Psychics and Missing People

[chillzero]

Originally Posted by rjh01

This is one of the longer serious threads I have read. No serious derailments or the like. I think KellyJ needs to get an award or some such thing for this thread and the other things she has done.

Well she can have a big pat on the back from me.

I second that - big round of applause for Kelly.

[ChristineR]

The "Carla Baron" on Dead Famous and Fear is the "psychic." She lists it on her website. It may or may not be the "Carla Baron" in Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-a-rama. I've seen that movie--pretty forgettable, but it does have its share of unclad female bodies. If anyone cares to watch it, it's fairly easy to find.

Does anyone think one of these women is Carla Baron? I'm pretty sure the actress in front is "Carla Baron."

If so, embarassing pictures of her are as close as your local video store.

[Luke T.]

Originally Posted by ChristineR

The "Carla Baron" on Dead Famous and Fear is the "psychic." She lists it on her website. It may or may not be the "Carla Baron" in Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-a-rama. I've seen that movie--pretty forgettable, but it does have its share of unclad female bodies. If anyone cares to watch it, it's fairly easy to find.

Does anyone think one of these women is Carla Baron? I'm pretty sure the actress in front is "Carla Baron."

If so, embarassing pictures of her are as close as your local video store.

This site has a photo of the psychic Carla Baron.

Here is a video montage of psychic Carla Baron. In one portion, she channels Jim Morrison!

There does appear to be a resemblance to the soft porn actress.

[ChristineR]

Another image of scream-queen Carla Baron:

This is from an adult site. The image is an inoffensive head shot.

http://www.mrskin.com/data/star/00/3...pic2_25610.jpg

Well, the eighties hair and make up are kind of offensive, but the image has no nudity.

[Luke T.]

Forum rules prevent me from writing what I imagine a psychic reading on the set of a porn movie would be like.

Only a predator psychic could make a job in the porn industry look respectable.

[Kiless]

Gosh, you could make a great skeptical porn that makes fun of psychics.

'Yes, I see a big development in your future....ooooooo yeahh.....'

[tsg]

I'm not trying to start a fight. Just my $0.02 and I'll shut up about it.

Whether or not Carla Baron used to be a soft-core porn star really shouldn't be an issue. It's no more than poisoning the well. While the morality of acting in adult films may be an issue for some, the focus should be on her actions as a psychic. Refute her claims of having "helped find" missing people because that's what's important. "Oh yeah, and she used to be a porn star" is just petty, in my opinion, and says nothing one way or the other about her abilities to find people. I'm not defending her as a psychic, mind you, but if the point is that psychics do more harm than good, then let's focus on the psychic aspect and less on previous work histories that don't have anything to do with it.

Okay, I'm off my soapbox. Rant over.

[elaine]

Great job Kelly, on making a difference!

[ChristineR]

Interestingly, her career hasn't really changed much. Before she was making sleazy B-movies with supernatural themes. Now she's making sleazy "based on a true story" movies with supernatural themes. I haven't seen Dead Famous or Fear but apparently she was playing a fictional psychic who happened to be just like "real" psychic Carla Baron. Now if in younger days she showed more skin, that doesn't bother me. She started getting jobs in a genre (B-horror) that pretty demands it, and eventually the clothes came off. I wonder if she thought it was a natural transtition from the pretty girl who gets butchered in the third act to the mysterious, somewhat more mature but still attractive, psychic who warns the pretty girl (and gets butchered for her good intentions)--and at some point, decided to play the part in real life.

She has apparently had more success acting for desperate people than she did acting for late night movie audiences.

All this assumes it really is the same woman, of course.

[Roadtoad]

TSG has made a valid point. We could go on and on about Carla Baron's past in porn, whether it's true or not, but the reality is that the Carla Baron we need to be discussing is the one who's subjecting people searching for missing loved ones to emotional blackmail.

Enough is enough.

[Kelly]

I don't really care if Baron was a soft porn star or not. My level of respect for her was at the bottom before, so it can't go any lower. As mentioned, I would only use this info as a very last resort for a family who was considering using her "services". There are some Christians who would ignore that the bible clearly states we are not to delve into this type of thing our of desperation. They may not be able to ignore that, coupled with what they would most likely deem as a huge morals issue. They would not want to associate with someone who did that for a living.

Who knows, I may never have to use it, but I did want to have it checked out for the record. I only have one family I assist right now who recently worked with her. I emailed them a couple of months ago, asking about the outcome, and they did not respond. Since they already have her guesses in hand, there is no reason to discuss anything else. At some point in time, I will ask them again about the outcome.

Just as an FYI for me, I'll check out all the links provided this evening when I am at home.

Thank you for all the kind words and support, everyone. It really means alot to me.

Since Delphi Ote is our cheerleader, I vote to have him wear a skirt and ponytails. Wouldn't we all like to see that?

