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Old 12th November 2005, 05:40 PM   #521
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I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected him from your city. -Pat Robertson
That's okay. They'll know the disaster is coming because of science, they'll know how to react because of science, and they'll know how to recover because of science. They might even be able to prevent the disaster because of science.

When a disaster is in your area, turn to rational thought. It's much more productive than bloviating about your angry imaginary friend.
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Old 12th November 2005, 08:26 PM   #522
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Old 13th November 2005, 01:47 PM   #523
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I SO wish I still had a copy of National Lampoon magazine from about twenty years ago. They published a cartoon that depicted a circle of what appeared to be lizards, standing in a tight huddle on a beach. One of the lizards was glaring suspiciously over his shoulders into the treeline. The caption was "The Conspiracy Theory of Evolution".

Grr, I wish I still had it!
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Old 13th November 2005, 10:21 PM   #524
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If you guys aren't regular Panda's Thumb readers, you're missing the laugh of a lifetime:

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/...i_finds_t.html

Demsbski making a complete fool of himself. It's a riot!
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Old 14th November 2005, 12:17 AM   #525
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He may be advocating "Intelligent Design", but he could use a bit of "smart" himself....
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Old 14th November 2005, 06:22 AM   #526
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Great link! Thanks, Delphi.

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Old 14th November 2005, 10:43 AM   #527
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
If you guys aren't regular Panda's Thumb readers, you're missing the laugh of a lifetime:

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/...i_finds_t.html

Demsbski making a complete fool of himself. It's a riot!
That is sooooooooooooooo utterly sad. Only the fact that so many are falling for his tripe makes its sadness pale in comparison.
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Old 14th November 2005, 10:51 AM   #528
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The final sessions transcripts are now available at aclupa.blogspot (see OP for details of web address). These include the closing argument for the defense.

It's every bit as shallow and stupid as one might have hoped/feared. Classic use of the "evolution is a mere theory, not a fact" lie, lots of "well, the board members did this, but you can't infer the the board's intentions from what the individual members did," "documents are irrelevant because actions speak louder than words," and the classic quote

"How can adding books to the school library be a bad thing? It is not."

as though that were the only issue in the case.
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Old 14th November 2005, 01:27 PM   #529
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Originally Posted by drkitten View Post
....and the classic quote

"How can adding books to the school library be a bad thing? It is not."

as though that were the only issue in the case.
OK, I'll add:

The Koran
Justine
Ulysses
Mein Kampf
The Woman's Guide to Anal Sex

How can this possibly be a bad thing?
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Old 14th November 2005, 06:01 PM   #530
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Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
Mein Kampf
"There are two theories about the existence of a Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy, and teaching both will improve students' critical thinking abilities and make the study of history more interesting for them. HEIL HITLER! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! DEUTSCHLAND DEUTSCHLAND UBER A-ALLES... oops, I just 'mispoke'. Obviously despite these few words quoted out of context, the Big Evil Jewish Conspiracy Theory is in no way Nazi or anti-semitic... whew... I think I got away with that one."
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Old 14th November 2005, 06:06 PM   #531
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How can this possibly be a bad thing?
As long as you make sure to explicitly endorse the material contained in these books in class I see no problem with your idea.
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Old 14th November 2005, 06:06 PM   #532
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I'm suing the Adequate County School Board just so I can hear Dr. Adequate testify about the scientific nature of the Intelligent Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy Theory.

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Old 14th November 2005, 07:45 PM   #533
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Oops. Did I say "Jews"? How last year of me. I misspoke again. I should have said "Intelligent Cosmopolitans". This theory of course has nothing to do with Jews whatsoever.

It may be my personal belief that the Intelligent Cosmopolitans behind history, economics, and culture are Jews, but my strictly scientific hypothesis is that these things all have a designer IT'S THE JEWS, MEIN FUEHRER, DIE JUDEN, JA! JA! ... excuse me... [wrenches right arm down in a Dr Strangelove kind of way] but this scientific hypothesis of the "Intelligent Cosmopolitans" does not mention any particular race. It could even be space aliens I'M TAKING ABOUT JEWS DAMMIT... ooos, misspoke again. Yes, aliens! Evil, miscengenating HOOK-NOSED ALIENS... oops, I'm off again.
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Old 15th November 2005, 12:00 AM   #534
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I see no problems with putting the ID book in the fiction section of the library.
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Old 15th November 2005, 06:09 AM   #535
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I note that the acronym for Intelligent Cosmopolitans is IC. Veeeerrry interesting.

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Old 15th November 2005, 06:50 AM   #536
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Originally Posted by Dr Adequate View Post
(Note: "Cosmopolitans" is an anti-Semitic codeword for "Jews" when they want their intended audience, but not the casual observer, to know that they're being anti-semitic.)
Ironic, considering that 'cosmopolitan' means "one whose allegiance is not given to any particular city-state, but is a citizen of the universe". It hasn't been an accurate codeword since the formation of Israel.
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Old 15th November 2005, 07:13 AM   #537
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As long as you make sure to explicitly endorse the material contained in these books in class I see no problem with your idea.
Delphi? Did you really miss Diamond's irony? I can't believe that. It was meant to be fed back to (read: shoved back down the throats of) those making the original comment, and it was meant to be clearly unacceptable in their eyes.
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Old 15th November 2005, 07:25 AM   #538
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Hmmm. Did someone miss the irony of delphi_ote's response?
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Ironic, considering that 'cosmopolitan' means "one whose allegiance is not given to any particular city-state, but is a citizen of the universe". It hasn't been an accurate codeword since the formation of Israel.
Is your suggestion that all Jews' allegiance is given to Israel?

