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Old 16th May 2022, 11:05 AM   #561
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In another illustration, of Putin's "insight" and "competence", Sweden and Finland are trying to join Nato. Way to go Putin!

But then with Putin's very incompetent invasion of the Ukraine along with his decades long corrupt rule of Russia, complete with rampant corruption and turning Russia into a vast kleptocracy in which Putin and his cronies benefit very much from said corruption, it should not be much of a surprise.

Putin is a clown it seems.
If only there was some historical parallel of a deranged dictator over-extending their reach by opening a second front when they hadn't mastered the first and it all going horribly, horribly wrong that he could learn from...
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Old 16th May 2022, 12:17 PM   #562
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If only there was some historical parallel of a deranged dictator over-extending their reach by opening a second front when they hadn't mastered the first and it all going horribly, horribly wrong that he could learn from...
If only, LOL.
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Old 17th May 2022, 04:15 AM   #563
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Ask, and ye shall receive.
From MoA:


Two points here:
Firstly, complaining that money for weapons will go to those who make weapons is just plain stupid. Of course it'll go to weapons manufacturers! Who else would it go to? Salmon farmers?
Secondly, the rest of the claim is unsubstantiated. There is a link in the article, but it makes no mention of enriching Ukrainian oligarchs, nor of the money not reaching those who need it.
CE: what evidence is there that the funds allocated by the US are going to the CIA and Ukrainian oligarchs? You wanted factual debate about this source, so here it is. Please indicate why you find this claim trustworthy, and provide the evidence to back that up.
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I note that this was another post-and-run from CE. No attempt has been made to substantiate these claims, nor to address the factual questions CE demanded we ask of his sources.
Claims dismissed due to lack of evidence, and also to lack of interest from the member posting these claims, in supporting them.
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Old 17th May 2022, 07:56 AM   #565
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
I note that this was another post-and-run from CE. No attempt has been made to substantiate these claims, nor to address the factual questions CE demanded we ask of his sources.
Claims dismissed due to lack of evidence, and also to lack of interest from the member posting these claims, in supporting them.
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And a dubious source.
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And a dubious source.
Sure, but dismissing a claim just because the source is dubious is kind of an ad hominem. Claims should be examined on their own merits.
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Old 17th May 2022, 12:13 PM   #567
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Sure, but dismissing a claim just because the source is dubious is kind of an ad hominem. Claims should be examined on their own merits.
As a heuristic, it's fine.

If one makes a claim about current affairs and linked to proven liar, Alex Jones and/or David Icke as the sources, I'm not going to bother searching through their sites to determine which parts are true and which are invented, I'll wait until something more credible comes along.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Sure, but dismissing a claim just because the source is dubious is kind of an ad hominem. Claims should be examined on their own merits.
Not really. A "source" that has a history of bias and inaccuracy is one that can be dismissed as having little credibility.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Sure, but dismissing a claim just because the source is dubious is kind of an ad hominem. Claims should be examined on their own merits.
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As a heuristic, it's fine.

If one makes a claim about current affairs and linked to proven liar, Alex Jones and/or David Icke as the sources, I'm not going to bother searching through their sites to determine which parts are true and which are invented, I'll wait until something more credible comes along.
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Not really. A "source" that has a history of bias and inaccuracy is one that can be dismissed as having little credibility.
Yup and an example.

If, say someone makes a pretty surprising claim and also says that David Icke is reliable, you can assume their surprising claim is rubbish.

If Alex Jones claims an anonymous informant tells him something shocking, you can dismiss it as almost certainly a lie.

If a journalist (or multiple journalists) with a reputation for integrity says that several anonymous sources in government have said something shocking, and they are speaking on condition of anonymity to protect, then it is a lot more reliable - especially if they could be sued for defamation if the story was untrue.
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Yup and an example.

If, say someone makes a pretty surprising claim and also says that David Icke is reliable, you can assume their surprising claim is rubbish.

If Alex Jones claims an anonymous informant tells him something shocking, you can dismiss it as almost certainly a lie.

If a journalist (or multiple journalists) with a reputation for integrity says that several anonymous sources in government have said something shocking, and they are speaking on condition of anonymity to protect, then it is a lot more reliable - especially if they could be sued for defamation if the story was untrue.
There's a difference between a claim and an argument. A claim necessarily depends either on the supporting evidence, or in the absences of evidence on the reputation of the claimant.

