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Old 3rd April 2022, 10:16 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
You're just a one note wonder, aren't you?
Now now, Gaetan is perfectly logical here.
After all, he feels money is evil and Putin and his posse have ensured most Russians have virtually no money and are working hard at ensuring there will be even less.
AND
He thinks weapons are evil and Putin's army is destroying it's weapons quite quickly too.

So to Gaetan Putin is making the world a better place. We might all disagree, but his internal logic is consistent.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 10:46 AM   #322
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
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If you're just going to regurgitate BS Russian propaganda, there's no sense trying to reason with you. You have no interest in reality.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 10:53 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by threadworm View Post
Self defence tends to happen when you are attacked.

When was Russia attacked? Do dead children count as aggressors?
It wouldn't be wise to wait until your ennemy has the capacity to destroy your country.

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Old 3rd April 2022, 11:03 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It wouldn't be wise to wait until your ennemy has the capacity to destroy your country.
Russia is lying to you. Ukraine was never a military threat. Ukraine merely wants to stay independent from Russia.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 11:04 AM   #325
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It wouldn't be wise to wait until your ennemy has the capacity to destroy your country.
Gaetan, you can either be an adherent of Gandhi's most demented ideas or a paranoid and trigger-happy general straight out of the pages of bad Fallout fan fiction, but you can't be both. Pick one.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 11:21 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It wouldn't be wise to wait until your ennemy has the capacity to destroy your country.
So even if they gave up all their weapons, you should still attack them because they might decide to get some more some day. Got it.

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Old 3rd April 2022, 11:36 AM   #327
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Everyone has to get rid of their weapons except Russia, and for suresies they won't attack anyone.

We just have to turn our backs and try not to notice while Russia clears out the Ukrainian nazis, er, removes the secret Ukrainian missiles, er, keeps Ukrainians from bombing themselves, er, whatever the hell the excuse is this week, and everything will be dandy.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 11:58 AM   #328
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So even if they gave up all their weapons, you should still attack them because they might decide to get some more some day. Got it.

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Zelinski couldn't wait that Ukraine would be in NATO, hypersonic missiles and atom bombs was underway to be made.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 12:19 PM   #329
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Zelinski couldn't wait that Ukraine would be in NATO, hypersonic missiles and atom bombs was underway to be made.
Why would anyone believe this?
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Old 3rd April 2022, 12:19 PM   #330
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Zelinski couldn't wait that Ukraine would be in NATO, hypersonic missiles and atom bombs was underway to be made.
You serious?

The hypersonic missiles and nuclear weapons are all Russia's. Ukraine has none of those.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 12:40 PM   #331
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You serious?

The hypersonic missiles and nuclear weapons are all Russia's. Ukraine has none of those.
I'm beginning to wonder whether Gaetan has Russia and Ukraine mixed up. It would explain about 40% of his or her posts.

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Old 3rd April 2022, 12:42 PM   #332
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
I'm beginning to wonder whether Gaetan has Russia and Ukraine mixed up. It would explain about 40% of his or her posts.

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Even Putin seems confused about who's bombing who.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 12:47 PM   #333
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It wouldn't be wise to wait until your ennemy has the capacity to destroy your country.
How many hydrogen bombs does Russia have? Who has the capacity to destroy Russia without the assurance of it's own mutual destruction? Nobody. That's the point of nuclear deterrence. Certainly not Ukraine which gave up its nuclear weapons as part of the deal where Russia promised to respect its territorial integrity.

What do you imagine Russia feared Ukraine was going to do? Disable its nukes using witchcraft?
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Old 3rd April 2022, 02:34 PM   #334
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What do you imagine Russia feared Ukraine was going to do?
I put the links, Zelinski was planning to have nuclear weapons and was building hypersonic missiles and to be in NATO. And as far as i am conserned Russia should get rid of all their weapons and let China and NATO play together.

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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It wouldn't be wise to wait until your ennemy has the capacity to destroy your country.
But according to you, if Russia gave up all their weapons then Ukraine wouldn't want to destroy them at all!

So the logical and sensible thing to do would be for Russia to disarm.

Isn't that right?