If so, I'm afraid that you're completely innaccurate.
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Is your suggestion that all Jews' allegiance is given to Israel?

If so, I'm afraid that you're completely innaccurate.
But this codeword is being applied to Jews who do give their allegiance to Israel. Thus the inaccuracy.
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Old 15th November 2005, 08:10 AM   #541
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Delphi? Did you really miss Diamond's irony? I can't believe that. It was meant to be fed back to (read: shoved back down the throats of) those making the original comment, and it was meant to be clearly unacceptable in their eyes.
Let's treat the books exactly like Pandas and People and take time out of the day to give the students the impression that the contents of these books is an adequate substitute for what's being taught in science class. I'm sure the intelligent design advocates will have no problem with this.

I think it's a great idea.

P.S. As with my previous post, this post is sarcasm.
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P.S. As with my previous post, this post is sarcasm.
Are you being serious? Surely, you don't mean that?
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Old 15th November 2005, 08:48 AM   #543
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Are you being serious? Surely, you don't mean that?
Shirley he jests?
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Is your suggestion that all Jews' allegiance is given to Israel?

If so, I'm afraid that you're completely innaccurate.
Yeah, I'll testify to that.
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Old 15th November 2005, 11:49 AM   #545
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How long has Creationism and ID been around? No research worth a damn.

But with Flying Spagetti Monsterism we have serious work going on:

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/...g-breakin.html

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Something must be done. I made spaghetti the other night, in honor of his noodliness. My son still hates spaghetti! He wouldn't have a bite! Any advice? He'll eat any other noodle, but won't partake of the spaghettieism
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Shirley he jests?
Come now. Let's not bring Shirley into this!
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Something must be done. I made spaghetti the other night, in honor of his noodliness. My son still hates spaghetti! He wouldn't have a bite! Any advice? He'll eat any other noodle, but won't partake of the spaghettieism
The noodle directed scepticism of youth can often be assuaged by cheese.
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Something must be done. I made spaghetti the other night, in honor of his noodliness. My son still hates spaghetti! He wouldn't have a bite! Any advice? He'll eat any other noodle, but won't partake of the spaghettieism
No worries. Pastafarians aren't gluten-snobs like some religions. It is enough to partake of any sort of pasta dish, from the creamy Fettucini Alfredo, through the educational Alphabet Soup, right down to the ever-humble KD/Mac-and-Cheese for the starving students/artists among the faithful. It is all suitably reverential in the eyes of Him, our most Noodly Creator.

After all, the sacred offerings of Saint Boyardee come in over fourty varieties worldwide.

It's all good.

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His Noodliness is ever munificent. She is pleased with whatever you eat, even if not pastafarious, as long as you merely give a sidelong glance to the sky while chowing down.

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Something must be done. I made spaghetti the other night, in honor of his noodliness. My son still hates spaghetti! He wouldn't have a bite! Any advice? He'll eat any other noodle, but won't partake of the spaghettieism
crucify him crucify him
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If your son doesn't know a question on a test, he shouldn't come crying to His Noodliness, 'cause the FSM might not be there for him.
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We haven't had a poll on this and I think the time has come....
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Come now. Let's not bring Shirley into this!
Agreed, so long as we're talking about Shirley, the Pastafarian.
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Wow, you're right. I hadn't looked at the journals.

I just noticed Henry Schaefer's name on the list of ISCID fellows. And he's a fellow of the Discovery Institute, too. He is a very very big noise indeed in quantum chemistry. I hadn't realised he was an IDer.
Yeah, he's fine as long as he sticks with computational chemistry. Other than that, he is out there.

(he started at Berkeley but didn't stay there too long. Didn't quite fit in...)
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Could the plaintiffs conceivably still drop the suit, even though the final arguments have already been made?
To answer my own question....


Backing out of lawsuit possible, but not simple
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To answer my own question....


Backing out of lawsuit possible, but not simple
Wow! While I don't blame the new board for trying this, the old board still needs to answer for its bull. It is a shame the answer, slapping and fines need to be at the expense of the new board. And, of course, a judicial decision squarely against this garbage would be a wonderful shot over the bow of ID's weenie little paper boat, and I would rather see the caliber about to be shot, then have to wait for round II.
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To answer my own question....


Backing out of lawsuit possible, but not simple
You KNOW how the ID community is going to spin this... awful awful awful.
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You KNOW how the ID community is going to spin this... awful awful awful.
Wah! The g-d secular humanists won't let us be heard. We will prevail as soon as we rid 'murica of the pinkos in the closet. Oops, sorry, wrong decade! Rid 'murica of the cults of Satan responsible for secular humanism and its handmaiden, Science. It is NO accident Satan and Science both start with 'S'! Am I right, brothers? Can I get a witness?
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Am I right, brothers? Can I get a witness?
Judging from this trial, yes, but not a good one.

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