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16th August 2022, 06:58 AM | #161 |
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16th August 2022, 07:09 AM | #162 |
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Nonsense. Players talk to each other, about each other, and their performances all the time. We know it happens in the locker rooms, and it happens in public interviews as well.
But here's the thing:you and I aren't the players, here. We're the fans. And I keep hearing claims about how you all support one team followed by nothing but attacks on the team that you claim to support. When some guy wearing a Cowboys hat walks into a Steelers Bar and just hates on the team, any claims he makes that no, really, he's a Steelers fan are going to be just as believable as the "vote blue no matter who" claims made by those who can't stop telling people how bad blue is. Yeah, this thread is full of people saying how bad progressives are, rather than the other way around, isn't it? Oooh, ooh, tell me this outside group is the Lizardpeople overlords! |
16th August 2022, 07:21 AM | #163 |
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I'm holding out hope for a blue wave in November because the alternative has proven to be much worse than anticipated for most people, but if we get one, those people are going to want action. They're going to want justice. They're going to want protected abortion rights. They're going to want a balanced SCOTUS. If Dems are still in power next year, they're going to need to deliver on those. If all you've got in two years is all you've had here, BS about how one person is to blame and really you're the problem because how dare you accuse Dems of not being able to accomplish anything just because they can't accomplish anything don't you see you're being divisive, those voters will not show up again. They won't need anyone to tell them voting was a waste of their time. |
16th August 2022, 07:22 AM | #164 |
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Again why is nobody asking themselves why the Right doesn't have this problem?
And sure you can just shrug and spout off a truism about how it's because they are stupid and can't think for themselves and don't have any morals and all of that is 100% true but where does that get us exactly? |
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16th August 2022, 07:28 AM | #166 |
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If anything, we are the players and they are the ownership. Except we can't retire or quit.
The idea of politics as a spectator sport has caused untold damage and is the dynamic causing Trump in the first place. Horse race journalism that skipped over the fact that Trump was a lying fascist and went straight to whether being a lying fascist would affect his political prospects. These decisions affect real people. If it was just a matter of fandom and none of this directly affected me I'd never vote for the Democrats for the same reason I ignore the Pirates. I'm not in the business of encouraging incompetents who are taking my support for granted and leveraging same for personal gain. |
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16th August 2022, 07:55 AM | #169 |
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Gives us a goal, at least. What broke the mob was a crackdown on judiciary corruption and the courage to prosecute. The tools to address the issue were there, as they are today. What was lacking was the will to use them to their fullest. Idealism won out over pragmatism. We need to become willing to arrest half of congress in the pursuit of justice, if that's where it leads. Or even anyone in power at all, Mister Attorney General. Otherwise you're right, what good does it do us to hold the knowledge but lack conviction?
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And we're back to a point I've been making for years.
Basically the American dream right now is a Democratic (Centrist or Progressive literally nobody outside of political fanboys cares) who isn't a pussy. That's the one thing that Trump always understood on some level, somewhere in that tiny, malformed third testicle he called a brain that America was ripe, literally begging, for a leader who acted like not only they were right, but that it as so obviously that if you disagreed you weren't worth talking to. Again so nobody has to @ me about something I didn't say yes absolutely every functional way Trump put that into practice was new levels of horrible, but that's the spark he had that go him where it did. |
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16th August 2022, 08:03 AM | #171 |
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Ok, fine, I'll play your stupid game. Democrats as a party don't want to lose because they all, individually, campaign to actually win office. And once in office, 99% of them work together to win.
I can demonstrate that water is wet for you, next, if you need that as well. See, this is the whole bit where you demonstrate complete ignorance of the political realities. Saying that Manchin is a Dem is not "defending him". Saying that when 99% of the party votes one way, but Manchin votes the other, Manchin's actions reflect the party is demonstrably wrong. (Yes, the fact that Manchin's actions are against the rest of the party demonstrates that his actions don't represent the party for those who need it proven that water is wet again). And we see again and again these claims that "Dem leadership" should "bring him into line", but each and every time the person making that demand hasn't got the foggiest idea how that should be done. No, the number of Democratic Senators who voted the way you imagine they all wanted to. You certainly make it easy to find a quote of you saying what you went on to say in the very next sentence in that paragraph! That's nice. How, exactly, are Dems to balance the SCOTUS if they don't have two thirds of both houses of Congress? Oh, right, they can't. But that won't stop the people who are trying to convince everyone to vote GOP (or simply allow the GOP to win by not voting against them) from claiming it proves the Dems didn't want to do it. |
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16th August 2022, 08:11 AM | #173 |
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These decisions definitely affect real people. You, individually, are not in a position to make these decisions. You have to pick the person who is going to have the positions closest to yours. And when you do nothing but attack that person because they only want 99% of what you want, then you're working to promote the person who wants 0% of what you want. Because each of us influences those around us, and if your influence is "blues haven't earned my vote" then you've taken some number of votes away from blue and made red more likely to win.
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16th August 2022, 08:13 AM | #174 |
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This is so much why we need ranked choice voting, it cuts the argument out of all of this.
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16th August 2022, 08:44 AM | #175 |
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Where has this policy of ruthless triangulation gotten the Democratic Party? An existential battle with Donald Trump. No universal healthcare, a badly fraying safety net, disappearing civil rights, and a court crisis they seem determined to underestimate and ignore.
Good job? The idea that criticizing them is bad because it will make it harder for them to keep up their stellar record of guiding us into the abyss is the Democratic Party strategy in a nutshell. |
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16th August 2022, 08:51 AM | #177 |
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Ok, fine, continue in your strident efforts to get the Republican Party into permanent power. I'm sure that will get you universal healthcare, an improved safety net, restored civil rights, and a unified court.
