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Old 12th August 2022, 08:59 AM   #1
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Author Salman Rushdie, attacked, possibly stabbed onstage in New York

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/us/sa...ked/index.html
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Old 12th August 2022, 09:38 AM   #2
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Horrible. If Rushdie doesn't make it, will Iran pay the Pakistani murderer the 3 million bounty?
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Definitely a stabbing. Live BBC feed here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62524833

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Mark Sommer of Buffalo News has been hearing from more eyewitnesses. He tells the BBC News Channel that the attacker apparently emerged from the audience wearing a black mask, jumped on stage and began attacking Rushdie.

Shortly after, ten to 15 people who were there to see the talk rushed to Rushdie's aid and subdued the assailant. Rushdie was on the ground for five minutes or so before being helped up and walked off the stage. He was later evacuated by helicopter.

Sommer said that Rushdie often travelled with a lot security.

"It's hard to believe he wouldn't have had significant security [with him]," he says.

"Apparently it was literally within seconds from the start of the programme that this attacker rushed the stage."
Let's hope this indicates that his injuries are not life-threatening.
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Definitely a stabbing. Live BBC feed here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62524833
Eeeesh. 75 year old man "stabbed in neck" doesn't sound too good.

The earlier reports were more vague on the actual nature of the attack, early reporting and all that.
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Old 12th August 2022, 09:49 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Eeeesh. 75 year old man "stabbed in neck" doesn't sound too good.

The earlier reports were more vague on the actual nature of the attack, early reporting and all that.
Stabbed multiple times and stabbed in the neck (presumably at least once). We can infer that the neck wound was very likely not superficial from the state of the white panel behind him.
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Stabbed multiple times and stabbed in the neck (presumably at least once). We can infer that the neck wound was very likely not superficial from the state of the white panel behind him.
From the previously linked BBC article, he appears to have been laying in a pool of blood. There seems to be some question as to whether or not he actually walked off stage on his own.
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From the previously linked BBC article, he appears to have been laying in a pool of blood. There seems to be some question as to whether or not he actually walked off stage on his own.
BBC report from 10 minutes ago says he's in surgery.
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This is very local for me, so I'll add some background and details that may or may not help.

I haven't spoken to any of my law enforcement acquaintances (but I am sure I won't be able to stop one retired one from telling me more than he or I should know about it sometime this weekend). However, Chautauqua Institution used to have armed guards but the county sheriff stopped that when he was elected. I don't know about hired security for sure yet, but I know there was only going to be one State Police officer there for this event.

The average age for people going to The Institution for events like this is something like just shy of 70. Reports are the audience stopped the attacker, but chances are good there were a few sixteen year old staffers who jumped on him first.

The Institution attracts a lot of 'religious scholars' and some of them really are. It is an interesting mix of the some of the kindest, most thoughtful, knowledgeable and deliberative rich people one could hope to meet and some of the most self-important, entitled, bratty, rich religious cranks who are convinced they have spiritual powers getting them into heaven when you're going to burn for not helping them put away their groceries from Wegmans even though you don't work at Wegmans. That isn't even a slight exaggeration. If I had a nickle for every time an Institute goer demanded labor from me at a place I did not work I'd have like a dozen nickles, but it's still weird it happened more than once. They actually really do make demands like having special parking at Wegmans, which they do not get, based on them 'being the only reason the area can afford a Wegmans in the first place'. (Which isn't true, tourism is something like 3rd for Chautauqua county's income after Manufacturing and Agriculture, and even then iirc comedy tourism for things like Lucyfest long ago surpassed The Institute for even that pool of money.)

There are Muslims locally, who are as about the least radical people you'd ever meet. This isn't to say there are not radical local religious groups, but they're as far as I'm aware all Christian Nationalists ones.

EDIT: Oh, and listen for some hilarious ways to pronounce 'Chautauqua', which is actually 'shuh·taa·kwuh'. It's the only known word surviving from the language of the Cat people, who the Seneca genocided during the Beaver Wars.
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From the previously linked BBC article, he appears to have been laying in a pool of blood. There seems to be some question as to whether or not he actually walked off stage on his own.
I can't see how he walked from that. Video of this was available showing people going to that area on stage to attend him. I would have to guess that such video would be taken very shortly after the attack.

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He's apparently in emergency surgery now.
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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/salman-rushdie-stabbed-eyewitnesses-say-he-was-hit-10-15-times-it-lasted-20-seconds-3250217

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Author Salman Rushdie, being stabbed at an event in New York State on Friday, suffered "10 to 15" blows in the attack, eyewitnesses said. One of them said she thought it was "a stunt" at first.
"This guy ran on to platform and started pounding on Mr Rushdie," said Rabbi Charles Savenor, who was in the audience for the lecture at Chautauqua Institution, about 100 km from the city.