[Gr8wight]

tsg is 100% correct. Pointing out Carla Baron's alleged previous work in soft core porn films is one of two things. If correct, it is an ad hominem attack, and has no bearing on her current career activities. If incorrect, and there is another Carla Baron, it is potentially slander. I would avoid mentioning it to anyone for any reason.

[ChristineR]

Ah, but if it is the same woman, it does have bearing on her current career activities. Not the nudity, but she is still acting in the supernatural genre. She is using her acting talents to advertise herself as a psychic, and vice versa.

[Luke T.]

Okay, Kelly. I have written an article about the dialogue between Dawn and the psychics. Emailed to you.

I looked up some stuff on the murder of her friend which I put in the article, but I will need Dawn to verify I got the facts straight.

Thanks!

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Luke T.

Okay, Kelly. I have written an article about the dialogue between Dawn and the psychics. Emailed to you.

I looked up some stuff on the murder of her friend which I put in the article, but I will need Dawn to verify I got the facts straight.

Thanks!

The email is on its way to Dawn to proof. Thanks, Luke T. Your writings are superb, as always.

[Jon.]

I don't know if this has been mentioned on the forum yet or not, but here in Vancouver a young fellow (Graham McMynn) was kidnapped a couple of weeks ago. He was found, confined by his kidnappers but safe and not very badly hurt, by the police yesterday. AFAIK, no psychics were involved.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Jon.

I don't know if this has been mentioned on the forum yet or not, but here in Vancouver a young fellow (Graham McMynn) was kidnapped a couple of weeks ago. He was found, confined by his kidnappers but safe and not very badly hurt, by the police yesterday. AFAIK, no psychics were involved.

Amazing on both counts:

No Psychics

He wasn't killed

I don't hear as much about the Canadian cases since we just work in the US, but there are so many that it's impossible to know about all of them.

[RSLancastr]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

FYI: The psychicpredators.com site should be going up next week sometime, probably more towards the latter part.

That's great news! I look forward to seeing it.

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I came across this post from a family member of a missing person. It was on a little-used private board on which I posted the link just in case. I'm glad I did. We've started a dialog now.

You continue to make a difference in people's lives, Kelly. Bravo!

[RSLancastr]

Yes, whether Carla Baron was a porn actress or not, it has no bearing on her "psychic abilities."

It's like the people who keep going on about John Edward's career as a ballroom dance instructor - so what? Is there some sort of "acceptable" career path for a psychic?

As has already been said, it is, at best, an ad hominem attack.

Kelly, if you wish to save this (assuming it is true) as a "last card" to use with families who would be offended by such a career choice, that's obviously your call. Just know that it has no skeptical/logical basis as a criticism.

[Mr. Stick]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I came across this post from a family member of a missing person. It was on a little-used private board on which I posted the link just in case. I'm glad I did. We've started a dialog now.

Originally Posted by KellyJ

FYI: The psychicpredators.com site should be going up next week sometime, probably more towards the latter part.

Congratulations, this is great news.

[Mr. Stick]

Originally Posted by tsg

I'm not trying to start a fight. Just my $0.02 and I'll shut up about it.

Whether or not Carla Baron used to be a soft-core porn star really shouldn't be an issue. It's no more than poisoning the well. While the morality of acting in adult films may be an issue for some, the focus should be on her actions as a psychic. Refute her claims of having "helped find" missing people because that's what's important. "Oh yeah, and she used to be a porn star" is just petty, in my opinion, and says nothing one way or the other about her abilities to find people. I'm not defending her as a psychic, mind you, but if the point is that psychics do more harm than good, then let's focus on the psychic aspect and less on previous work histories that don't have anything to do with it.

Okay, I'm off my soapbox. Rant over.

I second that. I can see how it could be an issue for some, especially in the US, but it's not really relevant. In some other countries it would never be an issue of interest. In my country we have a politician who participated in a number of porn (not soft-core, I can tell you!) movies in the seventies. She is now a member of both the Copenhagen city council and the national parliament, and though someone tried to use her former career to slander her at the last election, nobody really gave a damn.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

As has already been said, it is, at best, an ad hominem attack.

Kelly, if you wish to save this (assuming it is true) as a "last card" to use with families who would be offended by such a career choice, that's obviously your call. Just know that it has no skeptical/logical basis as a criticism.

I want to retire this issue after explaining the possible effect on a family member who has a certain Christian mindset.

Note to self: Don't post on this thread when low emotionally. It tends to reflect a lack of good judgement. Example: The jokes on the blog idea.