Oh, wait, the Reps that you're assisting are the whole reason we don't have universal healthcare, and are the party working to erode the safety net, destroy our civil rights, and the Reps are the reason we have a Conservative majority on the SC. So, hey, you're backing the winners here! Too bad you, like most Rep voters, are working against your own self interest as long as you can stick it to those people who only work for 99% of the stuff you want. |
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You have this completely backwards. That the Democrats have failed to deliver is the reason we have conservative majorities. They have no path forward to get these things that is rooted in political reality, but somehow I'm the traitor to the cause for pointing this out.
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16th August 2022, 09:13 AM | #181 |
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Nonsense. In many ways even approaching universal healthcare with "Obamacare" and "death panels" was what helped the GOPers to get their majority. Dems are campaigning on strengthening the safety net, Reps are claiming it's a hammock for lazy people.
Wait, who voted for me? Or who did (my Senator) Raphael Warnock lie about and insult that voted for him? You seem to be mixing up a lot of things and thus your claims aren't really coherent here. If you won't put up with me attacking you, then I'm just going to keep attacking you! I'd rather have the GOP completely dismantle democracy than vote Dem! At least they'd let me keep complaining about stuff I don't understand! |
16th August 2022, 09:15 AM | #182 |
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Oh, my. I'd love to see you take this tact in real life. Some yahoo who has no clue how things are done tells you that you should just do "x". When you explain that there is literally nothing in your power to do "x", then they get to whine about passing the buck, incompetence, trying to lose, etc. Somehow I don't think you'd agree with that tactic, then.
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16th August 2022, 09:21 AM | #183 |
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Exactly. They had a massive majority, passed a GOP plan, and still lost their majority. It's a great example of political malpractice.
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16th August 2022, 09:32 AM | #184 |
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If you're going to claim the the thing the GOP was screaming about "deathpanels" over was a GOP plan, I don't think we live in the same reality.
You may or may not be voting GOP. We'll never know. All we know is that you're promoting their ideas, and attacking their opponents, usually with unfair demands or claims. Just like the GOP does, actually. 'Joe Biden caused gas prices to go too high, so you shouldn't vote Warnock because defund the police!' |
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I'm saying that not being able to handle something as stupid as the "deathpanels" nonsense is a sign of political incompetence.
They worry about what might happen when they lose power so much that they both don't use political power to the fullest when they do have it, and they haven't figured out that no matter what they do the GOP response is going to be a wave of bad faith BS. |
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Good thing no Democrat has ever claimed they'd force Manchin to vote however they want to, then.
Yet, here we are. Nobody claimed they'd be able to, they have literally no mechanism to do so, but we have yahoos claiming that the fact that they didn't do what they never said they'd do nor have the power to do is evidence that you should let the other team win. Well, you have the GOP bad faith BS, and then you have the "progressive" wave of bad faith BS, but sure, blame the people you helped smear for having been smeared. |
16th August 2022, 01:53 PM | #188 |
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What problem exactly? Did you miss the last 6 years where they were basically the victims of a hostel take over by a guy that was good buddies the the Clintons 7 years ago? Or the way where they've essentially expelled one of their most conservative members for insufficient revolutionary zeal?
Jonah Goldberg has a line about how both parties are basically competing for permanent minority status. |
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Can the rest of the Forward Party please keep Andrew Yang off television? He got savaged by Jim Acosta on Sunday afternoon. It was funny for a bit but after a while, I just wanted it to end.
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17th August 2022, 03:57 AM | #190 |
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It's not the messenger, it's the message.
Every political party in history has basically formed the same way. A bunch of people with similar political agendas gets together and forms a voting block. These loonies are trying to reverse the process, forming a political party and then deciding what their agenda is. I mean, you can say that their agenda is to unify and bipartisan and all that, but that ignores why political parties exist in the first place. People disagree about things, and some things people disagree about cannot be ignored or compromised away. |
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In time since I've last had to fill my gas tank Biden has, with only a 50/50 Congress
- Cancelled 3.9 billion dollar in student loan debt, the entire amount for students of what was the largest for profit university in the US. - Killed the leader of the largest terrorist group in the world. - The largest ever government action to stop climate change. - A 15% minimum tax on large corporations - All without being a national embarrassment. Yep, sure can't do anything. |
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I wonder whether it's an inability to communicate so much, or whether it's more simply not what people want to hear.
I still have ads on my TV/youtube videos from the GOP ranting and raving about Biden causing gas prices to be so high. I also still have the local yokels putting "I did that" Biden stickers on the gas pumps around here. Never mind that they're like down $1/per gallon from just a couple months ago, never mind that the President doesn't set prices, people around here just want to complain about it all being Biden's fault. I also get ads against my Dem Senator Warnock, complaining that because the cost of a burger is now $15, Warnock shouldn't have approved of some casino being built in some other state. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't have to. It's <bad thing> therefore Democrat's fault. What, Al-Zarwahiri was killed? Who? Who cares, gas prices were high a couple months ago argle bargle! What, we're taking action on climate change? Global warming is all fake anyhow and besides, Biden didn't get Manchin to vote for an abortion rights bill! |
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17th August 2022, 03:32 PM | #200 |
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That might just be what some radicals on the left want. under the idea that "The sooner we have fascism, the sooner we will have the revolution".
Problem with Suddenly and a couple of other here is they cannot accept that relatively few voters are as far to the left as they are. They think there is some vast lost tribe of left wing voters just waiting for hte right candidate or party to come along to lead them to the promised land. They are wrong, of course. |
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