Or don't you believe your own ideas?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
What does the Russia is self defence against dangerous fellows like Biden, Trudeau and Zelinski, Biden would do a lot worse if he would be at the seat of Putin...
Oh **** off. You've tried the old 'my argument has become indefensible, so I'll hide behind feigned illiteracy' ruse too many times now. The timing is always too convenient, and you long ago burned through any benefit-of-the-doubt you may have been given. I don't buy it anymore, and I don't think I'm alone.
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A bot programmed poorly - probably by a Russian?
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But according to you, if Russia gave up all their weapons then Ukraine wouldn't want to destroy them at all!

So the logical and sensible thing to do would be for Russia to disarm.

Isn't that right?

Or don't you believe your own ideas?
Putin is afraid of Ukraine and Nato and NATO and ukraine are afraid of Putin. I don't blame Putin to be afraid of Nato or Nato to be afraid of Putin, i am just. No american is going to take the apartment or the job of a Russian if Putin get rid of his weapons, or no russian will take the job of an american if US get rid of their weapons, all that money and research are spent in pure lost.
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Old 3rd April 2022, 03:44 PM   #339
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It wouldn't be wise to wait until your ennemy has the capacity to destroy your country.
You just paraphrased George W Bush and Dick Cheney.
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Putin is afraid of [...]
... dying before he builds the empire he imagines will make his memory great. He doesn't care how many innocents are slaughtered in the effort.

In other words, he's just another toxic narcissist harming others.
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Fake news in Kiev heralds cruel April
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
If you want a view on what is coming next from outside the pathetic Anglo "expert" circle jerk, read what this seasoned Indian diplomat has to say:

Fake news in Kiev heralds cruel April
What an extraordinary resource that is - if you want unfiltered Russian propaganda that is.

Apparently the Russian failure to capture Kyiv was, in fact, a masterful feint which allowed Russia to isolate Ukrainian forces in the East and Russia has achieved their military objectives and are in control of half of Ukraine.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
If you want a view on what is coming next from outside the pathetic Anglo "expert" circle jerk, read what this seasoned Indian diplomat has to say:

Fake news in Kiev heralds cruel April
What makes this person reliable in your eyes compared to other people analysing this conflict? Is it solely because he is pro-Russian?

Tbh the only thing I do find interesting is the Russian map of how they think the war is going. Outside of what Russia says there's nothing I've seen that suggests that Ukrainian forces in the Donbass region are surrounded.
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What makes this person reliable in your eyes compared to other people analysing this conflict? Is it solely because he is pro-Russian?
They parrot Russian Baghdad Bob quality propaganda verbatim every day of the week. Of course they feel a need to share it with people here and improve its exposure to search-engines.
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I put the links, Zelinski was planning to have nuclear weapons and was building hypersonic missiles and to be in NATO. And as far as i am conserned Russia should get rid of all their weapons and let China and NATO play together.
But you already told us not to believe anything in the media. Remember?
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They parrot Russian Baghdad Bob quality propaganda verbatim every day of the week. Of course they feel a need to share it with people here and improve its exposure to search-engines.
Every link posted to this forum has the tag rel=nofollow automatically added, so as not to contribute to that site's link count. This was done way back in order to avoid contributing to conspiracy theorist websites' google rankings. You can post links here all you want without fear of improving exposure to search engines.
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Originally Posted by Wildy View Post
What makes this person reliable in your eyes compared to other people analysing this conflict? Is it solely because he is pro-Russian?

Tbh the only thing I do find interesting is the Russian map of how they think the war is going. Outside of what Russia says there's nothing I've seen that suggests that Ukrainian forces in the Donbass region are surrounded.
The map has a lot of red shaded areas. For the purposes of the article these are assumed to be under Russian control whereas they seem to be areas in which there has been some Russian activity. The solid red areas seem to be a mixture of areas under Russian control and contested areas (if the maps published by the BBC and other Western sources are in any way accurate). The map does seem to be a much more optimistic indication of Russian progress.
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The map has a lot of red shaded areas. For the purposes of the article these are assumed to be under Russian control whereas they seem to be areas in which there has been some Russian activity. The solid red areas seem to be a mixture of areas under Russian control and contested areas (if the maps published by the BBC and other Western sources are in any way accurate). The map does seem to be a much more optimistic indication of Russian progress.
Maybe Putin believes it, that could be the problem.
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Here's the BBC map of Southern Ukraine. There seems to be much, much less under Russian control and indeed the small blobs of green indicate that Ukraine is attempting to counterattack with some success.
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India? Yeah, they're a good, independent source. Modi is stuck so far up Pooty's backside they'll need a digger to get him out.