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I don't really care if Baron was a soft porn star or not. My level of respect for her was at the bottom before, so it can't go any lower. As mentioned, I would only use this info as a very last resort for a family who was considering using her "services". There are some Christians who would ignore that the bible clearly states we are not to delve into this type of thing our of desperation. They may not be able to ignore that, coupled with what they would most likely deem as a huge morals issue. They would not want to associate with someone who did that for a living.

If any of you read the 1st story that mentioned SBrowne, you may have wondered what relevance the following has:

"Thousands upon thousands are taken in by her deceptions. They buy her books, and they pay her for readings. They even pay $250 to join her "Christian church", which is an abomination to real Christianity, claiming that God is a woman who created God the man, reincarnation is real, there is no such thing as sin or hell, and Jesus ran off to France with Mary Magdelene, having never died on the cross."

A person who is Christian should be able to read the above statement and see that Browne's "church" is not Christian at all, as she claims. None of the above bolded statements has relevance in Christian theology. It's simply Browne's made up religion. A learned Christian would see this as fraudulent. So, even if they chose to ignore the warnings not to delve into things paranormal, they might not be able to also ignore this claim. The two negatives may be enough for them to make the decision not to have anything to do with Browne.

Although it is not the same scenario as the Baron soft porn issue, Christians may have a hard time ignoring this. (See my quoted material above)

I doubt that it will come to pass that I feel the need to use that as a trump card with a family, especially if I do not know for sure it was the same woman. If I don't know for sure, I will not use it. It would not be professional to do so.

Thank you for all your comments/words of wisdom on that issue. I hope this makes sense. It's getting late and I'm running out of steam.

[RSLancastr]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

If any of you read the 1st story that mentioned SBrowne, you may have wondered what relevance the following has:

"Thousands upon thousands are taken in by her deceptions. They buy her books, and they pay her for readings. They even pay $250 to join her "Christian church", which is an abomination to real Christianity...

Yes, if I do end up putting together a StopKaz-style site about Browne, it will include a (small) section which examines her theology.

I will also include a section about her criminal conviction on investment fraud.

Neither of these things has any direct bearing on whether or not she really is psychic, but they do, as they say, "go to character," and might help in convincing some people that she is not legit.

So I understand your looking into the possible use of Carla's "acting resume'". I just wanted to make sure you weren't thinking of saying or implying something along the lines of "she was in porn, so how could she be psychic?"

Issue retired.

[Dr Adequate]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

A person who is Christian should be able to read the above statement and see that Browne's "church" is not Christian at all, as she claims. None of the above bolded statements has relevance in Christian theology. It's simply Browne's made up religion. A learned Christian would see this as fraudulent.

Well actually you don't have to be St Augustine to see a few problems with this.

It's not one of the subtler doctrinal errors, is it?

Now I'm not one for religious orthodoxy, as you know, and if the woman merely had, say, tendencies towards semi-Pelagianism, then we might cut her a little slack.

Barking lunacy, on the other hand, is fair game. Indeed, you might focus less on the heretical nature of her remarks and more on the fact that they show her to be OUT OF HER FREAKIN' TREE.

The origin of this nonsense is one Laurence Gardner, who wrote an incredibly stupid book called Bloodline of the Holy Grail.

His website

So much bogus scholarship ... arrgh ... the word "Messiah" means "crocodlie fat" ... the word "Grail" is Mesopotamian for "the nectar of supreme excellence" ...

And how did I know the Knights Templar would be involved in all this?

BECAUSE THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR ARE BEHIND EVERYTHING!

THEY'VE BEEN SECRETLY RUNNING THE WORLD EVER SINCE PHILIP THE FAIR HAD THEM BURNT AT THE STAKE IN 1314! BEING LITTLE HEAPS OF ASH IS ALL PART OF THE PLAN!

*****' idiot. If you guys ever want to burn him at the stake, I'll bring marshmallows.

[Dr Adequate]

[delphi_ote]

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9231/kt5jw.jpg

[elaine]

That is funny Dr. A.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...

Good job on today's entry, Luke T (but that goes without saying)

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Now I'm not one for religious orthodoxy, as you know, and if the woman merely had, say, tendencies towards semi-Pelagianism, then we might cut her a little slack.

Barking lunacy, on the other hand, is fair game. Indeed, you might focus less on the heretical nature of her remarks and more on the fact that they show her to be OUT OF HER FREAKIN' TREE.

The origin of this nonsense is one Laurence Gardner, who wrote an incredibly stupid book called Bloodline of the Holy Grail.

His website

So she stole it all from someone else? I should have known. Of course it would make sense as various heresies have come and gone throughout the ages, and some having stuck around, too.

It also reeks of the DaVinci Code to some extent. Yes, it's plain nuts.

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Neither of these things has any direct bearing on whether or not she really is psychic, but they do, as they say, "go to character," and might help in convincing some people that she is not legit.

