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8th August 2022, 09:01 PM | #1 |
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FBI Raid Trump's house at Mar-a-Lago
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I have mixed feelings about the news of the FBI raiding Trump's lair. I mean, the guy is a ******* of course, but it does not really have a "good look" vibe about it if it appears to be politically motivated. I think most people would have had a bad reaction if Trump's DOJ had sent the FBI to raid Hillary Clinton's house. But this thread from Ken White argues that the bar for getting this warrant is presumably high and he believes it will have passed the necessary oversight. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1556777965937037312 So what do you think? Give me your hot takes! Is this a low-down dirty tricks maneuvre by the radical woke agenda or something? Is this perfectly above board? Is it way past time that this happened? Or, are you one of those feeble-minded people who want to wait for the "dust to settle" and for "evidence" and "reason" before coming to a judgment? Let's have a heated debate! |
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This is not complicated: Trump stole Top Secret documents when he left the White House, the National Archives demand them back.
Since he didn't give them back willingly, the FBI had to go and get them. I just hope Trump will have to pay for the costs of the Raid, as well as face criminal charges for taking the documents (almost certainly obstruction of justice). What I find most hopeful is that his Secret Service Detail seems to not have given him the heads-up on the upcoming Raid, suggesting that the Service is not a complete Trump Fanclub yet. |
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Is this a low-down dirty tricks maneuvre by the radical woke agenda or something? No
Is this perfectly above board? Yes Is it way past time that this happened? Yes Or, are you one of those feeble-minded people who want to wait for the "dust to settle" and for "evidence" and "reason" before coming to a judgment? No ...but it does not really have a "good look" vibe about it if it appears to be politically motivated. I think most people would have had a bad reaction if Trump's DOJ had sent the FBI to raid Hillary Clinton's house.Who else is going to serve a search warrant on a twice-impeached criminal ex-president who tried to lead an armed insurrection on the Capitol to prevent the peaceful transfer of power? Noteworthy: Around this time last year, and a little before, there were a number of Fat Orange Turd apologists posting here, who insisted that the January 6 attack could not have been an insurrection because the rioters were not armed with firearms. We now know, thanks to the Jan 6 Committee investigation, that in fact, not only that the mob were armed with firearms, but that The Fat Orange Turd KNEW they were armed, and tried to have the metal detectors turned off so that even more armed members could get in. Those Fat Orange Turd apologists have gone very quiet all of a sudden... I wonder why that is? . . |
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8th August 2022, 09:46 PM | #4 |
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I agree with Ken White. And he has the background being a former Fed. prosecutor. This is being spun as politically motivated by the usual suspects and that was certainly expected by the DOJ and judge that signed off on the warrant app. This is way more than just classified docs that DJT took back on Jan 20, 2021. Way more. But it is likely to include "other" material from Jan 2021 that is of more interest.
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"It's so unfair to have an unannounced raid! They should have had the decency to give me enough time to attempt to flush the documents and all my coke down the toilet before they got here. WITCH HUNT!!!"
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8th August 2022, 10:15 PM | #7 |
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Well, as Popehat says...
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He says that it really depends on what is in the warrant. If Trump ends up showing the warrant and saying what they were looking for then maybe we will know. Do we know what is in the warrant? Do we have strong evidence for knowing what was in the warrant? Meanwhile, of course, the right-wing loonies are freaking out and melting down. Kind of amusing to see, BUT also some of the stuff they are saying looks to me like THEY should be getting a visit from the FBI.... |
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8th August 2022, 10:26 PM | #10 |
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Indeed. But then this would appear to be incorrect, no?