An argument - a reasoned path from premise(s) to conclusion(s) - depends on the acceptance of the premises, the quality of the supporting evidence, and the logic of the reasoning. The reputation of the arguer is completely irrelevant.

So it's reasonable to reject a claim by David Icke a priori, simply by virtue of David Icke being the claimant.

On the other hand, an actual argument by David Icke can and should be judged on its own merits. Though, if it's a valid argument (valid premises, valid evidence, valid logic, leading to valid conclusions), then anyone could make the same argument. Which is kind of the point.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
There's a difference between a claim and an argument. A claim necessarily depends either on the supporting evidence, or in the absences of evidence on the reputation of the claimant.

An argument - a reasoned path from premise(s) to conclusion(s) - depends on the acceptance of the premises, the quality of the supporting evidence, and the logic of the reasoning. The reputation of the arguer is completely irrelevant.

So it's reasonable to reject a claim by David Icke a priori, simply by virtue of David Icke being the claimant.

On the other hand, an actual argument by David Icke can and should be judged on its own merits. Though, if it's a valid argument (valid premises, valid evidence, valid logic, leading to valid conclusions), then anyone could make the same argument. Which is kind of the point.
Yup, I haven't seen an argument from Icke that didn't rest on ridiculous claims.
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I note that this was another post-and-run from CE. No attempt has been made to substantiate these claims, nor to address the factual questions CE demanded we ask of his sources.
Claims dismissed due to lack of evidence, and also to lack of interest from the member posting these claims, in supporting them.
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An unfortunate tactic to see here. Post-and-run is behavior for trying to promote an idea without having to defend it; which is to say, without regard to its merits.
Highly useful if you want to manipulate people. Damaging to credibility if it's recognized.
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An unfortunate tactic to see here. Post-and-run is behavior for trying to promote an idea without having to defend it; which is to say, without regard to its merits.
Highly useful if you want to manipulate people. Damaging to credibility if it's recognized.
In this case the credibility in question has been FUBAR for a while now.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
There's a difference between a claim and an argument. A claim necessarily depends either on the supporting evidence, or in the absences of evidence on the reputation of the claimant.



An argument - a reasoned path from premise(s) to conclusion(s) - depends on the acceptance of the premises, the quality of the supporting evidence, and the logic of the reasoning. The reputation of the arguer is completely irrelevant.



So it's reasonable to reject a claim by David Icke a priori, simply by virtue of David Icke being the claimant.



On the other hand, an actual argument by David Icke can and should be judged on its own merits. Though, if it's a valid argument (valid premises, valid evidence, valid logic, leading to valid conclusions), then anyone could make the same argument. Which is kind of the point.
Ah. A good description of the difference between ad hominem and an accusation of fallacious appeal to (unreliable) authority.

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Not really. A "source" that has a history of bias and inaccuracy is one that can be dismissed as having little credibility.
The problem I have with this is that it's open to personal cognitive biases. It is so easy to go from 'this source is unreliable, therefore I can dismiss their claims' to 'I don't like this source, therefore I can dismiss their claims.'
To quote an example from another thread, "Everything a Tory says is a lie." This is obviously not true: it's an example of extreme confirmation bias being used to dismiss claims without actually examining them.
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Not really. A "source" that has a history of bias and inaccuracy is one that can be dismissed as having little credibility.
It's a Source....an incredibly bad source buy technically a source.
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In this case the credibility in question has been FUBAR for a while now.
Serously, hit and run has been CE's tactic for a long,long, time.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
The problem I have with this is that it's open to personal cognitive biases. It is so easy to go from 'this source is unreliable, therefore I can dismiss their claims' to 'I don't like this source, therefore I can dismiss their claims.'
To quote an example from another thread, "Everything a Tory says is a lie." This is obviously not true: it's an example of extreme confirmation bias being used to dismiss claims without actually examining them.
It's a heuristic, so will be fuzzy round the edges, but Prison Planet or David Icke are nowhere near that. Nor are Russian or Iranian state media. They might tell the truth when convenient but you cannot rely on any claim without evidence, and be very dubious about Photoshops etc.
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It's a heuristic, so will be fuzzy round the edges, but Prison Planet or David Icke are nowhere near that. Nor are Russian or Iranian state media. They might tell the truth when convenient but you cannot rely on any claim without evidence, and be very dubious about Photoshops etc.
If a dubious source says something factual for some reason, you'll have already heard it from a reliable source. They're really quite worthless, except to scratch one's itch for dark humor.
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The economy of the United States and Europe is not supported by resources like that of Russia the sanctions will do them more harm than Russia, the Russians can sell their resources to other countries than those of the 'NATO, they wanted to conspire against Russia but they did more harm than good. They could have avoided the war by guaranteeing the neutrality of Ukraine and by respecting the Russian minorities on Ukrainian territory, but when you are dealing with corrupt leaders like Biden, Trudeau, Macron, Johnson and Zelinski, nothing else can happen. Only that, these leaders have no respect for human life, it is only corruption that allows them to stay in power.
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... but when you are dealing with corrupt leaders like Biden, Trudeau, Macron, Johnson and Zelinski, nothing else can happen. Only that, these leaders have no respect for human life, it is only corruption that allows them to stay in power.


