again.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...et/ar-AA11eUAx
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Arizona GOP Senate Candidate shoots himself in the foot..again.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...et/ar-AA11eUAx
And he did it on purpose because he thinks it will help him with his base.
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What leads you to the conclusion that Progressivism (as opposed to the misguided beliefs of some who have no idea of what the philosophy of Progressivism is when they label themselves Progressive) has anything against private firearm ownership?

Personally I don't know a single, legitimately Progressive person who doesn't own, or at the least, fully support the right to legally own, firearms so long as individuals aren't using them to threaten or attack others, or commit other criminal offenses with those weapons. I will acknowledge that these qualifications allow a large range of interpretive application, but that is a part of demanding a just and fair law enforcement and judicial system.

Much of this goes back to the discussion about Progressivism, and those who choose to call themselves progressive. as opposed to those who study and follow the ideals of Progressivism. But, that is a much larger discussion than the '22 US midterm election.
You clearly don't know many people. I would be happy if personal firearm ownership would be banned in . That said, I can't imagine being able to ban them in gun crazy America.

BTW, I grew up hunting. It's one thing to hunt deer, elk bear, rabbit, geese and other game. But I never needed an automatic weapon for hunting.

But unfortunately, I've been present for firearm homicides and had to deal with the aftermath. Let me know after you've seen fellow humans ripped apart by a nut with a gun.
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You clearly don't know many people. I would be happy if personal firearm ownership would be banned in . That said, I can't imagine being able to ban them in gun crazy America.

BTW, I grew up hunting. It's one thing to hunt deer, elk bear, rabbit, geese and other game. But I never needed an automatic weapon for hunting.

But unfortunately, I've been present for firearm homicides and had to deal with the aftermath. Let me know after you've seen fellow humans ripped apart by a nut with a gun.
I have 'round and 'round about this subject with folks here before and I really don't want it to get too heated.

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Old 29th August 2022, 09:05 PM   #431
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I have 'round and 'round about this subject with folks here before and I really don't want it to get too heated.

The 7 Best Coyote Rifles for Any Budget

The last two are semi-autos with smaller magazines.

https://www.fieldandstream.com/story...or-any-budget/
I never hunted for sport. It was for the meat. We hunted mostly for rabbit and pheasant back in Iowa. My father, me and my two brothers would go out on a Saturday and we'd come home with 40 rabbits. It was all about filling up the freezer.

I was given a shotgun and a bolt action rifle by my father. I was even an NRA member. But at that time, it was all about safety and responsible use of firearms.

So I get when a rural person wants those kind of guns.

But that was when we lived in Iowa. When you move to the big city guns become superfluous
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IMO, the 2nd amendment doesn't address hunting rifles at all.
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IMO, the 2nd amendment doesn't address hunting rifles at all.
I think people are misinterpreting the 2nd Amendment. But even if they're not, referring to a law made in the rural colonies of 1789 when a common firearm then was a musket and that means you should be able to own a semiautomatic AR-15 is obscene.

Think about the difference. 90 times the population. 3.9 million vs 330 million.
A gun you would be lucky to load in a minute to fire a single round and hard to hit anything further than 20 yards away
compared to an accurate rifle you could easily fire 60 times in a minute.

Thomas Jefferson was right about creating a system of laws for the future is folly.
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You clearly don't know many people. I would be happy if personal firearm ownership would be banned in . That said, I can't imagine being able to ban them in gun crazy America.

BTW, I grew up hunting. It's one thing to hunt deer, elk bear, rabbit, geese and other game. But I never needed an automatic weapon for hunting.
Even here in the gun-grabby UK, you can still own a gun, we don't attempt to ban gun ownership.

Shotgun licences are comparatively easy to obtain so long as you can demonstrate that you can store your gun and ammunition safely.

Rifle licences are much more difficult to obtain, but I know several people in the local (rural) area who have them and use them to control vermin and/or cull deer and boar.

Handguns OTOH are a no-no.
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Why? Well a special election in New York saw the Democrat running a campaign on saving abortion, while the Republican ran on inflation and the economy. And in a seat that was very much in play, the Democrat won by 3 points.
Molinaro isn't some obscure nutjob who rode a wave of crazy to the nomination. He's known statewide and has had a pretty good career to this point. Of course, it should also be noted that while Republicans are complaining about inflation and the economy, very few have offered any actual plans or solutions for either. Well, a few have offered tax cuts for the rich and deregulation.

As has been stated, Democrats are overperforming and Republicans are underperforming. Is this due to a wave of newly registered voters pissed off about Roe? That would explain why they aren't showing up in the major polls, which usually target "likely voters".

Or maybe it doesn't mean a damn thing.
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As always I hope sanity wins and I hope I'm wrong.

But "A hitherto unknown wave of unseen voters" is what the Democrats seemingly always pin their hopes to and it never happens.

Outside of minor fluxes in the margins you have to wins elections with the people already playing the game.

Voter turnout will be, at most, within a couple of percentage points of any other recent midterm, no more.
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Arizona GOP Senate Candidate shoots himself in the foot..again.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...et/ar-AA11eUAx
I have a lot of problems with Masters but they are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill there. Given the challenges the Fed faces right now, trumpeting their newfound diversity sounds a little like the captain of the Titanic noting that the deck chairs have been re-arranged.
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Yes the fact that conservatives hate diversity all the time is just a pure coincidence.

Why do conservatives always act like "not hating people" requires effort you have to take away from other things?

"I would stop being racists but I'm dealing with other stuff right now" is an... odd flex.
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Even here in the gun-grabby UK, you can still own a gun, we don't attempt to ban gun ownership.

Shotgun licences are comparatively easy to obtain so long as you can demonstrate that you can store your gun and ammunition safely.

Rifle licences are much more difficult to obtain, but I know several people in the local (rural) area who have them and use them to control vermin and/or cull deer and boar.

Handguns OTOH are a no-no.
Where in the UK do you live that boar are a problem you need to shoot? Heck even here in the wilds of Scotland we don't have that problem!
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