A reporter from AP said the attacker "punched or stabbed Mr Rushdie 10 to 15 times".


"At first you're like, ‘What's going on?' And then it became abundantly clear in a few seconds that he was being beaten," Mr Savenor told the news agency. He said the attack lasted about 20 seconds.


A woman from the audience, Kathleen Jones, said the attacker was dressed in black, with a black mask. “We thought perhaps it was part of a stunt to show that there's still a lot of controversy around this author. But it became evident in a few seconds” that it wasn't, she was quoted as saying.


Mr Rushdie fell to the floor immediately, and the attacker was restrained. A small group of people surrounded the author, holding up his legs, presumably to send more blood to his chest, AP reported.
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
This is very local for me, so I'll add some background and details that may or may not help.

I haven't spoken to any of my law enforcement acquaintances (but I am sure I won't be able to stop one retired one from telling me more than he or I should know about it sometime this weekend). However, Chautauqua Institution used to have armed guards but the county sheriff stopped that when he was elected. I don't know about hired security for sure yet, but I know there was only going to be one State Police officer there for this event.
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Anybody know why? The place is legendary, and it's also a major tourist destination. I would think there'd be some pressure on the sheriff to support it.
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Police seem to be slowon information about the attacker.
But, I would bet a lot of money that it is a Islamic nutjob.
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A horrific event.

Also a reminder of how I loathe Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens.
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Anybody know why? The place is legendary, and it's also a major tourist destination. I would think there'd be some pressure on the sheriff to support it.
I'm not sure. Keep in mind that I didn't find out about that change until today, several years after it happened. Chances are good it's because they hardly ever had any call to be there outside of famous speakers coming. Why it was only a single trooper there, and no county sheriff staff, I also haven't found out yet. None of the smaller departments that I know of (Lakewood-Busti, Jamestown PD, etc) have jurisdiction there, so it would be the County Sheriff's Office or State Troopers.
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Police seem to be slowon information about the attacker.
But, I would bet a lot of money that it is a Islamic nutjob.
"Police detained a suspect named as Hadi Matar, 24, from Fairview, New Jersey."

Earlier reports identified him as a Pakistani-American. I'm gonna go ahead and assume this was delayed revenge for insulting the Prophet. No comment yet from Khamenei.
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There are (admittedly sketchy) reports of blood spurting out from Rushdie's neck - which would imply a severed main blood vessel to the brain, most probably one of the carotid arteries. And if the reports are reasonably accurate, plus when they're coupled to reports of a large pool of (Rushdie's) blood at the scene..... I would tend to think that unfortunately he doesn't stand much of a chance of meaningful* survival.

Even though Rushdie was seemingly attended to immediately by a doctor who happened to be in the audience, there's nothing that anyone at the scene could have done to deal with the severance of a major blood vessel supplying the brain (if that is indeed what happened). Even paramedics wouldn't have been of much use: it would have taken connection to specialist equipment in a major trauma unit to resupply oxygenated blood to the brain. My guess is that he's already on life support and that his brain has suffered irreversible anoxia. And regrettable I think we'll hear within the next few hours that he has died (though of course I hope I'm wrong - if my assumed information/evidence is erroneous/incomplete).


* I say "meaningful" in the sense of the resumption of anything even remotely approaching a normal life - he could potentially be technically kept alive in an intensive care setting for quite some time, but without ever gaining consciousness.

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Not good news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62528689

He was attacked on stage, and is now on a ventilator and unable to speak, Andrew Wylie said in a statement, adding that the author will lose one eye.
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"Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged," his agent, Andrew Wylie said.
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Not good news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62528689

He was attacked on stage, and is now on a ventilator and unable to speak, Andrew Wylie said in a statement, adding that the author will lose one eye.
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"Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged," his agent, Andrew Wylie said.

Not good at all. And another negative pointer from that article is the apparent reactions of some of those treating/tending to Rushdie in the immediate aftermath of the attack: the very fact (seemingly) that people were saying things like "He's still got a pulse" and "He's still alive" suggest that 1) Rushdie was not conscious, and 2) there was immediate concern that he might be dead.

I have to add that I'm slightly confused by his agent saying on the one hand that Rushdie is on a ventilator, and on the other hand talking about him losing an eye and having injuries to his arm and liver. I believe Rushdie's problems are way more severe than that (and the (apparent) fact that he quickly lost consciousness, and that there was neck-spurting & pooling blood, are both pretty clear indicators that his cardiovascular system had become significantly compromised/damaged, especially concerning his brain).