Your link would be hilarious were it not for the enormity of the war crimes committed by your pal in Moscow.

A guy who's such a coward he hides in a bunker like a Trump crybaby and won't let anyone sit within 20 feet of him.
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Here's the BBC map of Southern Ukraine. There seems to be much, much less under Russian control and indeed the small blobs of green indicate that Ukraine is attempting to counterattack with some success.
I'm shocked at the mere thought that the Russian state would exaggerate the extent of their military advances!
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But you already told us not to believe anything in the media. Remember?
You have to uncritically accept the ridiculous disinfo sites that Gaetan likes. That's how the world works.

According to Gaetan.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
If you want a view on what is coming next from outside the pathetic Anglo "expert" circle jerk, read what this seasoned Indian diplomat has to say:

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I think this is begging the question. It seems like it is assuming that the west first found out about it with the videos and that it must take some length of time to get a statement condemning it. I don't know if those premises are true. I think those are being assumed from the conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
If you want a view on what is coming next from outside the pathetic Anglo "expert" circle jerk, read what this seasoned Indian diplomat has to say:

Fake news in Kiev heralds cruel April
So, some of the most optimistic takes I've seen on it in the West, is that it's a humiliating defeat for Russia. The linked article says it's all part of Russia's super-awesome tactics to achieve ultimate victory. Either way, the fact is that Russia is withdrawing from areas around Kyiv. More guarded Western media (ex. MSM that people hate) say that, yes, it's a military setback for Russia, but be prepared for more suffering.

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But the dark irony of this year’s “Aprilness” is going to be that the fecundity and renewal here will be about Russia’s regeneration in a world of both history and the myths spawned by quarantined western minds. - Indian Punchline
It's like they've learned the line in Western media (that Putin is poorly informed, perhaps due to a self-imposed quarantine), and turned it around to say the exact opposite! I've learned that on this forum over the years. The 'bad guys' (read: whoever is being critically or skeptically examined) learn the lingo and turn it around. For example, where some consider supernatural creation stories to be myths, they've turned it around and now call evolution a myth.

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Problem must be at your end. I just reconfirmed access to rt dot com from an entirely different internet connection in Denmark than yesterday. Site loads without problems.
rt.com is available in Canada.

I had a look. It's very interesting. Like the best lies, it contains a kernel of truth. On the one hand, there's an OP-ED headlined "Western media clubs together to white-wash Ukrainian Neo-Nazis". On the same page (as of today, Apr. 4) there's the headline "Elon Musk becomes Twitter's largest shareholder". That one's true.
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Gaetan, you can either be an adherent of Gandhi's most demented ideas or a paranoid and trigger-happy general straight out of the pages of bad Fallout fan fiction, but you can't be both. Pick one.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
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The horrorific images from BUcha don't make you question your blind support for Putin?
BTW that Indian article is a load of drivel.
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Old 4th April 2022, 02:43 PM   #358
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The horrorific images from BUcha don't make you question your blind support for Putin?
BTW that Indian article is a load of drivel.
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1511060668610457612

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Breaking News: Satellite images refute Russia’s claim that the killing of civilians in Bucha, a suburb of Ukraine's capital, occurred after its soldiers had left town, a New York Times analysis found.


https://t.co/2pDlly6EHs
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Old 4th April 2022, 03:09 PM   #359
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Putin is truly a monster who deserves to burn.
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Old 4th April 2022, 03:56 PM   #360
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I still love the way that Indian author in that article that CE posted buys the line that everthing in Ukraine is going just like Putin planned......and that last paragraph just makes no sense.
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