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View Poll Results: Do you agree or disagree to get rid of weapons?
Agree 22 32.35%
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Old 26th July 2022, 07:38 PM   #681
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
When a country need goods or ressources they don't threat them with their weapons they just pay the price on the market.
Russia invaded and stole Ukraine's grain at gunpoint.
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Old 27th July 2022, 01:42 PM   #682
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
Oh right sorry, i forgot, no one in history has ever gone to war to gain resources.
Yes but it was a long time ago, before the United Nation, now the wars are caused because of weapon threats from countries. Now on it is no more acceptable a war to steal ressources.
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Old 29th July 2022, 04:09 PM   #683
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Old 30th July 2022, 06:46 AM   #684
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
When a country need goods or ressources they don't threat them with their weapons they just pay the price on the market.

And if said "goods or ressources" from the originating country just aren't "on the market", or you just can't afford them?



Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Yes but it was a long time ago, before the United Nation, now the wars are caused because of weapon threats from countries. Now on it is no more acceptable a war to steal ressources.
And yet that is still exactly what happens when you control a country by force of arms. You gain control of their "goods or ressources". Whether anyone else finds it "acceptable" or not. Heck, I expect those having their "goods or ressources" taken by force of arms never found it "acceptable".


Fine, let's says that someone is trying to gain control of another countries "goods or ressources" by force of arms. Just what do you think those that find such an action as "no more acceptable" should do about it?
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Old 1st August 2022, 06:29 AM   #685
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Yes but it was a long time ago, before the United Nation, now the wars are caused because of weapon threats from countries. Now on it is no more acceptable a war to steal ressources.
He's right. Remember all those weapons of mass destruction they found in that country that may or may not have just happened to have a lot of oil?
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Old 1st September 2022, 08:54 AM   #686
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
He's right. Remember all those weapons of mass destruction they found in that country that may or may not have just happened to have a lot of oil?
If you consider it that way it is just one more reason to get rid of weapons. Beside that natural ressources on this planet should belongs to everybody or nobody no matter where you live.

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Old 1st September 2022, 08:57 AM   #687
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
If you consider it that way it is just one more reason to get rid of weapons.
And all those poor people starving is a reason to get rid of poverty and hunger. The problem is not that it's a good thing to do, it's that nobody's ever come up with anything remotely like a workable way to achieve it.

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Old 1st September 2022, 12:23 PM   #688
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
If you consider it that way it is just one more reason to get rid of weapons. Beside that natural ressources on this planet should belongs to everybody or nobody no matter where you live.
As I've told you before, convince your nation and your special friend Putin to eliminate ALL weapons for a decade. Once ten years of benefits become apparent, the rest of the world will decide to follow. Set an example.
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Old 7th September 2022, 05:21 PM   #689
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
If you consider it that way it is just one more reason to get rid of weapons. Beside that natural ressources on this planet should belongs to everybody or nobody no matter where you live.
That's a lovely idea. Unfortunately it bears absolutely no resemblance to reality.
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Old 8th September 2022, 04:14 AM   #690
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
If you consider it that way it is just one more reason to get rid of weapons. Beside that natural ressources on this planet should belongs to everybody or nobody no matter where you live.
What a noble sentiment!

However, you repeatedly destroy your noble sentiments by supporting murderers like Vladimir Putin.
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Old 8th September 2022, 04:53 PM   #691
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
What a noble sentiment!

However, you repeatedly destroy your noble sentiments by supporting murderers like Vladimir Putin.
He is just trying to defend his country against NATO aggressors.
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:08 PM   #692
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
He is just trying to defend his country against NATO aggressors.
You support genocide.
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:42 PM   #693
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
You support genocide.
A guy bother his neighbour and a fight begin, who is responsible?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
A guy bother his neighbour and a fight begin, who is responsible?
The guy who bothered his neighbour.

In other words, Putin.
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:53 PM   #695
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
The guy who bothered his neighbour.

In other words, Putin.
That's Zelinski and NATO leaders who began
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
That's Zelinski and NATO leaders who began
...massing troops on the borders of Russia for a year before invading?

Nope, didn't happen. It was the other way around.
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:58 PM   #697
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
He is just trying to defend his country against NATO aggressors.
Please give evidenced examples of this purpoted NATO aggression against Russia.

Please note that any NATO actions that occurred after Russia stole territory from another nation don't count.
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Old 8th September 2022, 06:44 PM   #698
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
He is just trying to defend his country against NATO aggressors.
Just repeating Po-Po's blundering propaganda verbatim, is that the idea? I guess that's one way to go.
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Just repeating Po-Po's blundering propaganda verbatim, is that the idea? I guess that's one way to go.
I don't hear Putin propaganda, all i hear is Trudeau or Biden propaganda but you know what? I don't believe them. They can say they love black but they hate them punto final.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
I don't hear Putin propaganda...
That's odd, since you repeat it word-for-word.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
I don't hear Putin propaganda, ...
LOL, good one.

Wait, you're not serious, are you?
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Old 8th September 2022, 09:46 PM   #702
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I'm not sure it matters anyway. To admit to making up nonsense and lies rather than believing that of others does not make them better for their freshness. Lies are not like tomatoes or fish.
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The Prime Minister of Canada and the President of the United States can say that they are against guns but they are among the main exporters of arming in the world to facilitate the task of people who kill each other, you must not believe what they say but believe what they do
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Old 9th September 2022, 07:33 AM   #704
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
The Prime Minister of Canada and the President of the United States can say that they are against guns but they are among the main exporters of arming in the world to facilitate the task of people who kill each other, you must not believe what they say but believe what they do
Here is your solution... if you're actually serious about any of this- which I doubt.

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As I've told you before, convince your nation and your special friend Putin to eliminate ALL weapons for a decade. Once ten years of benefits become apparent, the rest of the world will decide to follow. Set an example.
Get to work.
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Old 10th September 2022, 10:20 AM   #706
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
He is just trying to defend his country against NATO aggressors.
Well then if this is the case, then I finally understand why you want all of the nations of the world, except for Russia, to get rid of their weapons.

Because if all of the nations of the world, except for Russia, do get rid of their weapons, then it would be much, much easier for Russia to take over the world.
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Old 15th September 2022, 05:56 PM   #707
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That's a lovely idea. Unfortunately it bears absolutely no resemblance to reality.
The British spent centuries helping others share their natural resources with them.

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I'm a little confused about the latest off-topic split, since I for one was asking some very pertinent and on-topic questions. But okay.
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