So I understand your looking into the possible use of Carla's "acting resume'". I just wanted to make sure you weren't thinking of saying or implying something along the lines of "she was in porn, so how could she be psychic?"

Issue retired.

That's right. Just as there is no connection between Browne's religious beliefs and her psychic "powers", there is no connection between Baron's claimed abilities and her past.

As Elaine mentioned, be sure to check out Luke's entry on the blog today, and the transcript of Dawn and the psychics.

[RSLancastr]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

As Elaine mentioned, be sure to check out Luke's entry on the blog today, and the transcript of Dawn and the psychics.

I read as much of the transcript as I could stomach in one sitting.

I kept picturing them as a couple of teenage "Valley Girls."

[Luke T.]

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

I read as much of the transcript as I could stomach in one sitting.

I kept picturing them as a couple of teenage "Valley Girls."

When you read the transcript and imagine what it sounds like from the perspective of a believer who is missing a loved one, you can just imagine how chilling it must have sounded to hear that your loved one is tied up in an attic and the descriptions of her captors, and how the captors could see the remote viewing psychics and were glaring at them, and how the victim could see them. You can imagine how coldly, terrifyingly riveting it would be to an emotionally vulnerable person. And the pressure they would feel to rescue their loved one from the situation.

Bloodsucking vampires, these psychics.

[elaine]

Originally Posted by Luke T.

When you read the transcript and imagine what it sounds like from the perspective of a believer who is missing a loved one, you can just imagine how chilling it must have sounded to hear that your loved one is tied up in an attic and the descriptions of her captors, and how the captors could see the remote viewing psychics and were glaring at them, and how the victim could see them. You can imagine how coldly, terrifyingly riveting it would be to an emotionally vulnerable person. And the pressure they would feel to rescue their loved one from the situation.

Bloodsucking vampires, these psychics.

My roommate despises psychics. I thought about referring him to Kelly's blog, but I'm afraid his head would explode, and then I'd be stuck paying the mortgage by myself.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

I read as much of the transcript as I could stomach in one sitting.

I kept picturing them as a couple of teenage "Valley Girls."

Robert, you asked if we know how old these psychics are, and Dawn responded. She does not know how old Linda and Belle are, having never met them.

Kittiie, aka Tracy, is single, 37, lives in Syracuse, NY, has 3 children and 2 grandchildren. Her Yahoo profile states she is raising all of them.

[RSLancastr]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

Robert, you asked if we know how old these psychics are, and Dawn responded. She does not know how old Linda and Belle are, having never met them.

Kittiie, aka Tracy, is single, 37, lives in Syracuse, NY, has 3 children and 2 grandchildren. Her Yahoo profile states she is raising all of them.

All three of them seem to be in their teens, emotionally.

Edited to add: two grandchildren at 37? Yikes.

[Roadtoad]

Originally Posted by Luke T.

Bloodsucking vampires, these psychics.

Hey, hey, HEY! No slandering Vampires around here, dammit!

[Kelly]

Anyone want to register in another forum and (gently) challenge the "resident" psychic? He's always spouting off ridiculous stuff about his dreams and more.

I have a relationship with the forum owner, so it would be better coming from someone unknown/unrelated to me.

His name is "Rocky" and you can find him on this thread:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37076

Unfortunately, the subforum where this is posted is private. Only registered members can see it. This is what he said on this post:

"if any of you had a clue how real the images are...

the problem is, when you get a vision, is finding a way to make sense of it.

I told law enforcement the kids were in Montana...

they said I said I was friggen crazy and hung up the phone.

When news came out they were in Montana the whole time, all I could do is sigh, but for the bonehead at the FBI that slammed the phone in my ear...

you should have listened....

If you would have listened, both children would have been found alive."

Yeh, right, Rocky. Montana is a huge state.

Edited to add a thread in which Rocky was dead wrong, but never came back to admit it:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=rocky

[elaine]

I thought about it, but I'm better at playing bad cop. Tact, not my gift.

[meg]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

Anyone want to register in another forum and (gently) challenge the "resident" psychic? He's always spouting off ridiculous stuff about his dreams and more.

I have a relationship with the forum owner, so it would be better coming from someone unknown/unrelated to me.

His name is "Rocky" and you can find him on this thread:...

Well, I tried, Kelly. But my registration "did not meet our membership requirements", so it was deleted. I've written to ask why.

Meg

[Kelly]

Thanks for trying. Let me know if they respond to you and what they have to say.

[Kelly]

I'm getting a few blog hits from this forum. Does anyone know anything about them? Thanks.

http://badpsychic.proboards53.com/index.cgi

[ImaginalDisc]

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I'm getting a few blog hits from this forum. Does anyone know anything about them? Thanks.

http://badpsychic.proboards53.com/index.cgi

Dang, it won't me register with a free email.

Oh, I meant the other forum.