I guess the "fog of war" can go some way to explaining the confusion and mixed messages the media is relaying at the moment. The next few hours will tell.
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Definitely a stabbing. Live BBC feed here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62524833



Let's hope this indicates that his injuries are not life-threatening.
Well, I guess that report that he walked off with assistance wasn't true. I just hope he pulls through.
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Salman Rushdie once came to my flat for tea.

I was at the cinema with my friend Cynthia to see, if I remember correctly, a movie called "River's Edge". Cynthia was good friends with a woman called Kathy Acker, who I also knew a little, and by sheer coincidence we bumped into Kathy in the same cinema after the movie, and she was there on a date with Salman Rushdie. We all talked about the film and wanted to carry on doing so, and I lived about five minutes away, so everyone came back to mine and I made tea. While I was in the kitchen boiling the kettle, I phoned my mum to let her know that Salman Rushdie was sitting on the floor of my living room - I think it was the only time she was actually impressed with me.

A few weeks later I met him again as he was doing a reading at the ICA and I was DJing there. His reading wasn't very good, and seemed to go on for ages, and I don't think he remembered me at all. But he probably had other things on his mind at that point as just a month or so later, the fatwa was issued and his life changed for ever.

Oh look, someone else remembers it too: https://www.spokenwordarchive.org.uk...nst-censorship

(I think he's wrong to say that the fatwa had already been issued - that didn't happen for another month or so.)
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Salman Rushdie once came to my flat for tea.

I was at the cinema with my friend Cynthia to see, if I remember correctly, a movie called "River's Edge". Cynthia was good friends with a woman called Kathy Acker, who I also knew a little, and by sheer coincidence we bumped into Kathy in the same cinema after the movie, and she was there on a date with Salman Rushdie. We all talked about the film and wanted to carry on doing so, and I lived about five minutes away, so everyone came back to mine and I made tea. While I was in the kitchen boiling the kettle, I phoned my mum to let her know that Salman Rushdie was sitting on the floor of my living room - I think it was the only time she was actually impressed with me.

A few weeks later I met him again as he was doing a reading at the ICA and I was DJing there. His reading wasn't very good, and seemed to go on for ages, and I don't think he remembered me at all. But he probably had other things on his mind at that point as just a month or so later, the fatwa was issued and his life changed for ever.

Oh look, someone else remembers it too: https://www.spokenwordarchive.org.uk...nst-censorship

(I think he's wrong to say that the fatwa had already been issued - that didn't happen for another month or so.)
That's really cool. I've read books by both Salman Rushdie and Kathy Acker.
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I'm not sure. Keep in mind that I didn't find out about that change until today, several years after it happened. Chances are good it's because they hardly ever had any call to be there outside of famous speakers coming. Why it was only a single trooper there, and no county sheriff staff, I also haven't found out yet. None of the smaller departments that I know of (Lakewood-Busti, Jamestown PD, etc) have jurisdiction there, so it would be the County Sheriff's Office or State Troopers.

If the agencies wouldn't do it themselves, the place itself could have hired off-duty cops to provide security, like nightclubs, concert halls and a lot of other public facilities. In fact, I'm surprised Rushdie's contract didn't require a certain level of protection. This shouldn't have been possible.

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If the agencies wouldn't do it themselves, the place itself could have hired off-duty cops to provide security, like nightclubs, concert halls and a lot of other public facilities. In fact, I'm surprised Rushdie's contract didn't require a certain level of protection. This shouldn't have been possible.
As it turns out it stopped because of liability and insurance reasons for patrol cars regarding the private roads and control the Institute has over that. Two sheriffs ago the patrols started. The last sheriff was told about the liability issue and dismissed it. The current sheriff took the information to the county board, they investigated, and found out that yes, the county would be on the hook directly for any damages. The county wasn't willing to take that risk any longer, and the Institute refused to amend their insurance to fix the issue.

Keep in mind the director of the Institution said in a press conference after the attack that they didn't want to add security because they've always been an open place.
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That's really cool. I've read books by both Salman Rushdie and Kathy Acker.
I was going to say, you know it's an event when Kathy Acker comes for tea and that's not even the main story.
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As it turns out it stopped because of liability and insurance reasons for patrol cars regarding the private roads and control the Institute has over that. Two sheriffs ago the patrols started. The last sheriff was told about the liability issue and dismissed it. The current sheriff took the information to the county board, they investigated, and found out that yes, the county would be on the hook directly for any damages. The county wasn't willing to take that risk any longer, and the Institute refused to amend their insurance to fix the issue.

