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9th December 2021, 06:12 AM | #1 |
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RUST murder By accident? / Did NRA training Cause the Rust Accident?
If Alex Baldwin and witnesses are telling the truth that Alex never pulled the trigger, Alex is either,
(A) the Unluckyest man on earth. (B) survivor of a Murder attempt on his life. As evidence I give you this video. The sticking Trigger malfunction can occur but it's about as likely as winning the powerball, It can be engineered into the revolver however. Is this possible in this case or am I just being paranoid, because I know I could cause the gun to have that malfunction? |
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Hell yeah, this is the good stuff.
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Think about this a small piece of lead jamed into the trigger, holding it back, hammer pulled back, gun goes off lead falls out, lead missed by police Real murderer gets away. Now excuse me I have to go teach my Ex to shoot a Colt single action with Dummy bullets.
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Update, I checked the theory it works with my 1858 Remington, and didn't leave a mark on the brass frame.
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How?
Did the script call for Alex to point the gun at his head and pull the trigger? Is that the scene the murderer expected them to be rehearsing that day? How could the murderer even be sure nobody else would trip the mechanism before its time? This has to be the most bizarre and unreliable murder plot outside of an off-brand Agatha Christie book. |
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He knew Alex was working on his fast draw, he had just practiced with it, recently, and I am giving both Alex and the Armourer the benefit of the doubt in their public statements.
It hard to make a Murder look like an accident anyway you do it, and the intent might simply to be to Sabotage the production itself. |
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You're not claiming sabotage, though. You're claiming murder.
I can see giving Baldwin and the armorer the benefit of the doubt, as an interesting thought experiment in how else this could have happened. But I think what you've successfully demonstrated with this experiment is that the alternatives are so bizarre and implausible that the best approach is to simply not give Baldwin and the armorer the benefit of the doubt. |
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Yes. You claiming that they died as a result of a plot to intentionally kill someone.
You are not claiming that they died as an unexpected consequence of attempted sabotage. You introduced the sabotage idea, when I raised questions about the plausibility of a murder plot using the method you proposed. It seems to me that the method you proposed is extremely unreliable for guaranteeing a murder. It might be good for sabotage, but you are not claiming sabotage. You're claiming murder. Are you changing your claim from murder to sabotage? Do you now believe this wasn't a murder attempt, it was a sabotage attempt that resulted in someone dying? |
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OK, so convince us that the highlighted occurred, or at least persuade us that it is a realististic probability.
You appear to have abandoned your original hypothesis that this was an attempt on Baldwin's life in particular, in favour of an attempt to sabotage the production in general. Who would be so invested in this film not being completed that they would risk the death of crew members, and why? What makes this a more likely theory than a laissez faire attitude toward safety protocols on a relatively low budget production with a history of professional, unionised crew members quitting over these very issues? |
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I am actually hoping it was an accident, but a real bullet ready to go at battery in a gun everyone says malfunctioned, that's rather hard to believe, when I can rig one in ten seconds.
I know the old Cowboy trick it's been around longer than I have, do you think someone else knew it too? https://youtu.be/PASwJ1QI05o |
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Dude, get a grip. Why is this hard? Crew members had nothing to do, out in the middle of nowhere. Some of them brought live rounds to take the guns out plinking while they were doing nothing. One of the rounds stayed in one of the guns (for whatever reason). The weapon was not properly cleared prior to using it on set. Buy a whet stone and sharpen your Occam's razor would you?
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Well, I doubt the MAGA crowd will be queuing up for his films after his recurring role on SNL. It's not something I'd have previously thought anyone would try to kill over but these days... But honestly, this is too convoluted. Someone trying to shoot him for having mocked Trump, believable. Rigging a gun on a movie set in the hope he shoots himself/someone else by accident, no, too convoluted, dependent on everyone involved not following safety procedures and utterly dependent on sheer luck to hit anyone.
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