If it just for some documents, then is it heavy-handed? And if it is not for the documents, then what is it for? This is why I am in "wait and see" mode rather than confidently asserting that I know why this was done and it was justified. I think that is over-confidence. But of course, anyone over-confidently asserting it is an abuse of federal power also clearly either has no idea if they are correct, or they are full-on Trump apologists who would literally support Trump shooting a guy on Main Street. True Homelander fans. |
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8th August 2022, 11:15 PM | #11 |
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Its fun to speculate
Other than the obvious (more illegally retained documents), there could be any other number of things that led to this. Maybe someone working in Mar-A-Lardo has seen something and reported it to the DOJ/FBI? Has the J6 Select Committee had testimony or seen documents that relate to J6 or some other criminality, and reported this to the DoJ? Remember, the J6 is sharing much, if not most, of what they have with DoJ. The Fat Orange Turd is up to his neck in criminality, and it seems like an enormous operation just to retrieve some stolen documents, so while I am adopting a wait and see position, I do suspect there is something else going on here, maybe as well as the obvious. |
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8th August 2022, 11:21 PM | #12 |
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Jeffrey Epstein's little black book?
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8th August 2022, 11:22 PM | #13 |
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It was a beautiful raid. A tremendous raid. The best raid anyone has ever done.
I was just talking to a guy and he said "Sir, that was the most bigly raid ever." Truly spectacular. |
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I would love it if it had all come from the Alex Jones phone records!
I know, I know... Meanwhile, some right-wingers are pointing out that the Clintons took furniture from the White House and haven't seen the FBI raid them to get that back yet! I mean, that's a good point, right? |
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Trump's statement. I do not believe Donny had anything to do with this directly. Far more likely it was a transcript of some rambling comments, subsequently edited and enhanced by one of his untergruppenfuhrers.
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And of course all the republicans are whining on twitter. Turd Cruz tweeted that the White House have weaponized the DOJ/FBI to target political enemies...
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Does anyone else recall all of the bitching and complaining that the POS Trump did concerning the private e-mail server that Hillary Clinton used while she was Secretary of State?
He was endlessly chanting "Lock her Up! Lock her Up!". Also, since that POS Trump always likes to say that he is on the side of "Law and Order", then this legal search should be no problem for him, assuming that he actually does support "Law and Order". |
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The satisfyingly ironic part is that this is the same type of (alleged) offence that prompted the “Lock her up!” chants and and hours of public congressional investigations into Clinton’s email server.
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Hot take? you got it
It is almost certainly true that other presidents violated this statute. But only Trump gets targeted because he did it egregiously and publicly? It is an injustice that punishment is unevenly applied to those who produce evidence of a crime. justice is supposed to be blind. |
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The likelihood that every single record in a 4 year span was properly handled, when an incredible amount of records are generated, is unlikely. Mistakes happen
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It's not just some documents. Trump is alleged to have taken documents that, by law, belong to the National Archives, including classified documents whose removal and retention is punishable by up to five years in prison.
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OK, so let's accept for argument's sake for just a moment that the Democrats HAVE "weaponised" the FBI for political gain and to attack Donny. Given their parlous polls situation, wouldn't it be logical to expect they will start using any and all the evidence they pilfered from Mar-a-Lardo IMMEDIATELY to denigrate Trumpy and launch a scathing attack on him and all his associates? It would be a goldmine of grifty goodness, surely, that they could use. Because that's exactly what Trumpy says he fears in his Trothe Sential post.
So it's been nearly 24 hours now... Anyone got any reports of a Democrat landslide release of juicy Trumpy tid-bits? Photos of Trumpy eating official records in a taco? Even just one salacious tale of peeing on beds? ...anything? |
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My hot take on this is that, since they never did raid Clinton's house, this pretty much proves that the FBI doesn't carry out politically-motivated raids. Because I'd bet good money that there was at least one moment where Trump demanded such a raid, and the FBI refused to do it without some actual evidence to support the need for a raid. Considering how many times Trump actually did use his power to take revenge on those he imagined had wronged him, it's a safe bet he at least tried to do the same to Hillary. |
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Because Hillary didn't actually do anything wrong. Trump did. This is not complicated. Do not pretend it is to manufacture a moral outage debate that isn't there.
If the Right and their apologists could pull themselves out of "I don't understand why being wrong/evil/lawbreaking is treated differently then being correct/not evil/law abiding. I mean is suuuuuuuuuuuch a double standard." that would be just super-duper. |
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