Keep in mind the director of the Institution said in a press conference after the attack that they didn't want to add security because they've always been an open place.

And now it sounds like Rushdie could lose an eye. This guy needs to resign or be fired today. He's not living in the 21st century. His attitude endangers everyone who lives at, works at or visits the institution.

I attended a concert last night at a large venue where patrons had to walk through metal detectors and submit to bag inspections. Private security guards and uniformed police were conspicuous. That has become the norm today, for better or worse.
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A horrific event.

Also a reminder of how I loathe Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
A horrific event.

Also a reminder of how I loathe Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens.
*Bites tongue on obvious bad taste gag...*
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Old 13th August 2022, 11:33 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
A horrific event.

Also a reminder of how I loathe Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens.
I thought he switched back at some point?
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Old 13th August 2022, 12:04 PM   #30
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I thought he switched back at some point?
Switched back to what... playing music for big cash? Posing as a "peace warrior"? He's a vile pos and a liar.
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Old 13th August 2022, 12:47 PM   #31
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Possibly?

How can you not know?
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Old 13th August 2022, 07:37 PM   #32
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When I heard the attacker was 24, my instant thought was that he was but a twinkle in his father's eye when the brouhaha over The Satanic Verses was instigated. If this is indeed a delayed action from that old (and yes, reconfirmed in 2017) fatwa, then this just adds more fuel for my burning hatred of all organized religion. The insanity is that Man has convinced himself that he must do the deeds that his supposedly all powerful sky daddy somehow cannot or will not. Proof positive, to me, that God was made in the image of Man, rather than the other way round.
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Old 13th August 2022, 07:38 PM   #33
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Holy, crap!

He's apparently off the ventilator and talking!

I thought I'd be reading very different news today.


https://apnews.com/article/salman-rushdie-on-ventilator-after-new-york-stabbing-5ea54212d71b95569ed85df7b0fb5fea

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MAYVILLE, N.Y. (AP) — “The Satanic Verses” author Salman Rushdie was taken off a ventilator and able to talk Saturday, a day after he was stabbed as he prepared to give a lecture in upstate New York.

Rushdie remained hospitalized with serious injuries, but fellow author Aatish Taseer tweeted in the evening that he was “off the ventilator and talking (and joking).” Rushdie’s agent, Andrew Wylie, confirmed that information without offering further details.
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Originally Posted by cosmicaug View Post
Holy, crap!

He's apparently off the ventilator and talking!

I thought I'd be reading very different news today.


https://apnews.com/article/salman-rushdie-on-ventilator-after-new-york-stabbing-5ea54212d71b95569ed85df7b0fb5fea
That's good news!

I see the POS attacker is a POS.

"Earlier in the day, the man accused of attacking him Friday at the Chautauqua Institution, a nonprofit education and retreat center, pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and assault charges in what a prosecutor called a “preplanned” crime."

Pleading not guilty when caught in broad daylight?
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
That's good news!

I see the POS attacker is a POS.

"Earlier in the day, the man accused of attacking him Friday at the Chautauqua Institution, a nonprofit education and retreat center, pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and assault charges in what a prosecutor called a “preplanned” crime."

Pleading not guilty when caught in broad daylight?
I'm sure the brave warrior wants his time in the spotlight that a trial will provide. What would be the point of pleading guilty?
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
That's good news!

I see the POS attacker is a POS.

"Earlier in the day, the man accused of attacking him Friday at the Chautauqua Institution, a nonprofit education and retreat center, pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and assault charges in what a prosecutor called a “preplanned” crime."

Pleading not guilty when caught in broad daylight?

That's standard when any suspect is arraigned in the US. Pleading guilty would foreclose the ability to bargain the charges and possible sentencing recommendation down.
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True, and it suggests that the attacker knows a bit about the US legal system.
But it is odd for a Holy Warrior wanting to take credit for his defense of the Faith.
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Old 14th August 2022, 05:51 AM   #38
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That's standard when any suspect is arraigned in the US. Pleading guilty would foreclose the ability to bargain the charges and possible sentencing recommendation down.
Guilt isn't just about the act, but the law. His lawyers might plead insanity or some other defense/excuse, or might claim that the particular charge is wrong.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
True, and it suggests that the attacker knows a bit about the US legal system.
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Chances are, his lawyer does.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
True, and it suggests that the attacker knows a bit about the US legal system.
But it is odd for a Holy Warrior wanting to take credit for his defense of the Faith.
I imagine we'll find there's some get-out rule about how morally righteous it is to use the infidels' own laws against them, and that lying or committing all sorts of crimes is totally okay so long as it's done to confound the unbelievers.
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