Of the national leaders Putin, Biden, Trudeau, Macron, Johnson and Zelinski, which one has been in virtually total control of their country for over 20 years now?

Here's a hint, it's not any one of Biden, Trudeau, Macron, Johnson or Zelinski.
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... They could have avoided the war by guaranteeing the neutrality of Ukraine and by respecting the Russian minorities on Ukrainian territory ...
Same old lie.

In fact Putin thought he could walk in and grab Ukraine without a fight. What a dufus. And now he'll try to murder his way toward any advantage he thinks he can get. He prefers to kill civilians because they don't shoot back. Your hero.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
The economy of the United States and Europe is not supported by resources like that of Russia the sanctions will do them more harm than Russia, the Russians can sell their resources to other countries than those of the 'NATO, they wanted to conspire against Russia but they did more harm than good. They could have avoided the war by guaranteeing the neutrality of Ukraine and by respecting the Russian minorities on Ukrainian territory, but when you are dealing with corrupt leaders like Biden, Trudeau, Macron, Johnson and Zelinski, nothing else can happen. Only that, these leaders have no respect for human life, it is only corruption that allows them to stay in power.
So it is all about propping up Putin's economy after all.

Putin's fascist land grab could easily have been avoided by such simple tactics as not trying to bully independent nations into doing his bidding and not illegally crossing a recognised border when they told him where to shove it.

Putin's stormtroopers are making a poor job of their little escapade. It's almost as if they overestimated their own ability and underestimated the deeply held desire to shoot invading fascists.
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The economy of the United States and Europe is not supported by resources like that of Russia the sanctions will do them more harm than Russia, the Russians can sell their resources to other countries than those of the 'NATO, they wanted to conspire against Russia but they did more harm than good. They could have avoided the war by guaranteeing the neutrality of Ukraine and by respecting the Russian minorities on Ukrainian territory, but when you are dealing with corrupt leaders like Biden, Trudeau, Macron, Johnson and Zelinski, nothing else can happen. Only that, these leaders have no respect for human life, it is only corruption that allows them to stay in power.
Once again, reality poses some awkward questions to Gaetan, this time with regard to his comments on President Macron.

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Mr Macron has repeatedly spoken to Mr Putin by phone in an effort to broker a ceasefire and negotiations.

The French attempts to maintain a dialogue with the Kremlin leader contrast with the US and UK positions.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61691816

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Once again, reality poses some awkward questions to Gaetan, this time with regard to his comments on President Macron.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61691816

Gaetan: any comment?
He should talk to Biden, Johnson, Trudeau and Zelinski before Putin, that fellow is a corrupted hypocrite.

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He should talk to Biden, Johnson, Trudeau and Zelinski before Putin, that fellow is a corrupted hypocrite.
Do you then accept that Macron is not how you painted him?
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He should talk to Biden, Johnson, Trudeau and Zelinski before Putin, that fellow is a corrupted hypocrite.
Putin is a corrupt, fascist thug, propped up by other corrupt, fascist thugs.

The only talking he deserves involves a lead projectile so he should be grateful anyone even tries.
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